wavefunction: nope because I only have a 802.11n card

for a reason, I could have gotten an ac card but why would I when it wasn't supported at the time :P

and also I do not plan to use iwlwifi

802.11n is fast enough for basic things, and if I wanted better internet I would plug in an ethernet cable

you know with ac you can do like a gigabit over wifi?

I dont even have gigabit internet haha

the only benefit would be if I was downloading/uploading a lot to my local servers

I do (normally)

well then, have you tried an ethernet cable?

much more reliable

yes

its a moot point at home, my office is the far end of a mesh bridge

I have also concluded that wifi repeating/relays and meshes are ewaste

nope, mine is great. Spend more money

only way to have decent wifi is to have an AP directly attached via ethernet proferably in every room :)

even the the fritzbox one I'm using now is pretty good

[tj]: not when you live in London and there is about 20 different ssids, all with their own meshes (multiple APs) in your area

and also UK houses tend to have thickkkk brick

I swear that the kitchen is lead lined, no wifi singles could get in and out

probably just a lathe and plaster wall

besides its fun drilling holes in the walls...

I can still do 500mbit on wifi in my home, in the uk

the landlord doesn't agree

but they dont know or ask :)

[tj]: lucky you, I have vDSL so yeah

gotta pick where you live

I pick that over the faster gigabit capable virgin media service because virgin media goes down as often as shit breaks on freebsd

and not in the big red bit on the internet coverage map

you are in london just use gigabit 5G

I want stable, low latency internet

vDSL, despite all the hate it gets, provides that

5G is for controlling robots

5G is less reliable than virgin media

and the only decent 5G provider is EE

also more speed is not always required, my line sits idle most of the day

move house :D

orrr

maybe I am fine with what I have>?

Openreach replaced the cable about 8 months ago because the old one from the pre-openreach days was so old it was powder...

Openreach came out the next day too...

When Kelly turns up, you're fucked

when openreach turns up, you are in safe hands

also Openreach will have fibre to my area by 2026

by the end of 2026 :)

it may be asymmetric and more expensive than the competition, but it is something :P

although I dont know if I want to get rid of my vDSL now, it has grown on me a lot :c

I might actually miss it when I get fibre coverage

OR are pushing getting rid of their copper infrastructure, they want to be out of the telephony business

BinGOs: well they want to digitalise it

but the whole system has been made obsolete by voip pretty much

and integrating calls in with other platforms

people rarely whip out their phone and dial a number anymore

Ugh...

wpa_supplicant: ioctl[SOICS80211, op=20, val=3, arg_len=7]: Can't assign requested address

weird left it about 2-3 mins and wifi works now...

it keeps erroring out on boot though :/

drm borked let me fix that first

and turn the tx power down, so they don't interfere with each other. And go for the highest possible RF band, so the walls really do block. Remind me... why not just used wired?

mason: there is no FreeBSD-kmods in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf

jgh: I want to but in lazy... when I get a chance I will setup lagg to use wifi as a failover iface

then I will run ethernet from the switch to my desk

ll -rt

wrong window, as always

ls

oops

sorry

xD

how come everyone has done that...

I guess its what happens when a sysadmin uses too much IRC :P

hmmm

FreeBSD 14.3-RELEASE doesnt seem to work

drm-kmod is broken

iwn/wpa_supplicant is buggy

ugh

holddd up I forgot to finish the install, its only partial

(this is why you dont sleep mid-update folks!)

isn't it just that the packages haven't been built for 14.3 yet?

duncan: they have been, they're in the new FreeBSD-kmods repo which should be added to /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf automatically when you do the /etc merge

duncan: I compiled from src anyways

ivy: helps if I finished the install lol

although its been installing updates for 1 hr now... I know I use a HDD but geez

how big is this version

ok I see the repo has been merged in which is cool

wifi still fucked though

right where are the freebsd wifi guys again?

they have an IRC channel somewhere...

polarian: you are in it still, in efnet/#freebsd-wifi

:p

ketas: ahhh efnet

ok thx

I cant keep track of all the networks my bouncer is in

it's esp. fun since you are still there

hah

What is the FBSD replacement for sar?

mns: what is sar?

based on the Linux manual page, you may be looking for vmstat, iostat or systat

I like how ketas has to tell me where my bouncer it xD

sar == system activity reporter, used to be available on most Unix systems

you would have thought I would keep track of this stuff

mns: as ivy pointed out there is numerous tools

is there something specific you are trying to monitor

top is best for cpu, iostat I would say is the best for io activity (breaks down each dev) and you can use systat with the -ifstat flag to monitor network

cpu/memory/swap/ARC (if you are using zfs) for top sorry

ooo sar is a lot more advanced than that...

polarian: not something specific yet. Just trying to setup a reporting system. I'm noticing that recently my SSH connectivity is slow. Takes about 24-27 seconds from outside my network to get a login prompt when it used to be about 2-3 seconds.

according to a quick google, there is sysutils/bsdsar

oh wait... that is gone :P

ignore that comment

man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=s…ion=0&manpath=SunOS+5.8&format=html there is a man page entry for sar...

that's for SunOS 5.8

ahhh I am blind haha

thanks for pointing that one out :P

i bet you could find bsdsar src but

did it go EOL or something?

I was thinking there might be something in base. I'll check out the single purpose tools and see if I can cobble something together

depends what one needs

there's top, gstat, systat

geez bsdsar went EOL in 2013

systat -v 1, systat -if -s mbit 1 -m 'em*,vlan[3-79]*,tun*'

eg

but

man systat :P

I have htop already. systat might be close to what I want. Seems like FBSD has never had sar as part of base. The 1.0-RELEASE man pages don't have sar in them.

top -qaHSPs1

hmm ok

whats with all the flags lol

My unix history needs updating lol

is regular top without flags not good enough for you ketas?

zpool iostat -v 1, sockstat -46

no

i mean ton of stat utils

around

atop as well

although its GPL

there is btop as well

netstat -n -b -f link -i

so you wanted tops?

btop does some fancy screen ui

:p

for network traffic counts there's vnstat

cant systat do like... everything though (according to the man page)

ketas: me? nope. I have htop already, always running. I wanted something that would report on system activity like sar does and then I can put it in a cronjob and get regular activity reports.

polarian: systat, based on the man page, seems to be the closest to what I want at the moment

but what did sar even report?

esp. regularly

ketas: sar was less reporting but monitoring/archiving of system statistics according to wikipedia :P

there's plenty of that too i think

graphs maybe? :)

but most of the time I see people do that with promethius and grafana

fancy web interface with fancy graphs

and I dont' need the fancy stuff

it would help to know what you want to do :)

i'm unsure if those are too big hammers

munin exists too

and

lessfancy

systat really should be improved to work on the larger, colour terminals we have today...

you dont like old school? D:

ivy: yes, make it look like btop

who's going to colorize it

who wrote gstat?

who wants to colourise it... it looks nice as it is :c

"appeared in FreeBSD 5"

I just want to monitor the system I have, a general monitoring of activity. Was looking at basic tools, and remembered sar from way back when in the early 90s. Don't really want to setup things like nagios or such as I don't need stuff like that.

munin is pretty fast to setup

sar is ok, but you need a sar viewier like ksar

hmm weird, using freebsd-update with -b flag with the path to the root of a jail to update to 14.3-RELEASE won't let me, as it is detecting the host is on 14.3-RELEASE

this used to work, or well I thought it did...

-j requires the jail to be running

oh well I will just do it with -j

polarian: Ah, was using freebsd-update here so I ended up with the updated /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf automatically here. Didn't know to explicitly refresh it, but when I did things worked.

mason: I didnt need to explicitly refresh it, I did the kernel update last night and forgot to the userspace update when I got up

so hence I only had half of 14.3-RELEASE installed

That sounds like an exciting state, certainly!

ivy, polarian: colors in POSIX tools need a UNIVERSAL OFF SWITCH. Half the time I install a Linux or create a login [let's say shared hosting even] the 'ls' is by default aliased to show colorization (and is nearly unusable), and nano uses colors unsuited for ANY background.... (must add -Ynone to make it go away, not always automatic like when 'EDITOR is implied and sudo is used) and it's **NUTS**. "Old School" is

BETTER, especially for old eyes.

shbrngdo: systat is not a POSIX tool

yeah ok. prob'ly who no insane colrizing

'why no insane colorizing'

i don't really know why just mentioning using colours causes everyone to react like i killed their cat, i'm not even planning to do this, i just suggested someone could

systat | lolcat

true. Well let's just say that add 20 years to your eye age and you realize that colors are too faded to read things and no background color makes it easier.

make the fonts bigger, old man

already do. It's not the size, ity'sthe contrast. color:color contrast does not work over 50.

I make it a point to have my zsh / whatever aliased appropriately and, when working on remote machines, do my best to not deal with color craziness

shbrngdo: since you mentioned GNU ls, i do agree that the default colours for ls in most Linux systems are extremely bad

ack - same here with new logins and new setups. 'unalias ls' is one of the first edits to ,bashrc etc.

that doesn't mean colours are bad, it just means GNU coreutils is bad

we knew coreutils is bad

it's hard to find a color set that is as readable sd pore black on white or white on bacl [though I dim the blue on white colors to avoid eye strain]

pure not pore - stupid keyuboard

colours are good when used to enhance readability, e.g. vim's default colour schemes are generally very good

they are not garish and you hardly even notice them, they just differentiate elements which would other look similar

I guess the summary is that SOME people's readability is enhanced, but for many others it's completely backwards.

'enhanced' = 'unreadable'

uutils.github.io ?

nxjoseph: you ever get battery working ? like a status on the dwm bar ? i got dwmblocks working but thats it

oxbar, i don't have a laptop so i don't know, never experienced

Dam.. do you have anything that says charged or charging in the bar or plugged in ?

Lots of ors lol

can you not just look on the side of the laptop and see if it's plugged in or not

oxbar, no, i don't have anything like that, never needed them cuz it's desktop

Thanks

rtprio, that may be make sense but battery level would be important

oxbar, you are welcome

interesting, a long captive smart test doesn't pick up errors that ZFS does

i was not expecting that

rtprio: it probably would do if you had checksums enables on the storage device, but that's never enabled by default and i'm not sure freebsd even supports it

checksums when i created the pool?

no, checksums when you formatted the storage device, you need a SCSI command to enable it which switches the device to use 520-byte sectors

(it's useless with ZFS since ZFS does its own checksums)

oh yeah, i sure did not do that

i just like to point this out since some people believe only zfs can detect on-device data corruption :-)

so do i toss it

yolo it

i don't think it's in warranty

i would not throw out a disk for a couple of checksum errors, those can occur for lots of reasons... cosmic rays, loose cable?

usb chassis :(

if you clear the errors and it happens again i would replace it, though

oh, if USB add controller firmware bugs :-)

it happened the last time i had it plugged in too; managed to copy things off of it so now it's vacant

i wish we supported UASP

that would make modern USB (10Gbps or faster) an awesome way to connect storage devices

on the subject of storage, does anyone know what the smartctl ports expects daily_status_smart_devices to be set to in /etc/periodic.conf?

IIRC UASP mattered at 480Mbps too, on linux it helped i mean

e.g. daily_status_smart_devices="/dev/ada0 /dev/ada1" or daily_status_smart_devices="ada0 ada1" or something else?

if my daemon binds to 2000 on localhost (127.0.0.1) can it also separately bind to 2000 on the public ip of the box?

There's nothing to stop that, no

you mean yes?

demido: Sorry, yes. It absolutely can

ok ty that's really powerful

every address, even local private ip, can have 65k ports

demido, Yes. You can either bind to the wildcard address * or you can bind to a specific address such as 127.0.0.1 or to a global scope IP address either IPv4 or IPv6. Binding to the loopback address is often done in order to guarantee that only local processes can access it as a security measure. And I recommend a firewall to prevent accidentally exposing something under development to the hostile Internet.

if my server binds to a localhost port, no firewall is needed to protect that since no external ip can communicate with localhost ip, right?

Right. No remote network can connect to the loopback network. Not directly anyway. Tunnels and VPNs connect around it explicitly.

tyvm guys

People with non-vnet jails often need to bind daemons to specific addresses when by default they would use * they must pick an alias address to keep separate from other services in other jails and on the host.

Generally though it is a PITA to have to map everything explicitly like that. It's one of the reasons for vnet jails which have a full network stack and can have daemons binding to * as they would normally but only effectively have a single IP that is assigned to that vnet device.

ya i just wish vnet jails had the mac port acl support

that'll be killer feature

demido: like per jail?

I don't know what mac port acl support means. You can have a separate independent set of PF rules for each VNET device. If that isn't powerful enough then I don't know what would be.

ketas ya

i needed to let each vnet jail bind to a <1025 port and the easy mac portacl method didn't work iirc

was a real drag. one of the only holes i found in vnet jails

as a workaround one can use jail allocated special uid/gid

it's still same kernel anywaya

but that like doesn't have any limits iirc if jail root is untrusted?

if that's issue

hell knows

who's going to implement it properly :/

i ended up using devd or some other hack. should just have mac portacl support added to vnet jails to make it nice for everyone

"mac portacl" where you restrict what mac addresses can access what ports?

wiki.freebsd.org/ThomasHurst/Caddy demido

i just needed to easily let a vnet jail bind to port under 1025

I'm advocating from a point if ignorance here, but it looks like there are settings that allow exactly that, per the caddy instructions?

I was thinking the exact same thing here.

hrm, i should move my caddy to a jail

ya it's been a while i gotta dig back in sometime

wavefunction: no it's the other mac

sadly

so many macs

Mandatory Access Control

as opposed to voluntary?

it doesn't mean anything

maybe if you live in enterprise or govt

didn't it came from there eh...

ketas: :(

Acronyms are awful.

AAA, great one

and it's noy triple alcoholics club...

not

while PCMCIA is always People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms

:p

Thing is, I hate acronyms *unless* you're doing a shorthand with someone who you've collaborated with long enough to know / share the references.

since security mac is often used around networking mac, it's hell

Every one of those acronyms is an abstraction, and the problem is computer folk keep poking leaks in those abstractions

it's a shortcut

The longest acronym is NIIOMTPLABOPARMBETZHELBETRABSBOMONIMONKONOTDTEKHSTROMONT with 56 letters (54 in Cyrillic

:)

at this point, it's secure password instead

isn't that a volcano in iceland

that's eyajallayökull or something

actually: Eyjafjallajökull

:p

funnily it's possible to learn them but

saying it properly is another thing

(the volcano)

full bg in man -P 'less -p "contri"' 9 mac

spawar sounds like splash battle in water park

for added confusion, there are ugidfw and mac_portacl manpages

who uses fbsd as wifi ap btw?

apparently noone, judging from support :p