so based on the very small number of examples i could find, i've configured dummynet like this (and it work with with wg): le-fay.org/tmp/7d/dnctl.txt - but i'm not entirely sure this is correct. what are q65537/q65538?

s/work/does work

pkg(8) can't really count, right? x0.at/lFe9.txt we'll be done anytime now, after our 25th 38/38 step... anytime now...

moviuro: there was extensive mail list thread on that

i recall

might as well take it out eh

if you can't predict it

i thought it was fixed, or at least it seemed to stop happening for me at some point

i just had that problem with fetch(1) on certain FTP servers...

limited debugging revealed that it was waiting for the completion of an "on download finished" callback

can't imagine pkg is too different

try running again with -d

I'll do that (add -d)

but nothing left to do now

hello folks! Any idea why "pkg" would claim a package doesn't exist when called with "-r" but succeed for the same package without? dpaste.org/sgsCW

ok, found I need to "pkg -r /path/ update -f" there too – the index is also taken from that path, even though the man page only talks about writing into it

Why do people praise FreeBSD for 'stability'? What makes it so much more stable? Genuine non-troll question here, I'm a linux user tinkering with FreeBSD because I enjoy trying new things (how I came to linux years ago). Anyway, I keep reading about how stable and 'rock solid' FreeBSD is, but I don't think I've ever had issues with my linux servers

due to software stability. I am a hobbyist, and to be entirely honest my home power grid (in the US) is flakier than any installation of linux I've ever had.

xgpt: i wouldn't pay any attention to those stereotypes, a lot of them are just 'received wisdom' from 30 years ago that people keep repeating because it's what other people say

there's truth to that actually

Truth. I was reading the handbook and it even had many tropes. To include "it's all open source which makes it so much more tinkerable than 'major commercial operating systems' " (not exact quote) which is true of *all* non-Win non-Mac OS in the home user space at this point. I don't think FreeBSD is more free for a hobbyist than Ubuntu. It's more

free for a company wanting to redistribute without opening it up and sharing because BSDvGPL. (I release stuff under MIT sometimes because that's what's preferred in that community)

ketas: ymmv, i don't personally find freebsd any more (or less) stable than say, RHEL. maybe it depends on your use case, but then it's even more ymmv

I'm just curious what keeps home users using BSD or if I'm just wasting my time. I 10000% see the appeal for commercial entities that may not want to contribute back the things that make their own products stand out, or risk infecting/tainting their own stuff with GPL licensing

(actually i find it a bit less stable but that's because i run 15.0 everywhere :-) so that's not a fair comparison)

I guess my home use case has been running various docker containers on an intel NUC and doing some storage stuff. I'm thinking about home-building a NAS and might want to do ZFS

ivy , that's a deeply unfair comparison. That's like saying debian is unstable because you run Sid. they're both by definition beta

that's literally what i just said?

I was just agreeing with you ivy

personally i prefer freebsd because it's smaller and simpler, both software-wise and when it comes to community

sorry I see my tone might have been confrontational, it was not. was restating to agree not disagree

i've used alpine linux for the same reason, but am thinking about transitioning those alpine servers to freebsd

(also because i've always used BSD of some sort, so there's a bit of inertia there too)

Some of it comes from principle of least astonishment (POLA), stuff shouldn't change for no reason and even if stuff internally changes the interfaces should only change if it is nessesary, not just because some implementation detail changed

the just getting things done approach is much higher in linux

I saw a video of freebsd being updated to the then-current from some ancient version on purpose for the sake of it

like, if i find a bug in freebsd or something i want to improve, i know where the source code is (because it's all in the same repository) and it's easy to edit and submit fixes, and to get help from developers if it's something i can't fix myself

that affects things

agreed. I chose alpine for some cloud hosted VMs and think I want to transition to either openbsd or freebsd for the same reason I'm running Arch linux at home

Arch is a POLA type distro I think, they really value not randomly breaking stuff without announcing it I think. Or maybe I've just been lucky?

But I'd like to transition to an even-more-stable rolling-ish distro? Something I can just install once, and know I can always upgrade?

xgpt: with freebsd you get a stable base and a "rolling release" for everything you get from ports. that's what I like about it and it makes sure my system is always stable

like if I'm running 13.x I can doing point releases all the way up to 14.2 right?

sorry, point release upgrades

getz: wait until base starts rolling as well?

:p

yeah you can skip releases, openbsd requires you to go 7.2->7.3->7.4 and so on

ketas: no did i say that? :o

in theory you can upgrade from any supported release to the current release, but there's a catch with 13.x specifically which is that you have to be on the latest patch first to get a freebsd-update bug fix

but aside from that there's no need to upgrade one minor release at a time

i'm afraid eventually fbsd could be as bad as linux distros maybe

but who knows

that wouldnt make much sense

Why do you think it would be getting worse ketas ? Also which BSD is most likely to remain stable through releases?

why?

I'm wondering if I'd be better served switching to rocky linux or freebsd at this point

like if you have to implement things faster

I'm just sick of the idea of having to re-install stuff on servers

we already have a rolling release base, that's basically what -stable is :-)

xgpt: freebsd obviously you're in #freebsd :D

lol, yeah yeah getz lol

who knows what that'll bring

yeah. Guess I'll just have to do more research

stable, old, not much hw support

How long does it take for someone to notice a documentation 'bug' around here? is there a way to champion a cause and just submit a patch for website stuff?

ketas , stable old?

wait, what doesn't have much HW support?

as arch doesn't develop their own base tools, it is hard to have a pola policy, like they switched from net-tools to iproute2 at some point so there wasn't an ifconfig command anymore

i didn't meant that stable

more like stability stable

nimaje , isn't that them just moving to a more systemd based system?

linux is damn confusing i recall

(systemd isn't actually something I personally hate lol)

do you know how to check if nic has link?

:p

ketas , bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=285517 << I just submitted this bug because FreeBSD makes a lot of assumed knowledge

I still don't really have an answer to it

hmm

i don't know

what ci is

i wondered myself i recall

kevans: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=282605 might be relevant to your interests

oh, in response to a problem I'm having, not one that I can fix. phew =D

ivy: it is being worked on

kevans: yeah, for once :-d

[tj]: i know, i was just sending kevans the link since he was asking about it on net@

ah

too many places to have conversations

I will 100% apply this ASAP

I'm hitting this maybe twice a day, and between this and iwlwifi my laptop is incredibly unpredictable

yesterday I hit this, then iwlwifi decided it'd panic on boot for the next 10 minutes right as I was starting a meeting

iwlwifi might be the trigger

kevans: you can try: shop.pimoroni.com/products/adafruit…lipoly-charger-v1?variant=351777251

you can try: D49259

you might need to assembly a correctly named firmware file though, there is a fw port update in review

mmm

reviews.freebsd.org/D49403 perhaps? which seems to have been committed now, good enough for me

yeah that'll do it

bz is quick

I was going to complain about the port not being NO_ARCH, but I guess if there's an actual kmod somewhere in there

it is because of linuxkpi

but there isn't a kmod in this port so we can change that once someone complains

please find me a riscv board with working pcie

the deep computing board next to me doesn't have a slot for a wifi

i should learn how this svcj stuff works

tj: I have a JH7110 running main + Phab reviews.freebsd.org/D47919

xhci controller @ pcie on this board works

though, I have never plugged in anything into pcie port on my VisionFive 2

Hi, I have a freebsd libvirt vm which I intend to use only as a console (no X or wayland), I have enabled moused, but the mouse cursor is stuck in the middle of the screen, the vm have both a ps/2 mouse and tablet component, any help would be really appreciated

I have a Sapphire Rapids workstation but the bootloader crashes on 14.2, but 15.0-CURRENT snapshots seem to work fine. I guess it's too new hardware. To what extent is the upcoming 14.3 related to the work in that branch?

(14.2-STABLE also exhibits the same problem, however)

why not use 15

that would be a big rabbit hole in terms of binary updates to base and then migrating to RELEASE