GoSox: I often compare GhostBSD and NomadBSD thus: The former is an organisation; the project does their own package building, so many packages installed (and available) are built with different options than the official FreeBSD packages.

NomadBSD on the other hand is, at the end of the day, a standard FreeBSD installation and uses standard FreeBSD packages.

what IS NomadBSD, i've never heard of that

interesting

GhostBSD defaults (I think) to mate desktop. Nomad is a bit more light-weight, don't remember what the desktop/window manager is.

But either way you can of course install whatever you want.

i'm trying to quickly figure out whats going to be the best version for me to run, but under teh pressure of my current server slowly dying but that could turn into quickly dying any moment

Lets see if I have this bectl thing figured out now

so the other day when i did a fresh install of straight up freebsd 14.1, i had to go through a bunch of steps just to even set up sudo so i could then run pkg commands. Is that the way it always is, none of that is set up "out of the box"?

GoSox: yup, its a bit like an arch linux install in that respect. su ships in the box, so root is just a password away.

GoSox: Well on your first login after install, it's kinda expected you're root or can "su -" to become root. Then pkg install sudo, configure it (uncomment a single line in the sudoers file), and you're done.

But yes, there are going to be steps to take. If you need a "server with a GUI", Nomad might not be the worst option.

anyone know why the qbittorrent package doesn't offer the web frontend on FreeBSD like it does on Linux?

don't say it... "FreeBSD != Linux" ..... Just don't

sponix2ipfw use nox flavor.

sponix2ipfw: webfrontend ?

nox flavor for qbittorrent provide web UI version

aaah

devnull: Yeah, I just got the qbitorrent-nox installed. question is, can I run them both at the same time -- to have both the Desktop GUI, and the WebUI session going?

I will try to find out soon enough

is there a way i can edit my sudoers file using nano instead of vi because i'm not a psychopath, therefore i want to use nano instead

GoSox: as root "nano /usr/local/etc/sudoers"

omg installing KDE wants to install 855 other packages

GoSox: words of wisdom, if you are doing kde. stick with "pkg install kde5" right now as kde6 is a hot mess at the moment

oh i didn't know 6 was an option, i am doing 5

Yeah, the handbook is only showing 5 as an option for a reason right now in my humble opinion

I can tell you 5.27.11 is working perfectly for me though

yup thats where i'm looking

i need to start sampling these GUIs and find one i like

i want one that looks like Haiku/BeOS

that would be fun

the xfce works well also

Those are the only two I've really tried so far

how is it that pkg installs first, then extracts? That seems like the opposite order for how you would install something

lol

That's the problems with verbs like "install". It's just telling you it's going to install that package.

i.e.: in that context it's more akin to "here we go!"

hmm

weird

So the guide says to add the following to my rc.conf file:

# sysrc dbus_enable="YES"

but.... isn't that commented out? am I supposed to add that without the comment, or with it?

you run that as root without the leadin #

leading #

its a command?

in the guide they often show the # meaning the root user prompt, and % meaning the regular user prompt

that is some weird wording in the handbook 8.2.1.3

letting you know if you should be root, or the regular user to run it

the way they describe it makes it sound like you need to add that line to /etc/rc.conf

GoSox: so you just run: sysrc dbus_enable="YES" as the root user

GoSox: running that command will actually put it in /etc/rc.conf for you

GoSox: Here's a tip: set the $EDITOR env variable to nano, and all edit commands like 'visudo', 'vipw', 'crontab -e' etc will use nano instead of vi

vkarlsen: sounds good to me! how do i do that though?

vkarlsen: Fedora actually has an /etc/environment file where you can put EDITOR=vim in there. In FreeBSD you have to do it in like .profile or something per user ?

GoSox: Put it in your shell's rc file. Which one: depends on your shell. The syntax: depends on your shell :)

SponiX: Do they patch all the shells to read from /etc/environment?

vkarlsen: I'm not entirely sure. But likely not, probably just the bash default. If I remember when back on my Fedora system though, I will put something in there and see if fish shell picks up on it ;)

hmmm so i followed the steps in the handbook to use KDE plasma but like, nothings happening

when i reboot, no gui. if i type startx, 'not found'

GoSox: just gotta ask, did you do the X11 section 1st, before the KDE section?

and what GPU are you on?

i don't see an x11 section?

i did the KDE part of that page

alsoooooo its a 2012 mac mini so i think the GPU is an intel 4000

or intel 5000 maybe

you need x11 installed, and the proper FreeBSD kernel modules active, before the Desktop Environment is gonna work

ok

geez this is a lot, now i understand why i was going with ghostBSD back a year ago when i started looking in ot this

I have prior experience to similar with Slackware Linux for about a decade or so, starting back in 1995

my experience is with Macs since about 1992

And over 30+ years of Linux experience in general. So this transition wasn't too rough for me

If you want to get up and going with a GUI quick, GhostBSD doesn't seem like a bad option

in fact i was just setting up a web server on my home server (mac) last night. And it was a pain because the OS installs its own apache but the package managers installs another apache automatically with php

yeah ill see how this goes, if this works, then i can repeat this. if it doesn't work, i might just start over with ghost

hey look at that, i rebooted and now I see a gui

isn't that neat

SCORE !!

it kind of makes me wonder

why not include one or two GUIs with the official freebsd so you can install and be ready to go

lol

there is a LOT of FreeBSD run as headless server only installs

ok not so fast. When I try to log in, i get a black screen, then it throws me back to the login screen

the GUI login screen

BUT, adding an option for a display manager and Desktop Environment would be nice

GoSox: make sure you are choosing "Plasma X11" and not "Plasma Wayland"

how do I "choose" one over the other?

And that you also have the right kernel level driver going

and it does say wayland

oh i see its a menu

:D

There should be a little option drop down box somewhere

ok im in

so which GUI does ghostbsd come with?

MATE is the official and default DE

and there is a community driven xfce option

actually the more i poke around with KDE, the more acceptable it seems

I ran xfce for like over 20 years or so. And just switched to KDE recently. It annoys me the least of any DE out of the box

I agree with that, SponiX

I just put the launcher/task_switcher/panel on the left, set it to dark mode, and off I go

The only issue I had with switching to KDE was the file indexer that ate a lot of resources until I figured out what was going on

I'm about to crash out

so, in KDE, where might one find a web browser, and a terminal?

vkarlsen: I had that try to run inside my xfce session and it crashed. So pretty sure I just have that startup service disabled right now

GoSox: "konsole" under "system" in the menu is the terminal

GoSox: and you can run firefox chomium or others as your browser

none of them come pre-installed, you need to like "pkg install firefox" and so on

gotcha

before you get too caried away, you might want to "freebsd-update fetch install" as root -- to get up to patch level 6 - for security purposes

which browser do you guys use on bsd? keep in mind ill be using firefox no matter what your answer is, i'm just curious if chrome on bsd is as idsliked as it is on more mainstream platforms

It will also create a BE/snapshot for you, so you have an ability to roll back if you jack something up badly

GoSox: actually "linux-chrome" crashes for me on bare metal when I try to login as my Google user. odd too, because on Linux withing my FreeBSD vm it worked just fine

about 25 years ago, i installed i think it was NetBSD on a super old 68040 CPU'd classic Mac

GoSox: I am running chromium, and don't even have firefox installed

GoSox: I use Firefox

nice

I think I should get excited guys. I'm about to be on FreeBSD-CURRENT lol

I haven't built world and kernel since like 2001 or so

KDE does seem a bit more windows-ish than i'd like but i think i can deal

Remember it's make buildworld now, not make world :)

GoSox: Yeah, out of the box it is very Windows 10 look and feel

vkarlsen: Yeah, I just finished buildworld, getting ready to start the kernel

>>> World build completed on Mon Nov 25 03:08:13 CST 2024

>>> World built in 2720 seconds, ncpu: 32, make -j28

Ok I have a question. Its purely hypothetical because I am not doing this. But I'm curious if it's possible:

could you run a single freebsd machine, with lets say 3 monitors, 3 keyboards, and 3 mice. And group them someone into 3 groups, so that three people could log in and use the computer as if they were using three different machines, but having them all actually be one single computer?

GoSox: you watch LTT? "Linux Tech Tips" ?

nope

never heard of it

Is anyone aware of work being done to support AMD XDNA ?

Oh, well they do that kind of virtualization from "Unraid" -- where they have pass through GPUs to vms, and multiple folks game off the same system

hah

cp-: I'm not even familiar with the term

you have to set up VMs though, it can't work "native"?

GoSox: Not that I am aware, but I am really just getting started with modern FreeBSD

NPU support for AMD processors

this was an idea i had like 15 or maybe more years ago, when I ran a restuarant menu website. all data entry done via web iterface. and I thought, hmmm if this gets popular and I need to pay people to help, I wonder if we could use one big machine with multiple users at once

its moot now because 10+ year old computers are basically free and they can run modern browsers just fine. but way back then that wasn't the case

GoSox: well Unix-like Operating systems are multi-user to the core. And X11 can do multiple sessions with different users

GoSox: I've not done this though. But I do know it is possible

>>> Kernel build for GENERIC completed on Mon Nov 25 03:24:39 CST 2024

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>>> Kernel(s) GENERIC built in 160 seconds, ncpu: 32, make -j28

lol ... just built the kernel in 160 seconds

Nice

time for a reboot to the new kernel, so I can get the userland in sync after

Oh the joys

so does KDE have any "gui" for pkg so you can see whats installed etc?

actually nevermind, i need to go to bed, i'm giving up for the night

i made some solid progress though

next time, i need to make a list of the things I need to try settings up and see how it goes. mainly, apache/php/mariadb, but also firewall settings, mail server and some other stuff

well, glad I installed irssi

the build and install of world and kernel went okay

but even after a rebuild of drm-61-kmod... I have no GUI. when I try to load the amdgpu kernel driver it kernel panics

i tried the iwlwifi driver and got better performance than i do with iwm, is there a way to make the installer default to iwlwifi?

i have intel 3168 wifi and the iwm driver is very slow and 5ghz doesnt work on it either

but iwlwifi seems to solve the first problem at least

i was hoping the latest 14.2 image would default to iwlwifi in the installer but it does not

Can't find a pkg-ready public-inbox in FreeBSD.

The homepage (public-inbox.org) mentions FreeBSD in file INSTALL.

So I wonder if anyone knows anything. I can't find it in ports either.

dansa: I think that paragraph refers to its dependencies. The second paragraph lists the OSes that have it packaged; Debian, GNU Guix, NixOS, and Void Linux

vkarlsen: thanks for teaching me how to read!

dansa: Happy to help :D