The other thing I would try is booting the freebsd installer image. It's a freebsd kernel. See if it whines for you?

Booting nomad now...

didnt try that yet

after a bit of uptime it's less loud at least?

perhaps its powerd++

I can hear something at what I would call a quiet level. Note that I am sitting between a couple of other machines with fans. If I were in a dead quiet room I am sure I would notice this electrical noise more clearly.

wakeup displays graphics here btw

I can't tell if it is correlated to updating the display or the USB. I have to put my ear down to the keyboard to hear it. It's just electrical circuit noise that I am hearing.

when nomad gui is up and i hover over the buttons in the top right that makes a noise

That hovering around there does not make any noise for me.

Tried suspend from the menu but it doesn't do anything here.

And I am past my time. Must run. I am late! TTYL!

thanks anyway!

lmao. it really is the usb stick ><

amazing

dd if=/dev/da0 of=/dev/null makes it chirp

Hello - is there any solution for managing virtual machines on a freebsd bhyve host through web interfaces ? Similar to Cockpit (cockpit-project.org ) or proxmox.com ---- The only thing I tried few years ago that had big promise was clonos.convectix.com (which is cbsd based) ---- I wonder if there is anything similar - a web interface to a bhyve host...

Google found me that.

CrtxReavr, Thanks, I have found that, but it seem a proprietary solution...I am looking for something open source....

There's this in ports: freshports.org/sysutils/cbsd

yes - cbsd is command line interface... pretty good... few years ago I tried it on its own, - one thing I could not find to do - was multiple storage --- clonos is the webinterface... but it does not seem to be adopted by freebsd at large.... I wonder how people run solutions on freebsd

i have a question for anyone who, in the context of IP routing, is familiar with the idea of a "loopback address" (i am not talking about 127.0.0.1): on a FreeBSD which is a BGP speaker, if it has only one interface, do you think it's better to configure an IPv4 loopback address on lo0 or on the Ethernet interface? i feel like configuring it on lo0 confuses some types of address selection like ping/traceroute

s/a FreeBSD/a FreeBSD system/

i recommend comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.* , IRCnet/EFnet

sup

are list.freebsd.* & mailing.freebsd.* not the same: you can post to some but not others, or only some are moderated?

also gmane.os.freebsd.* ?

how can i find what's keeping a pool or dataset busy? (/mnt/tmp during unattended bsdinstall)

test

leah2, It sounded to me like the noise from a buck-boost power supply. But very quiet here to my ears. Would be enough for me to be annoyed by. My old ears getting older but still mostly acceptable. With other computers with fans running in the same room.

*Would NOT be enough for me to be annoyed by. CORRECTED. It's just quiet electrical noise here.

how can i find what's keeping a pool or dataset busy? (/mnt/tmp during unattended bsdinstall)

fstat, if that doesn't work, sysutils/lsof

Sometimes I wonder if its bother emailing the freebsd mailing list...

actually its not as bad as I thought, only one post without response: lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2024-May/005269.html

possibly because nobody knows

it's because BSD is dying

also, people who can afford to live in London are rich and buy RHEL licenses

ivy: quit trolling

no

you quit trolling

I am not trolling tho

I am being dead serious

"beep" makes audio output from 1 of my boxes but not my other 1. how can i debug what's going wrong?

you posted some question about a hardware switch on some random specific model of laptop probably no one else has ever user

used

ah not in operator

it's a legitimite question but also you should really not expect an answer

also don't you believe in trickle-down answers?

someone with a better laptop has to ask the same question first

you guys shouldn't fight

you should work together to answer my questions and be happy

ivy: hey someone might have some old junk and say "oh yeah I know how to get this working"

who knows :)

kldstat includes speaker.ko, /etc/devfs.conf has own speaker root:operator \n perm speaker 0660, so what else can i do to get audio output working?

id l00py shows i'm in operator group

l00py: did you logout and login?

ya rebooted

Then I'm out of ideas

Maybe it's a HW issue or BIOS setting

:(

Always blaim it on the HW

how can i check that the audio volume is up?

The only way I know is 'mixer'

There's speaker device

ah i need to change the hw.snd.default_unit value from the default

rwp: yes there is a little actual coil whine, but the annoying noise was the usb stick itself

Nice to see you here leah2 :)

hey :)

ivy: "it's because BSD is dying" Rather, former Windows users are switching to Linux while former Linux users are switching to either BSD or Haiku, so the whole industry now suddenly cares about Linux, but not about BSD or Haiku.

Maybe in another 20 years or so when former Linux users who were former Windows users start switching to FreeBSD, the industry will suddenly care about FreeBSD.

rwp: installed 14.1 now, works fine, got drm-61-kmod for i915kms, console turns up after zzz. will install X later

As much as I'd love OpenBSD and NetBSD to get the love they deserve, NetBSD's current userbase is too tiny, and OpenBSD just doesn't cater to a general audience at all.

i like *BSD a lot, it works like a champ

besides, it's the underdog, so i naturally like it :D

well, the market for new computers is now largely laptops. this exacerbates disinterest from manufacturers.

As if you can't install any of the BSD's on laptops.

I run OpenBSD, NetBSD, and Linux on a variety of laptops. Only FreeBSD is somewhat troublesome due to it being so picky with WiFi drivers.

But when I replace the WLAN card in any laptop, FreeBSD suddenly works.

also the full disk encryption story is really nice, i didn't know before

Any Intel card works, Realtec pretty much never works. Fortunately, WLAN cards are super cheap.

remiliascarlet: old laptops, sure, but new ones frequently are broken e.g. UARTs, PCIe, power management.

Power management is already a pain in Linux.

they need love and care, that's all. it's not a technical problem. but let's not pretend it is working where it does not yet.

duncan: New laptops that are meant for consumers are broken by design, but that's nothing new.

Laptops meant for businesses are generally designed to last a lot longer.

Especially enterprise-grade laptops.

I mean, this applies to any laptop with thunderbolt as well. That subsystem does not really exist yet and without the associated power management, battery life is awful.

this goes back 8 years or more

yeah the fast modes arent supported :(

Atheros use to be the same brand...

Hello

leah2, It was the USB stick? Well that explains why I wasn't hearing it! :-) Good deal on your system being up and running! :-)

still wondering how that works physically

Probably internally has a buck-boost DC-DC converter to generate write voltage for the Flash NAND and it's just not potted as well as it should be. I don't know?

also happens for reading

i'll do some experiments later

No ideas from me. Some things remain as mysteries. (shrug)

Hello

Wassup

Hello mate!

Whats up guys?

Girls using FreeBSD? Very good.

meml0rz: any issues with FreeBSD ?

No why?

FreeBSD is awesome but if i load nvidia driver there some issues. I think because the GPU is fucking old

OK

misunderstanding. i mean i think there only few girls they interested in BSD but i dont want to attack someone.

There are definitely several women who frequent this channel. Understood that you did not mean to trip and fall with your foot in your mouth. :-)

JFTR but old machines have very cheap old AMD GPU cards available from eBay. And then the problem is solved!

yes i have a RX 6600 and a VEGA 56 but im scared to fry my GPUs because i did it with my SSD

You fried your SSD? How did that happen?

So i wait until my new MB and PSU arrive

rwp: I could tell you stories of parts I've destroyed....

i actually dont know why that happend. Connected my SSD to SATA and turned my PC on and ppssssst

yikes

sounds like a shoer

er short

yes

it was

I melted a microsd holder off a sbc most recenly

the smell of dead electronics

(just using the unit)

That sounds terrible. That sounds like a purely hardware related problem and not something to be blamed on software.

the smoke of the escaping bolts

haahaa

So thats why i want until my new components are arriving (i run this pc where i fried my SSD right now)

As we all know the magic smoke is what makes things work and once the magic smoke has left then there is no magic left to make the part work.

oog. *nods sagely*\

meml0rz: yep, it happens. I know a few running FBSD ;-)

i also know now some

also in discord

quite honestly, I'm new to freeBSD. I've been a Linux community contributor for ~30 years, but I wanted something simpler and some communities (not every) have become toxic

Also, let me ask a question. I'm mostly using FBSD on servers, but I'm trying as a desktop as a potential daily driver. I'm having an issue with veracrypt. I don't have the exact names as I'm on another computer now.

Long story short, by truss'ing the process, the weird message roots back on sudo saying that it's not running with 0 as effective uid

that is when I'm mounting a volume. If I run "sudo veracrypt ...." then it mounts it fine.

But that's not supposed to be the behaviour. If I run "sudo id" then I have id=0.

so.... wtf? Any idea? Maybe it's a FAQ

darknetgirl, I have been running FreeBSD as my main desktop since FreeBSD 12 and find it perfectly good *for me*. but for example I read "veracrypt" and I think, isn't that a Microsoft thing? Which should tell you that I don't know the corners and fringes of things that other people often want.

well, thanks for the honestly though. I'm freaking slow on everything. It took me a year of experiments to migrate back to Mint from MacOS, and I guess it'll take a while to migrate to FreeBSD.

I am also confused by "sudo veracrypt" works. Isn't that expected? And "sudo id" is id 0. Isn't that expected? I would need some help to understand the question.

I use veracrypt to exchange some data between platforms. I like that's a multi-platform thing. I have volumes I keep betweek FreeBSD/MacOS/Linux.

I also have a collection of what most people today would say are ancient 10 year old desktop equipment. I can run my desktop without regard to trying to run Steam FPS games upon it. Because I use a different computer entirely for gaming. On that other computer I have a Microsoft VM running and play games in that VM over there.

the thing is that if you use the commandline "veracrypt --mount volume ...." as a user, it should automatically call sudo as a subprocess. Which it actually do.

in theory, I shouldn't use sudo veracrypt

Okay. I think I understand your situation. But I don't know why either and I have never seen a command veracrypt. But I don't work even near Microsoft for a very long time now. Thankfully!

I wasn't planning for asking today, so I left the logs on the other partition (I'm dual booting Mint/BSD on my workstation)

Well, thanks anyway. Was worth asking :)

I understand. But here you are chatting and threw the question in the channel. That's standard operating procedure! :-)

lol

Hang around and someone else might have the answer and will jump in. People here often answer a question asked yesterday.

Ehi, in some Linux channels they would have been firing at me because I didn't have a sysreport and a full log trace readily available ;-)

darknetgirl: If you've been in the Linux world that long we've probably run across each other at some point lol....

I was known as Orac then though

Tenkawa, We might. I've worked for all the major distros.

ok, s/major/commercial/

Heh yeah I was in the Debian world back in the mid 90's

I worked "commercially" in Unix though

Linux has mostly been a hobby

Unix,DBs,Devel and Networking were my day job

I truly hope to find the same spiit here. Sounds like I'm an old woman, but I loved the initial spirit of the linux communities. Also worked for two commercial Unixes too. That put me in a museum

Haahaa I hear ya.. (ex NCR/ATT/Lucent geek here)

darknetgirl: you started with slackware?

FreeBSD on ARM is actually kinda fun finally... waiting for it to get better on RISC-V

Anyway, sometimes I feel frustrated that I can't debug in the same way I am able on Linux (like analyzing kernel traces), but also a chance to learn. Former IBM and Sun Micro here. Fucking miss that company (Sun).

la_mettrie I had no option but to start with slack. I started with Linux 0.99p.

darknetgirl: hey join freebsd-social... I got a good Sun story for you lol

ARM is finally at a stage, but I'd rather prefer RISC-V. it's getting better that as well.

FTR but I am climbing that same learning curve. Seems like everything can be done just fine but with a smaller BSD community doing it there are fewer blogs and articles documenting how these things should be done.

Yep! Sorry, I just rejoined irc after a good while. Fed up by social media.

rwp right! But it's also fun.

It is fun! And it's a journey not a destination. I expect it will be a continuing saga. Quite an enjoyable one.

rwp <3

I am starting to actively trying to branch out with the things I am doing with FreeBSD and on it. Because for some years now I have been doing the same thing each day. Which means I am comfortable with the things I do but I am not learning new things.

I am quite comfortable with jails but I am still trying to figure out bhyve. Getting comfortable with bhyve would have me switch my Linux KVM libvirt based system over for example.

rwp I know the feeling. I ditched MacOS for that reason.... re bhyve, I believe we are on the same journey.

 

I came here for the ZFS but then stayed for the OS. So fairly comfortable with ZFS things. ZFS pulled me through a dark time of a flaky power connector and I had zero data loss through it. Made me into a believer.

I was in Sun when ZFS was made /me hides

But for 10+ years I worked on OpenStack and Ceph, so I lost most of my knowledge about ZFS :(

1.) Veracrypt in FreeBSD use fuse (fusefs) - that's not very fast. 2.) Veracrypt needs security/sudo port to mount disk volumes. You must modify %%PREFIX%%/etc/sudoers file to add Veracrypt user(s). Don't use root user.

I have never fired up Ceph but as a user of Ceph it has been pretty amazing when it is set up correctly.

No Idea was "Don't use root user." means then ...

OpenStack and Ceph gave me fame, but I'd rather prefer simpler stack to debug.

the problem with Ceph is that is an amazing technology, but it might end up costing more if you don't plan in advance

I have been hesitating if I want to mention that I worked for HP and so spent a significant portion of my career using an HP-UX desktop. Just as a by the by...

rwp that is a great thing! Amazing!

Pauli1, How "that's not very fast" is not very fast there? I generally find fuse mounting fast enough. I try not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good enough.

Pauli1, my user is in %wheel and it should be in the same stuff as Linux. But this is my limit, I don't know what else to look for

re fast. They are some PDF and some documents. Nothing that need fast access.

Ah Okay.

I just need to keep some documents in an encrypted format that is compatible between multiple OSes.

Ah, I thought that was exactly the trick of Vercrypt.

But isn't it ...

oh what did i use in my ancient thinkpad

was it geli or vera

can't find out since I need that ancient charger

luke_jobless_sb: if it has a decently standard plug you can always look up the model number and use a diff wall-wart

(I have a bench supply and adapters just for this purpose)

Tenkawa: I had a 'universal' charger with set of short adapters to connect depends on the laptop. the one for thinkpad is gone somewhere

probably my cat.

oops

TIL that resolv_enable="YES" is set in /etc/defaults/rc.conf making the global system default to be dynamic /etc/resolv.conf handling.

If one wants a static configuration then one must set sysrc resolv_enable=NO to override it.

Overrides in the /etc/rc.conf file.

rwp: as if you are giving me a hint of my developement...

rwp: thank you

DNS related settings are not so easy for developement environment

*local development