Does anyone with experience of both 13.4 and 14.1 with a DE has preferences or suggestions for which to upgrade my laptop to from 13.3?

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i am not allowed to answer this question since i have not used 13.4, but i find sway is about the same on any OS

To be more specific: I'm mostly aiming for an uneventful upgrade (from 13.3). How do they compare in this respect?

you'll probably have less heartburn moving to 13.4

Thanks. 14.x can wait for a new laptop then, if and when mine starts dying.

wifibox seems interesting. four minipci cards later, I wish I had known about this

V_PauAmma_V, I held off upgrading my main desktop to 13.4 because I use the pkg radeonkms driver and 13.4 is compiled against 13.0 and the kernel abi changed triggering a kernel panic.

I then upgraded from 13.3 to 14.1 and the upgrade went simple without any problems. But...

In 14.1-RELEASE plus binary pkgs some combination of that plus firefox plus radeon graphics causes "chunkiness" to occur which never before occurred on this same hardware.

Not all the time but frequent system pauses for ~15 seconds is not uncommon. It's quite annoying. And I don't have a root cause.

I feel certain that if I returned to 13 that the frequent pauses would not occur. But then I would not have a pkg firefox to use with it. And the old firefox available for it is aging away now.

s/13.5/13.3/

V_PauAmma_V: dont forget you can create a snapshot (beadm) before upgrading.. and then you can roll back if something breaks

V_PauAmma_V: that is, if you are using zfs.

freebsd-update takes care of that, unless that changed recently. (And yes, ZFS root.)

V_PauAmma_V: i3 and dwm works fine for me

but any DE should work.. i dont see why it wouldnt

unless... you have alder lake 12th generation... i could not get wayland to run... but im not sure if its my mistake or it really does not work. In amd it worked fine

unless... you have alder lake 12th generation... i could not get wayland to run... but im not sure if its my mistake or it really does not work. *with radeon card* it worked fine

rwp: drm-kmod >5.15 ? See freebsd/drm-kmod #302#issuecomment-2318230263 and above

I bisected this down to the 5.11 tag with the new ttm allocator (where scatter gather for phys is no longer used)

meanwhile you can cherry pick freebsd/freebsd-src 84f46335ab5d and build 5.10-lts from drm-kmod git branch

to run 5.10 on 14.1 (current can 5.10-lts from git as is, I run it as a workaround with amdgpu)

iirc manu still didn't mfc 84f46335ab5d into stable/14 to unbreak 5.10-lts build

V_PauAmma_V: you might give Enlightenment a try. it's mature, creative and fun

V_PauAmma_V: Im running 13.x on my laptop and 14.x on my server and workstation. Havent had any issues. The server is running with a ARM Ampere Altra CPU and havent had any issues.

V_PauAmma_V: also =) have a look at Windowmaker, its very mature =)

and fun.

+1 windowmaker

the dockapps is a simple and clever feature. Managed to port the old battery monitor from the beginning of the 2000 to work on current version of FreeBSD.

heck FreeBSD is awesome.

FreeBSD is pretty much the best thing ever

I like the fact that things are stable, no urge f* shit up in the pursuit of the new shiny.

stable for sure. i like ports, zfs and clear documentation

do you daily drive freebsd?

ei, Sounds plausible to me. The description matches what I see pretty closely. I am not compiling or doing anything other than editing files and surfing with firefox when this occurs most of the time.

ei, Oh and you have a cherry-pick commit I could try! Thanks!

drobban, +1 for stability! I need the machine for me to do work. I don't need shiny fluff and glitter features which cause problems.

jauntyd: yes, both to run my business and on my dev-machine.

As to window manager, I have always loved fvwm for the simple and stable but I am currently running i3 tiling. It's a different mindset with a tiling manager. But it's been good for me.

And this is also my main desktop too. I am working using it every day for some years now.

rwp: I have keybindings to how a want a window to tile.

=)

I have to mention the awesome window manager because it is so awful. I ran it for way too long before I tried i3 and then I was sorry I had kept using awesome for so long. It's truly NOT awesome. Avoid. Avoid!

hahah

When I was using awesome-wm I felt like I was in this abusive relationship. But I just didn't realize it until I finally got out of it.

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err

i started using freebsd with i3 as a relatively random choice and i'm still running it today, too lazy to try anything else. it seems perfectly cromulent.

after getting the battery replaced in my laptop, my 2 usb ports no longer work for connecting my wired NIC

grrr

rwp: hahaha!! =D

dch: sounds like you had some bad luck while replacing your batteries.. what model/make are you running with

my boot mode is "UEFI", and my graphic card is navida geForce GTX 1050Ti, how to select xorg driver similar to "xf86-video-vesa"

vesa is BIOS extension, with UEFI (and no KMS), you would need framebuffer driver.

tsoome: can i install framebuffer driver with "pkg install framebuffer"

tsoome: what's different between framebuffer driver and "nvidia" driver? can you explain more , I install freebsd just one day, it's too difficult

xxy: do you explicitly want *not* to use the nvidia ?

I have a similar nvidia here, so my instructions should more or less match up if that's your path

drobban: its my old xps13

for driver spec you need to check out its documentation. Basics is that with framebuffer you have memory mapped screen area where you can write your pixel and get them on screen - this is without any hw acceleration. vesa is basically the same, but there are some extra features to make things faster. special card driver will allow you to use "full" power

tsoome: you words , i might digest for long times, now the problem is when i "startx" , it prompt server error" cannot run in framebuffer mode ,please specify busIDs or all framebuffer devices", i quess it ought to be you said " need install framebuffer driver"

tsoome: i don't know how to install framebuffer driver , and what's the exact framebuffer driver name "

dch: i need use nvidia exactly

xxy: cool let me get some notes together

xxy: can you paste a dmesg somewhere? /var/run/dmesg.boot so we can see what h/w was detected

I assume you have some packages installed

my list here is a bit longer but I think this is sufficient:

xf86-video-scfb xorg-minimal polkit xf86-input-evdev xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse dbus x11/nvidia-driver x11/nvidia-settings x11/nvidia-xconfig

and you need one of the graphics/nvidia-drm-*-kmod ports

the right one is h/w dependent

dch: i have installed nvidia driver with command " pkg install nvidia-driver",

ok then lets assume thats the right one

assuming you are now at root console in text mode

what happens when you try `kldload nvidia-modeset` ?

dch: it display 3 line " nvida0: ,,,,on vgapci0,

dch : it seems driver have be used

according to nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/210651/en-us your 1050 is supported so the graphics/nvidia-driver is indeed the right one

so basic config, I load driver via /etc/rc.conf, not /boot/loader.conf

in case of problems, I can boot to single-user mode and fix stuff manually

in `/etc/rc.conf` I have `kld_list="${kld_list} nvidia-modeset"`

thats it

dch: in my rc.conf, have a line " kld_list..", yes ,it already have

X11 is a bit trickier, I don't configure that much, I am still using a 10yo config

dch : i have setted in rc.conf like you paste above

di you have a basic .xinitrc ?

*do you ...

yes

ok does `startx &` do anything useful?

at least it should flicker and switch to console 7 or 9 or whatever

xxy: at the end of that there should be at least a /var/log/Xorg.0.log with any errors

dch: the error is " fatal server error : cannot run in framebuffer mode, please sepcify busIDS for all framebuffer devices"

xxy: ok to me this sounds like its already got a framebuffer driver loaded

can you post the full `dmesg` output, and the xorg log file please?

guessing is too hard

dch: i chat with you on another pc, it's hard to paste soon,, are you still here tomorrow ?

xxy: for sure. I know this pain of 2 pcs only too well

here's what I have in mine btw

dch: it's night , and the internet will shut down soon in my side, and my hex can't read offline message,

xxy: np, ping me eu morning I should be around, I can re-send any links you're missing

dch: if i can't resolve this problem , i will return here tomorrow, i hope you are still here , my location is in china, thank you !

np

dch : bye

ivy: just wanted to let you know that I got NymphCast to build & run successfully after compiling the other dependencies also with clang++. Had to pass in /usr/local/include & /usr/local/lib as search paths, but it's working now.

not sure why GCC is seemingly broken now, but I will be avoiding it on FreeBSD to make sure

dch: oooh. I had a XPS15. the battery on those dells is no fun. the swollen battery has completely killed something inside that computer

hi all! hopefully this isn't a stupid question but I have been unable to build weechat from ports for a few days and was wondering if anyone knew about it

it gets 20 errors and about 70 warnings before it stops

sorry, I got disconnected. but if anyone has any ideas please let me konw

gspbirel56: No access to my FBSD machine at the moment, do you mind posting the build log?

sorry my crystal ball broke recently and the offical builder seem to have no problem currently according to portsfallout.com/port?port=weechat&maintainer= , so I can't help you

TommyC definitely, one moment

and nimaje you have a crystal ball?

His crystall ball doesn't have a compiler, though.

GCB

GNU Crystal Ball

I have a spare crystal ball available but I think I need 100 usd to use it

let me know if you are interested and we can try to use it

here's the pastebin for my output pastebin.com/Tjc4fbcM

sorry, I couldn't get the bsd.to to work

but it seems like an issue with the v8 plugin

seems like weechat only supports old versions of v8 currently weechat/weechat #360

do you want js support in weechat for some reason?

trying to get a mellanox mce card going.

but getting status: no carrier (Cable is unplugged.)

but in dmesg mlx5_core0: INFO: mlx5_port_module_event:709:(pid 12): Module 0, status: plugged and enabled

nimaje no I don't, I didn't even know it had support for v8

is there a way to build weechat without that?

why did you enable that option then? it is off by default

the command I ran was "portmaster irc/weechat" and that's what I got

get it to open the option dialog again and disable the javascript option (no idea how to do that with portmaster)

make config

(and I would advise to use some tool like poudriere or synth to build a pkg-repo and install stuff only at the end, to reduce the amount of time where you are in a partially updated system state)

i have a hard time beliving that poudriere is worth the effort for a single system

well, synth is build for single system use cases, but never tried it

I'm unfamiliar with synth

I'll run make config on weechat and post back

thank you so much

is there a guide for building a repo for poudriere? I guess I should check the handbook

I mostly followed digitalocean.com/community/tutorial…e-packages-for-your-freebsd-servers to setup poudriere

(also in 20 years of updaing pports, i can count on one hand where just upgrading without some fancy build system caused problems)

I wouldn't even really care about a build system but portmaster makes it easy to upgrade all packages

thank you for the guide

ober: release(7) / the scripts in src/release

ober: specifically, that one will be with release.sh and release/arm64/ROCKPRO64.conf

ty

ei, In binary pkgs today I see that drm-61-kmod: 6.1.92 is upgrading and replacing drm-515-kmod: 5.15.160 along with drm-kmod-20220907_3. Is this already the fix for freebsd/drm-kmod #302#issuecomment-2318230263 flowing through?

THANK YOU for working to bisect this problem! I am going to install and reboot for it now. I haven't done that since last night yet.

ei, I am now rebooted running the drm-61-kmod: 6.1.92 pkg and will be hoping! :-)

Hullo, Could someone recommend a simple ipfw rule to allow one specific lan local IP address to have local LAN access only, with no internet access?

rtprio: what effort is poudriere?

more than ports-mgmt/portupgrade

Hi; does anyone know when it will be possible to passthrough just one USB device to bhyve guest?

imm_: join the waiting list :P

Do we have a club?

o/

It seems I will by one pcie controller also.

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