it's counting binary files too

Do you have a file name pattern to restrict to?

If this is source code you might want to use sloccount instead anyway.

nope

find . -name '*.[chyl]' -exec wc -l {} +

find . \( -name '*.txt' -o -name '*.html' \) -exec wc -l {} +

Just examples...

How would you differentiate between files you wish to count and files you do not wish to count? If you can state the recipe then almost certainly it can be done.

just need a text type included and other types ignored

so using file cmd to detect type?

sure, so find ... | xargs file, look at the output of that, see which ones you want

then pipe it to more things to search for that pattern

sum the wc -l of the paths returned by find . -type f -exec file {} \; grep -E 'ASCII text|UTF-8 text'

well, once you've got those file results, they each look like "/some/file/name: ASCII text" or so

you need to peel off the colon and everything after it; cut(1) can do that

(if you haven't encountered it before, "foo(1)" means foo is in section 1 of the manual; you can read that with "man 1 foo")

tried cut -f 1 -d ': ' but it said bad delimiter

try -d:

i think you only get to specify one character and ': ' is two characters

or -d ':' without a space should do the same

cut -f 1 -d ':' worked

hurrah! now you have just a list of filenames, right?

paths ya

recursive

cool, so you can pipe it to xargs wc -l

it auto totals too, dang nice

o/

full cmd is find . -type f -exec file {} \; | grep -E 'ASCII text|UTF-8' | cut -f 1 -d ':' | xargs wc -l

*seems* to work pretty flawlessly

can find any fault in it?

if you have any filenames with spaces in them, that'll gum it up

if you have any filenames with *colons* in them, that'll *really* gum it up :)

i don't but any way to fix that?

any easy way

for spacessss -- ok so i never use find's -exec. there may be something that find by itself can do there

but so usually i have a command like find [...] | xargs do_a_thing

and if i turn it into find [...] -print0 | xargs -0 do_a_thing

then that makes find output its filenames delimited by null characters instead of newlines, and it makes xargs expect that filenames will be separated by null characters instead of whitespace

but when you run file on your filenames, it's not going to delimit *its* output with nulls, ... hmm

WHAT

file has a -0 switch

but grep doesn't

anyway, sometimes i end up tucking a perl -pe 's/\n/\0/g' or perl -pe 's/\0/\n/g' in my pipeline to translate back and forth between newlines and nulls as needed

you might be able to do that more simply with tr or sed instead, but perl was the first thing i found that understood me when i said \0

jaredj: tr '\n' '\0'

anyway. yeah one of the things i hate about *nix shell parameters/input/output is that the simplest way to say it can fail in some corner cases, and the safest way to say it lacks simplicity

zwr: yeah figures lol

zwr: today i learned a simpler way. thanks! :)

Would it be easier to upgrade from 13.3Rp5 to 14.1R or go to 14.0R and then 14.1R ?

i always fresh upgrade between major versions just saying

fresh install, not upgrade

mns i think i've gone from 13.x to 14.1. it worked for me

jaredj ty for help on line counter btw

sure thing :)

jaredj: thanks. that helps.

polyex: I used to do that, once upon a time, when upgrade tools were not always stable (on linux, back around Red Hat 4 and Yellow Dog Linux/ppc). Once I switched to Debian and I could use apt-get to do upgrades, I don't think I've done fresh installs in the last 26+ years.

i'll try forever upgrades after pkgbase is default

With FreeBSD I've always upgraded to the latest RELEASE version. Just this time around, for some reason, I didn't upgrade to 14.0 and now I'm behind, so just wanted to check-in.

polyex: what's pkgbase?

oohoohoo

ok so base is ... i mean, you've got options like lib32, compilers, whatnot. but they all belong to a single build and whichever ones you have installed, you have to upgrade at upgrade time

yes that's base. I thought pkgbase was something different, is it not?

and unless you build your own (say, for example with Michael Dexter's occambsd), you have, like, the Mellanox Infiniband configuration tool in /usr/sbin, even if you don't need it.

the idea of pkgbase is to package everything in base, and then be able to upgrade each thing as a package

and maybe not have all the packages installed

ya modularize base into separate packages

the effort has surged and flagged several times, i believe

iXSystems was working on it, for example, before they moved most of their future efforts in a more Linuxly direction

that was like five years ago

afk

So, I asked this last night but got no response before I (and my computer) fell asleep,  `zfs unmount -f /j/s/web` gets me a "cannot unmount '/j/s/web': pool or dataset is busy". Is there a way to .. really force the umount? Or should I just reboot?

gh00p: why not shutdown the process that is locking up the mount so that its a clean shutdown?

jaredj: thanks for the explanation, that makes sense.

Wups, I disconnected. Darn web client.

mns, if I knew what process that was, I would. fstat doesn't report any use of that filesystem. The `-f` should unmount it anyway, despite blocking processes, but it does not.

hello i was wondering how i could change the default volume on my freebsd installation, whenever i boot up, the volume is at 86 and sadly i fail to notice that before listening to music and having my ear drums getting close to ruptured.

i have tried setting hw.snd.vpc_0db="20" in /etc/sysctl.conf however it does not seem to work

another question i have is how i can disable "natural scrolling" on my laptop's trackpad

unrealapex: x or wayland?

xorg

Option "NaturalScrolling" "false"

i tried putting this in /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-trackpad.conf, however, it looks like it's still enabled 0x0.st/XJGu.conf

just run mixer on crontabs @reboot

or whatever command to change the volume you use

would there be someday to do this in the kernel like i've tried or would using a crontab be a better way to go about this?

from what I know, running mixer should store the values

I'll see if /etc/rc.d/mixer has any clues

i'm trying to configure an nginx server inside a jail, and i think i'm completely lost

nope

why 86 out of every other possible value the maintainers could have set for the volume?

well, mostly lost. i have the jail running, but it can't access the internet from inside the jail

i feel like something around 40 would be more reasonable :/

I mean, mines at 100 and I can barely hear anything

you have a really good soundsystem

what parts of the configuration could be causing this issue? aside from the jail, i configured most of the server just following the handbook

(which is an excellent resource, btw, with the exception of the section on jails, which is out of date and incomplete)

I connected ear buds to my computer whichi was probably the issue :(

I'll write a crontab and see if that fixes this issue :)

I mean, you're writing the crontab because the issue can't be fixed :(

ah

unrealapex: sound.4

search part "To define default values for the different mixer channels, set the"

you could just write an /etc/rc.local to fix it

or hints, yeah, that makes sense

nmz: this is a man page correct?

yes

man sound

running sysctl hint.pcm.0.vol="0", i get "sysctl: unknown oid 'hint.pcm.0.vol'" i believe i inputted the correct oid

I think that's only for /boot/loader.conf

man device.hints

ah thanks for clarifying

do you mean /boot/device.hints?

oh

i see

sorry, never had to use device hints before

gh00p: did you check for any nullfs mounts

where do user configuration files go on freebsd? on linux directories would be either in $HOME or $XDG_CONFIG_DIR, should i do the same on freebsd or should i put config files in /usr/local/etc?

unrealapex: normally user directories reside in /usr/home

unrealapex: You can just configure it to wherever you want under $HOME/.config/user-dirs.dirs.

But in principle, both $HOME or ~/.config should work on every Unix-like system.

mane: not any longer since 14.0-RELEASE, they are now in /home

i see

btw i've just gimped this :-D wskyx.github.io/2024/08/21/abstract211b.html

I am struggling to get FreeBSD connecting to wifi, my phone can but my laptop cant unless I am closer to the AP... could just be a weaker antenna or the fact there is 10+ wifi networks in my area (everything is wifi enabled, tv's printers, all the neighbours routers etc) and this is on the 2.4GHz band because my laptop is IEEE 802.11n

anything I can do to try to improve connectivity?

polarian: FreeBSD has barely working support for 5GHz and as for now, speeds limited to 80211n. Make sure your WiFi card is supported (mine in 3-years-old ThinkPad only started working on 15-CURRENT some 3 months ago) and don't expect speeds higher than what you get on 2.4GHz.

regis: it worked flawlessly until last night/today

also there is nothing wrong with 2.4GHz imo

in fact its much more stable than 5GHz which travels much shorter distances, not to mention 6GHz which almost requires a AP in every room as it can't go far...

imo wireless is just for connection on the go... 802.11n is fine for this... if you want high speed stick a ethernet cable in :P

wires FTW

indeed.

what do greybeard sysadmins and leet gamers have in common? no wireless!

I want TP for my network

i'm getting beavis flashbacks

:)

s/want/need/ then :D

Not a greybeard (simply because I can't grow one without getting a sex change perhaps), but I do have all my 10+ laptops on ethernet. No WiFi, unless I take them to some place else.

You're a greybeard in spirit, remiliascarlet

I do play games though, but on a desktop, since all my laptops run a BSD OS.

1 is Free, 1 is Net, and all the others are Open.

I don't run Dragonfly, simply because I can't manage to successfully install it on real hardware for whatever reason.

what happens if you try to bind on ::ffff:0:0

remiliascarlet: i may have the right hormones but a beard looks hideous on me. lets both be honorary beardless greybeads.

i'd like to hereby announce the new FreeBSD Greybeards club, beard not required for membership. Only a disdain for stupid technology and a good "get off my lawn" attitude.

Soni: The whole universe would get sucked into a blackhole.

we don't wanna fire up the freebsd vm right now

polarian: 2.4GHz is extremely polluted in residential areas, and in my case less stable than 5GHz due to noise from neighbors' devices. I'm really, really happy that my ThinkPad's AX200 card started working recently (the model was supported for a long time, since 14-CURRENT I think, but my specific device wasn't covered). I don't care about speeds that much as stability and I only got it with 5GHz living

in an appartment complex.

apartment complexes are the worst for wireless pollution... I am in semi-detached so I have a couple of neighbours

but 5GHz band is saturated too now, most devices are dual band

the solution is a wifi ap in each room :P

or higher gain antenna :P

is there a non-proxy solution that can route incoming packets through a private VPN/tunnel and come out the other end with their original IP addresses ?

last1: why would you want to preserve the IP address

polarian: for logging purposes

polarian: 5GHz has generally way shorter range than 2.4GHz and is less resistant to objects/walls etc. And it's great because your neighbors' f'in printer or fridge announcing their BSSID for whatever reasons, or "gaming WiFi routers" with "misconfigured" signal strength above regionally allowed and occupying multiple channels, are much less noisy even in adjacent appartments in an appartment complex. I

don't work with WiFi for 19-20 years profesionally, and my modern knowledge of 802.11 comes from consumer / low-end-enterprise devices that "just work". But my consumer opinion is that 5GHz is more reliable due to less noise, given proper coverage and strong signal.

regis: but that also makes it unrealistic to use 5GHz in your own home... as you need APs everywhere

for a small house we need 3 AP mesh in order to reliably get 5GHz coverage... and even then due to congestion in the area it sometimes struggles to get a few mbps

polarian: I have a rather small apartment and one Ubiqiti device covers it well.

what? you now need more goods and services to get the same value? but that's marvellous! -- monopoly top hat capitalist dude

I think it's 47m²

last1: makes me think of a site to site vpn, where you have routers on each end. natting twice. nat into the vpn, and nat back out. spreading a subnet over two locations. can get messy, right? you only want one dhcp server, but what if the two networks lose connection?

last1: IPv6?

polarian: You're mentioning a "house" and "congestion in the area". Are you sure that you see 5GHz congestion and not mixing it with 2.4? I usually see 20+ 2.4GHz networks, and just a few 5GHz ones. Currently, sitting at home when people got back from work already (7pm local time) I see 19 2.4GHz networks and single 5GHz one - mine. My experience is the same when travelling.

hmm, maybe I've been thinking this wrong

is there an optimization for FreeBSD to deal with higher latencies

for example, if I want to transfer data quickly from a a server that's 200ms away vs one that's 15ms away

is there any setting that's likely to have a meaningful impact over the transfer speed ?

Do you want faster transfers or a lower latency? Theres no magic switch afaik but maybe use udp instead of tcp?

is there a way to change font for tty in freebsd?

I can't get lower latency, it's physical distance

I need to optimize around it

There are a series of patches to ssh to increase buffer windows and other things to improve performance on high latency networks. You could look for them and try them out.

i use mosh over high latency connections and its pretty great

The maintainer of those discusses them periodically on the openssh-devel mailing list.

+1 for mosh on high latency links for interactive use

freebsd used actual text mode so I guess it's not possible to change font in tty

s/used/uses

It's not a streaming data copy protocol though. For that on high latency links one needs more buffers in flight. And parallel connections.

schizophrenic: no i'm pretty sure it's possible

pretty sure you can change the font of the tty i just cant remember the command

schizophrenic, I assumed you meant on the vt console. No?

rwp: yeah, it's called vt here in freebsd

looks loke vidfont(1)?

I don't know but I would start with "man vt" and see if there is information there on it.

vidfont(1)

(i started with man -k font)

ah you beat me to it

:)

I had this hidpi screen and couldnt see anything on startup, used to have the whole command memorized

mannn. slackware used to have the greatest console fonts

My problem on the vt console is not the displayed font so much as the keymap. I have been customizing one for me but haven't got it where I want it yet.

getz lol yeah

the old openbsd font was really nice

wait I can't change font to Noto Sans

you need a bitmap font

it doesn't list it however I can see it in fc-list

bitmap font :o

so no emoji?

i think so, i might be mistaken

"The vtfontcvt utility reads source font files in either BDF or Unifont

HEX format and outputs a file in one of the available output formats." -- vtfontcvt(8)

wow I could convert ttf font into bitmap font

yeah i'm kinda sad that robust, modern text rendering takes so much code and work in excess of what vt/wscons/etc allow

course i'm not even trying to do right-to-left text, and if i can't see emojis in my terminal that's good if anything :)

emojis are overrated

just use bitmojis

\0/

the wider i see that text rendering gap is, the worse a job i know a real CRT terminal would do, if i ever managed to get one

see if you can't get the gallant font it makes me happy whenever I open the tty

it looks very SPARCy

mmmmm

whoo. i've found five gallants now none of which sounds like the one you are talking about

hah! here's a font called Gallant whose glyphs are cross-stitch patterns

fonts101.com/fonts/view/Serif/18408/Galant has just one 'l' in its name, but it's at least a serif font

haha funny, I was trying to turn it into a ttf to use in emacs, got it working but didnt like the outcome :(

the X misc 12x24 font gives me 65% of the good sparc vibes

When I dock my laptop with 14.1 I get no external mouse and keyboard. I have a built-in dock in a Lenovo screen. Where shall I start to dig?

You ned to connect it twice. One cable USB-C (Tb-Video), another Ub-C or USB (USB functions)

maccampus: Really? An ordinary USB is enough for #2 one? Where can I read about the why's?

it's because the 2 are sepperated uinside the Lenovo screen

i have the same issue with my HP screen

Ok.. interesting. Will investigate further. Unexpected answer. :-)

or Maybe the HW Engineers at Apple are just smarter

and they can use one cable for all signals

The same with Linux..

i don't think the OS matters

maybe the bios does

But my bare metal works excellent with winblows and linux. Not FreeBSD though. Disclaimer: I asked here before entering the rabbit hole.

weird, it seems xf86 was the one crashing my freebsd

giving me page faults

Hmm, would I do better with a "real" docking station? I don't really love the thought of two usb-cables to dock.

hi all

I am new to freebsd and am trying to understand the usecasses where freebsd or a bsd derivate would be preferred over linux for web applications

are there any places where freebsd is prefered over linux?

well afaik it is used in hughe lets say clusters in for streaming business, as revers proxy and/or cache

for example

As a desktop it mostly boils down to user prefs. For example I run both on different machines.

Running Linux is "easier" due to better support/popularity but above a certain skill level it does not matter anymore

I ran FreeBSD as my work computer for many years, but now we worship M$$$ so I had to switch to Ubuntu to satisfy Azure MDM enforcement (the alternative was Win11 :shivers:).

On my supported desktops it is very fast and lightweight; only something like Arch/Gentoo can compete but FreeBSD is actually easier to set up than those.

how is the learning curve switching to freebsd for a linux user?

does it use roughly the same cli tools?

i like freebsd because of native zfs support and jails

I am considering using freebsd for a select few use cases, say as reverse proxy and file host, since it natively supports zfs

The most noticeable change is that the official documentation is much more coherent. Avoid following random online guides.

The system management tools are quite different, but TBH redhat vs Arch for example is like that as well.

can I run docker containers that were made for linux on freebsd?

through a vm, sure. or things like this continue progressing github.com/samuelkarp/runj

well

seems freebsd uses jails

and avoids docker overall

does jails have similiar features to docker like creating isolated networks etc?

for web dev docker containers are kinda the standard, so what would replace docker in freebsd?

i havent looked in detail how jails in freebsd works

i see, so docker relies heavily on the linux kernel and namespaces and control groups and therefor cant easily be ported to bsd without a vm

it does not

everything is different

netflix uses freebsd, apparently its good for cache's and so on

the closest distro to freebsd is slackware/gentoo/void linux.

jkli: it is not so much avoiding docker, but that BSD jails do a similar thing (OS-level virtualisation)

the other difference would be that you can virtualise lots of differennt linux distributions, but there is only really one freeBSD

although you can run different userlands in jails, I guess that's fairly similar to different flavours of linux.

I guess in principle the docker tooling could be adapted so that it knows a thing or two about how to marshal jails.

lwn.net/SubscriberLink/985210/f3c3beb9ef9c550e why, just why

is freebsd dying that they wanna get rust folks on it?

nmz freebsd users are very old and few

so yeah, it is dying

there's no reason to be scared of rust. good abstractions

it seems to have unusual momentum behind it

hi, I asked in #freebsd-jails which seems more appropiate but there is not that many audience as in here. When configuring a new thick jail, what is the minimal IP configuration so you aassign a static IP in the same interface and network segment than the host? Thanks

to provide more details, I set up the ip4.addr value which is listed in jls, but when I access the jail ifconfig shows all interfaces from the server without IP

I you have freebsd and need to run docker for dev work, the easiest way is to virtualise Ubuntu server in behyve: forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-i…stall-a-ubuntu-guest-in-bhyve.66767

ubuntu runs pretty well. I don't usually use a gui but it is available as well

just in case it helps someone else: interface and allow.raw_sockets was needed in jail.d .conf file

when using make in the ports collection

how do I regain the menu to select the parts to build

or better question, where is a list of make commands

list of make commands in in `man ports`

make config will show the menu

thank you!!

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I have syslogd listening on port 514 and I am logging to it from haproxy

I can see the traffic going to it, for example: 18:32:37.809772 IP asia-relay.53386 > asia-relay.syslog: SYSLOG mail.info, length: 99

that's from tcpdump

but I have nothing in /var/log/maillog

in /etc/syslogd.conf I have: mail.info /var/log/maillog

from the same machine?

yes

I can see them quite clearly with tcpdump, for example: E.......⊙.~<22>Aug 21 18:39:45 haproxy[1070]: Connect from 127.0.0.1:33839 to 127.0.0.1:81

but if I run syslogd with -d switch there's nothing

I run it like this: syslogd -d -a localhost -b localhost -C -f /etc/syslog.conf

why not let haproxy write to the log file

I got it figured out, I had two services listening on port 514

uh huh

haproxy doesn't like to write directly to file because of some chroot stuff

bah