can freebsd run docker images drop-in for linux?

polyex: not easily. Docker requires a linux kernel. You could run a linux VM on top of FreeBSD, or maybe find some luck with the linux compatibility layer but you'd need some sort of engine to run the container. I've only used the VM approach.

linux vm on bhyve

linux vm on qemu

i want to know what going with this thenewstack.io/tidalscale-creates-s…ocean-dram-large-scale-applications

Title: TidalScale Creates a Single Ocean of DRAM for Large-Scale Applications - The New Stack

tidalscale.com ?

The technology is based on the FreeBSD hypervisor bhyve.

Title: Ike Nassi - Wikipedia

Title: Hyper Metal: Scaling AWS Instances Up with TidalScale | AWS HPC Blog

SSI which compaq/hp killed opensauce version, openssi. > clustering > cloud foo being sold.

SDDC with vswitch/vsan and openssi kill aws,m$,google,oracle business model.

Title: OpenSSI - Wikipedia

sddc?

rennj ^

Can anyone recommend a bluetooth 5.4 USB dongle that will work with Linux and FreeBSD?

I could settle for a slightly older Bluetooth specification if it works with FreeBSD.

polyex, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_data_center

Title: Software-defined data center - Wikipedia

vmware is king, but now broadcom only cares about the top600.

rennj nice

Title: Broadcom's strategy ignores most VMware customers • The Register

top600

btw why does freebsd sendmail try to gethostbyaddr at 3am? i've done EVERYTHING to disable sendmail ffs

polyex: did you disable sendmail periodic? daily runs at 3AM by default

cron job perhaps

yep

all 4

daily clean hoststat enable NO, daily status include submit mailq NO, daily status mail rejects enable NO, daily submit queuerun NO

have you got mailq set correctly in mailer.conf? 440.status-mailq might trigger it otherwise

what should i set it to?

Title: Chapter 31. Electronic Mail | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

i haven't edited it

probably "/usr/libexec/dma" unless you've installed some other MTA like Postfix

no it's a fresh system

will that make dma start doing stuff now? i don't do any mailing so i just want to disable it!

no, DMA doesn't do anything at all unless you try to send mail. but if you don't want an MTA at all, try turning off daily_status_mailq_enable. plus obviously make sure you configured periodic not to send mail

might want daily_queuerun_enable=NO too

tarting with FreeBSD version 14.0, dma(8) is the default MTA, and before 14.0, the default MTA is sendmail(8).

heh

the handbook

rennj sorry i got d/c

lw oki'll try turning those off

just saw freebsd makes network request to vuxml.freebsd.org, i guess to check for vulnerabilities? if it finds them what happens then?

that's from 'pkg audit', the output (if any) is included in the daily security report

and it says what? like "you're running a pkg that has a vuln, pls upgrade immediately"?

it's just a list of installed packages with known vulnerabilities

is it ever useful?

or do ppl monitor that for themselves some other way?

networkmanger on ubuntu always phones home.. you could always 127.0.0.1 vuxml.freebsd.org, tweak /etc/nsswitch.conf for resolving..

well i just got it blocked in the fw. only question is if i want to open it up

i guess not for now since i'm not doing any mailing

no place like home, 127.0.0.1

localhost

how do i disable the pkg audit call home?

resolving /etc/hosts files,then dns

nsswitch.conf old skool

nis nis+ dns ldap foo..

nameserver resolving

whay pi-hole does

what even

Title: Pi-hole – Network-wide Ad Blocking

nah my configs gotta be self-contained

pi-hole /etc/hosts

wc -l /etc/hosts,1421273 /etc/hosts

rennj btw if "SDDC with vswitch/vsan and openssi kill aws,m$,google,oracle business model." why hasn't anyone done it yet and destroy those big tech shitholes?

 

0.0.0.0 / 127.0.0.1

because humans are morons

pay fools for the cloud foo..

maybe you're wrong? or are you sure?

maybe, heh

other peoples computer or your own...what would i know

i'm open tho. i'd love to hear sure fire ideas of destroying big cloud hosts

system Z sun e25k hp-v2600

top500 list

my hp v2600 was monster

128cpu/128gb ecc ram..in 1997 or so

top 500 supercomputer list

but what would i know

4 cabinets, high voltage differential scsi, not low voltage

ibm system Z is their top end

sun e25k was sun's top end

the ibm system Z and sun e25k was not my gear..but i had sun e6800 and hp superdome interface with it

sgi and sun split the cray tech, that was government mandate.

the original cray computer tech

sun fire crossbar was cray tech..

polyex, go read up tandem non-stop gear

hp ended up owning

5 9's hah

tandem non-stop probably the benchmark

the pinnacle

course ibm been asshole going back forever

ibm/redhat ..could pay me to buy into

ok ty

ibm/redhat ..couldnt pay me to buy into...im well awear of ibm...going back before unix had tcp/ip ethernet

token ring system36/39/as400

rpg/jcl

batch processing

these kids like tui/cli no mouse, i laugh..i did computing before the mouse.. SAM select adust menu / mouse was bonus

you dont like mouse, you dont like copy/paste i guess

SAM select?

select adjust menu

SAM 3 button lase optical mouse

x11

see sun docs..is explained

before wheel mouse

nice

btw periodic can output to file instead of email!

polyex: how to? :)

like daily_output="/var/log/daily.log"

i like vt and tmux with the mouse for copy paste

im these kids that like tui. honestly, its mostly like, the way everything is formatted is nausating

tui is visually quiet but tells me whatever i want. i feel like it isnt trying to manipulate me. i feel like the graphical systems are all like a modern disney movie, like excessively manipulative to the point where they fail what they're trying to do and its just obvious

in tui i can put it in whatever font and colors i want source some file to change anything and everything is instantly updated

plus everything can always be directed to something else, and regexps can be used everywhere. it seems like less i have to remember vs where every button and menu is, especially since everyone is always moving them. especially ctrl-u and ctrl-w are "killer apps".

any way to set up multiple pflogs? i want 1 for any rule that just logs, then another pflog for every allow rule that logs

through rc.conf i mean

like block log (to pflog0, pflog1) ... ?

good day, we have a memory leak on our freebsd installation (version 14). using `vmstat -m` shows an ever-increasing memory usage of `routetbl` which will eventually crash our system. From this bug report bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256714 i learned there is a fix in the stable branch cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=7cf…47aba1356c34ea12d73f6ac72793056fcde

Title: 256714 – net: Multiple memory leaks when detaching a device

what have i do to deploy this patch into my production machine? this presumed bug really kills our hardware

right now our solution is just to reboot the hardware regularly

`freebsd-update fetch` results in freebsd-update: Command not found

`freebsd-version` results in 14.0-CURRENT

hello can someone help me with sed

I want to search a directory and change all occurences of the word ignorance with videotron so I made the following command : find PrivateBin/ -type f -exec sed -i 's/ignorance/videotron/g' {} \;

it didn't seem to work so what ought it be to be correct?

danke schon ahead of time

Good day, wondering if anyone can point me to some good docs for using python 3.11 instead of 3.9 on FreeBSD 14? One of the ports packages I installed (open-vm-tools) depends on python 3.9, but for everything else on the system I'm doing I will need python 3.11

yes labrnth you can do that

there are 3 versions of python or even more allowed on bsd

I don't know how to point you to references but I have done this and could do a little google search on your behalf if you like

Title: Using different versions of Python together | The FreeBSD Forums

labrnth try that I glanced at it and it seems to be the answer you are looking for

koolkat332 and VimDiesel thank you, I'll have a look

labrnth: use jails

no mage that won't work and it's memory consumative

jails are very lightweight and doesn't consume much memory (some of our machines have ~500 jails)

s/doesn't/don't

actually it's a good idea

for the development but not for the vm open tools is what I was thinking

that's what I meant

basically his question is that he has an essential app that needs to run as a sort of host that requires a different version of python than the standard and how to resolve this anomaly I think

superuser.com/questions/1208943/pkg…ersion-of-python-in-freebsd/1209017 and I am not getting any answers from searching that out specifically really

Title: bsd - pkg install using specific version of Python in FreeBSD? - Super User

I'm wondering when default version for Python will change BTW, 3.9 is not far from being outdated

koolkat332, The problem you hit with sed is that GNU sed and FreeBSD sed have different and incompatible syntax for the -i option.

koolkat332, Reference: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92…ability-with-sed-i-in-place-editing

Title: shell - How can I achieve portability with sed -i (in-place editing)? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange

use sed -i ''

yes thank you rwp I ended up solving it by adding ''

It's one of those portability tragedies. Because it is extremely useful. And just doesn't work on FreeBSD.

thank you mage as well

going to either go back to sleep or have some breakfast, thank you mage rwp

if there is a mistake in a vuxml I assume I should submit a ticket on bugzilla

any idea smbclient/smbfs would be insanely slow? I'm talking like 10MB/sec or less (sometimes drops to 100bytes/sec) on a 1gbe lan. The server is windows. and if i use a linux client (same lan, also 1gbe). Tthe linux client will max out the 1gbe at 128MB/sec

Kobaz, I suspect you're seeing issues related to this: forums.freebsd.org/threads/adjust-default-window-scaling-option.57700

Title: adjust default Window Scaling option | The FreeBSD Forums

ah, interesting

Most figure out a tweak to get the performance they'd expect.

hi guys! how many of y'all are daily driving freebsd?

michuumichuu: I'd guess pretty much everyone?

welp they left ;/

ek: server side or desktop?

From what I read server use is the most common use of FreeBSD due to lacking support within the desktop side of things... people usually go for Linux :/

All the BSDs combined market share for desktops is extremely low

Plasmoduck: Both.

I believe it is 0.01% while Linux has 4%

Err... polarian* Sorr, Plasmoduck.

yikes, better hope they don't mind a random ping :P

polarian: Yep. I'm not sure why. I don't use it for gaming or anything, so it isn't lacking for me in any way.

I don't game either

but I have read some articles on people getting steam to run under linux ABI compatibility, so FreeBSD gaming is somewhat possible

I am curious to poke around with the Plasma 6 stuff now, too.

although I am not interested in gaming... I just want a stable system I can rely on, and FreeBSD seems amazing for that

admittidly I did come from Arch Linux which is rolling release, so its hard to compare the two...

FBSD gaming is absolutely possible. I've done it before just out of curiosity. I just don't do much (or any?) computer gaming. So, I don't pay much attention. Otherwise, I see no difference between Linux and FBSD desktops.

Linux and BSD are quite different under the hood. But, I will agree on the stability bit. I've been using BSD's for years (FBSD mainly since '95-ish) and I've been so pleased with them that I've never even considered migrating away.

I'm also not a huge fan of the way Linux bundles software with kernel. With a separate base and userland, I can update anything at any time and continue to run flawlessly with BSD. With Linux, I find I have to reboot after updating Nginx because it required a kernel upgrade as well? Very annoying.

Although, I did hear they were trying to come up with a solution to that using "snap" or whatever.

i highly doubt updating a web server requires a kernel update

ek: that is one amazing thing about BSD which is the split the software from the core system

ports for software to install, and then a minimal base system which you update separately

you can run a newer version for new features, or the release version for more stability, so versitile

llua: I believe what they mean is the fact that when you update a linux system kernel updates are done along side the software updates, meaning just wanting to patch say nginx, will also pull in the new kernel update, which will require a reboot

and Linux kernel updates are FREQUENT

Debian holds back on any updates which are not security related, so that is a good competitor when it comes to stability, but Debian are quite rigid against adding in features too, meanwhile freebsd does both

the only downside with FreeBSD is the smaller number of developers, and even with all the support, still the limiting hardware support compared to Linux...

polarian: Yep. That's exactly what I mean. Linux's packaging system(s) leave much to be desired (from me.)

(maybe if Linux shared their damn drivers, other open source operating systems could benefit)

and then they moan about proprietary companies not sharing, when they don't share either.

anybody ran into this with python39? AttributeError: partially initialized module 'csv' has no attribute 'reader' (most likely due to a circular import)

areader = csv.reader(csvtext.decode('utf-8').split('\n'), delimiter=',')

ek: I am in the process of migrating my server infrastructure to FreeBSD, currently waiting on a few ports to be updated before I can, and it is for the exact reason you mentioned, Linux sysadmin is a constant battle to update software when I can reboot the entire server to ensure that kernel patches are applied... meanwhile FreeBSD you just freebsd-update cron and then you recieve a nice email

when you need to worry about a reboot

wcarson: is this only python39? does it happen with other python versions?

i think it only started when i updated to 3.9.18_2, i've been using this same code for years

are you sure the import hasn't changed?

100%

hmm when I wrote python I fixed circular imports by rearranging the import statements... if you are using an IDE maybe check if it has any suggestions on what is wrong?

i only have 'import csv'

also i do get the same error on python3.8.2

bsd.to still down huh

wcarson: bsd.to is for OpenBSD...

I thought...

wait no thats ports.to

smh apologies

hehe no worries

why not use freshports?

bsd.to is a pastebin

oh...

even more confusing

dpaste.org works too?

oh wait I just realised bsd.to is in the MOTD

s/MOTD/topic/

my brain is having severe problems today

yes, people have reporting this for months

bu nobody is willing to change the topic

wcarson: do you have the same error in a different directory ?

what is FreeBSD live?

hmm the directory doesn't seem to matter

since i get the same error on a different, non-freebsd system, i no longer think it's related to the port upgrade :/

wcarson: what do you use to write python?

I still recommend passing it through a LSP

i cannot reproduce you error

polarian: vim

babz_: i think i'm going crazy. if i go into interactive mode and paste lines 1 by 1, it works fine

if i put it in a file, i get the partially initialized module error

if i change csvtext to a bytes, and remove the trailing \n, it gives the expected result...

I've noticed some small changes to Python modules recently. Could be something being parsed differently now that used to be supported.

ok i'm an idiot

i was naming it csv.py for testing

and that's why i was getting the circular error

My Weechat Pushbullet Python code no longer pushes due to a change with POST or something. I haven't taken the time to look into it yet.

YES! I believe that's the issue I'm having as well. The code names the event the same as the module or something weird so it fails to find it locally.

I'll have to poke at it soon.

io/

xFCFFDFFFFEFFFAF: Hiya.

CrtxReavr: wow, so this smb slowdown seems like a known-ongoing problem and nothing I've seen so far seems to actually solve the issue

ooooh

I'm seeing something here. on the main freebsd i have full speed. on the jail I have max 2MB/sec

so the jail is limiting my network speed

ek yeahhhh

ea: Ping timeout: 1ms

do FreeBSD staff check their emails

or ports maintainers

or should every query be slapped onto bugzilla?

Some are more dilligent than others.

Though, they're volunteers, so they owe you nothing.

sure... but what is the best way to query a port

its not a bug

but its a question about the port

yeahhh

I would normally email but it seems most people dont check emails on freebsd... so?

Which port?

devel/maven*

(* being wildcard :)

You E-mailed michaelo⊙ao?

polarian: General questions regarding a port should be sent to the maintainer via email. Changes or issues with a port should be PR'd through bugzilla. I'd do just as CrtxReavr suggested and just email the maintainer.

any way to make pflog in plain text? like so i don't have to run tcpdump -n -e -ttt -i pflog0 to read it

i wanna make it a plain text log that can be scraped and monitored

polyex: Is /var/log/pf.* not what you're looking for?

polyex: doesn't the example in man pflogd log as text ? With -f ? Warning, unless you restrict what you log, that logfile is going to fill up really quickly

then again it doesn't. I think you can make rules in pf.conf log to syslog though

polyex: pass in log on $ext_if1 for ex will log traffic for you to syslog

polarian: it's always a good idea to use the bugzilla, because it's easier to keep track of things not just for the people involved but also other people

For declaratively provisioning machines/images, is cloud-init an acceptable "production-grade" method, or is there a more ideal approach for FreeBSD VMs

Use case would be prod machines in Azure

Would like to bootstrap things like user creating, package installation

Steeve: cloud-init is fine. It's pretty widely used in production environments just as Ansible, Chef, SaltStack, etc... are. If it works for what you need, it's acceptable (I would think.)

cheers, thanks ek

Steeve: Sure thing. I haven't used cloud-init in a long time, but when I did test it out for curiosity's sake, pellaeon.github.io/bsd-cloudinit was a pretty good starting point (albeit, quite old now.)

Title: bsd-cloudinit by pellaeon

Good luck and happy BSD'ing!

wonderful, thank you

I would like to install a plugin for znc via ports -inside a jail- /usr/ports/irc/znc-clientbuffer but I'm getting an error "Could NOT find PkgConfig (missing: PKG_CONFIG_EXECUTABLE)" I can't seem to find pkg-config to install via pkg install, any suggestions?

rtfm nekudatam

paymayu

?

ek /var/log/pf.today and yesterday show aggregates. i want real-time itemized, every time pf has a rule with log in it

vortexx gonna check out the pflogd text example you cited

vortexx how i have the log word on for fw rules and it goes to pflog0 but how do you get it to go to syslog?

oh pf.conf log lemme check

why does pflogd write in binary format instead of text when most other daemons log in text format?

man pf has nothing about syslog. neither does pf.conf.

neither man pflog

pflogd has 1 mention of it about some pcap stat thing

i just want to pf log to syslog or plain text file instead of tcpdump's binary interface hmmm

binary format*