anyone else got a regression in past few months or so on 13.2 amd nvme zfs? back to 12.x kinda behavior with random pauses in i/o

Can somebody help me with my freebsd install. well its been instaleld for like 2 days but it takes about 30 seconds to boot and almost 40 seconds to get to kde

should i try another desktop or window manager ?

Once everything is loaded its fast but it just takes some time

30 seconds to boot starting from when?

(loader by default has a 10 second delay, for example, you can tweak that)

i find myself wondering lately if the 10 second default is really that reasonable

I think so

it's really annoying if the default there is too short and you have to scrabble for the spacebar when you might have been messing with power cables or whatnot

yeah, and actually, now that I say that out loud, any shorter can get really annoying over SOL

xfce was faster for me

I agree on the 10 seconds. Certainly no shorter than 5 seconds!

maybe kde is to big for this system and takes to many resources

i haven't tried gnome in a while

ssd or spinny disk?

I haven't loaded KDE in ages. XFCE is pretty solid and reasonable.

you wouldn't think 10 seconds is short, but when it's lagging in drawing the updates by seconds it's a hard race even when you know it's coming

don't know its my sons old laptop i took over. its a samsung notebook spin 7

everythign workss out of the box

one thing that tends to slow down initial startup of a desktop is the sheer number of shared libs that have to be loaded

on spinny disks it's a lot of seeking for that, and hard to avoid

jb1277976, Run "camcontrol devlist" and see what it identifies your disks as.

And also probably something like "diskinfo -v /dev/ada0" to get more information about the device.

<TOSHIBA MQ01ABD100 AX1R4F> at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,ada0)

Also "geom disk list" has useful information too.

That's a spinning disk.

geom disk list will also report rotation rate if it's known, though it isn't always (e.g. spinny disks on USB may show up as "unknown")

Since its spinning does that mean its slow ?

on my otehr laptop when i had freebsd on it it was faster

Spinning disks as RhodiumToad explained have a higher seek latency than SSDs which are flash NAND storage.

spinny disks have an irreducible latency due to head movement and rotation - when asking for a random block, you have to wait a couple of ms for the head to move and then another couple for the desired data to rotate under the head

But note my desktop has spinning disks and I am still using it.

whereas ssds can read pretty much any block immediately

im going to try gnome just to see what happens

GNOME triggers mental alarm bells for me. Are you sure you want to do it?

lol

i dont know what to do

rwp: you on a window manager ?

Instead of GNOME you might try the GNOME2 fork called "mate" (pronounced mah-tay because it is a flower from south america).

let me give it a shot

brb gotta go do dishes. but i will install it

I use either xfce when I am setting up generic systems for myself or other people and I use i3 tiling window manager for my own personal use.

late gotta go

sudo-1.9.15.pkg seems to have a tty bug. It's okay in sudo-1.9.14p3_1.pkg but upon upgrade to 1.9.15 the tty modes are messed up after exiting it.

Here is what 1.9.15 does to the tty modes: bsd.to/M7gs/raw

Title: M7gs

I had to downgrade my systems back to sudo-1.9.14p3_1 in order to avoid the problem.

I guess I am going to need to learn how to drive bugzilla eventually.

Hmm... Maybe this sudo bug ticket? bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274996

Title: 274996 – [PATCH] security/sudo: Update to 1.9.15p2

Yes. The FreeBSD PR references sudo-project/sudo #326 which describes the problem.

Title: sudo-1.9.15 fails to restore tty settings on some shells · Issue #326 · sudo-project/sudo · GitHub

326 – Weekly cron generates some usage and error messages FDIV021 bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=326

Hmm... the bot was over exuberant and included an unrelated bug title there.

it's this laptop its just slow. im going to put windows back on it and get my orginal laptop thats faster and newer and put freebsd on there

Thanks all bbl

What I do for laptops is I remove spinning drives and replace them with SSDs. It's usually a very easy upgrade.

And then the older machine is given a new life. It's a pretty cheap and easy upgrade. And then no worries about a laptop taking a "thump" and damaging a spinning drive.

not going to let the impulse to try this win

How can one tell what is in the pkg build queue for quarterly? In particular the new sudo 1.9.15p2 seems to be required to fix the currently released breakage.

I can see this but not sure how to interpret it. freshports.org/security/sudo?branch=2023Q4

Title: FreshPorts -- security/sudo: Allow others to run commands as root

pkg-status.freebsd.org is the starting point for looking at builder status

you're interested in quarterly amd64?

13.2?

Yes. I am in the boring "nothing to see here" section.

it looks like it's currently running a build against d6183abd1b32 which does not have the sudo fix

Title: Poudriere bulk results

sudo-1.9.15p1 is already built in that run

28% done after 27 hours, so it'll be several days before the fixed sudo version gets through

call it 3 days to finish the run, maybe 1 day latency, then 1-2 days to do the next run

I downgraded to the previous pkg which I have kept in my cache ("pkg install /var/cache/pkg/sudo-1.9.14p3_1.pkg" for lurkers) so I am okay. Just taking the opportunity to learn here.

depending on what else has changed since then

I am confused by those pages. I am staring at them and trying to figure them out.

which page specifically? the front page of pkg-status seems to be a bit broken of late in that it doesn't show builds in progress

the proxy link to beefy14 that I gave is the actual poudriere status page for that build

So for example neither of those pages mention sudo anywhere in there. So I don't see where it fits into things. Like how did you know the current build was the one with 1.9.15p1?

on the poudriere status page, type sudo into the search field for completed builds (and/or queued builds)

by default it only shows 10 or so entries

also the id of the build, d6183abd1b32, is a git commit id, so you can see where it falls in the git history

On pkg-status.freebsd.org if I search for "sudo" it says "no records found".

don't search there

starting from "package builds" on the pkg-status page, look for the combination of portstree and jail name,

i.e. quarterly and 132amd64

On second link if I search there it does show me the information you provided. That's making sense from that page now.

is you have ipv6 connectivity, then click on the little bomb graphic next to the jail name (not the build name)

If I search for sudo-1.6.15p I can see that p1 is queued and p2 is not yet queued. Which is unfortunate from a time perspective. But I assume that p2 will eventually be queued?

if you don't have ipv6 connectivity, then you can look at which host it's going to (beefy14 here) and fill that in in the URL I gave as the second link, which will proxy it through pkg-status

Unfortunately I do not at this moment have IPv6 connectivity. I will get there some day though.

once the currently running build is done, in ~3 days time, then within about a day another build will be started, which will take the ports tree as it exists then (and therefore will include the fix)

I also don't have ipv6 here, which is why I gave the proxy link

That's very good information. I think I understand the second link with the details in it much better now. Thank you for it.

From the first page I am still lost at sea on it. Looking for "the combination of portstree and jail name" "i.e. quarterly and 132amd64". How does one know the "132" part there?

13.2

D'Oh! Gotcha.

So when I look at "Package Builds" and then type in 132amd64 into the search box I see default and quarterly but quarterly shows 39138a92243f (not d6183abd1b32 you found) and am confused at that point. Also that link fails with an internal server error when I try it.

the lengths of build times are the subject of some complaint of late, since a full build for amd64 takes something like 6-7 days even on machines with, iirc, 28 cpus

the front page is showing the latest completed build, I think, not the running build

that's why you have to look at the little bomb to find out where to go next

i.e. pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy14/jail.html?mastername=132amd64-quarterly

then look for the one that's actually running

If I start complaining about build times turn that around and suggest that I build it myself. :-) I would be good for that.

If I look at the bomb I get beefy14.nyi.freebsd.org/jail.html?mastername=132amd64-quarterly

right but I think all those direct links are ipv6-only

A link which again doesn't work by itself. So trying to figure out the mutation rule to get from one to the other.

you get at it via ipv4 by using pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy14 instead

It actually gives me an IPv4 address but then gives me an "internal server error" for it.

it shouldn't give you an ipv4 address?

Since you say it is IPv6 only I would not expect to get an IPv4 address for it.

beefy14.nyi authoritatively has no A record, only AAAA, so if you see an A record then something may be messing with your dns

I think it is more likely the problem exists between my chair and keyboard trying to interpret the web page and click on the right place.

hi all

I think I have it. Take the URL of the bomb to see that it is on beefy14 change beefy14.nyi.freebsd.org/jail.html to pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy14/jail.html append on ?mastername=132amd64-quarterly which gets me to pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy14/jail.html?mastername=132amd64-quarterly and from there I see that one build is "parallel_build" and can follow the link from there.

Thanks RhodiumToad for being patient with me! I am going to note this down so that I should be able to follow through it again later.

Hello adilix. Sorry but I was focused on my own stuff that RhodiumToad was helping me with.

so, i installed the releng/14.0 from source, upgraded my zpool and enabled an unsupported checksum on zroot and now i can't boot, i am already running a zfs send|recv and i wanted to ask if there is not really another way out

siort, So you now think your zfs pool is upgraded beyond your current boot system's capabilities? Is that correct?

It is, i already replaced my loader.efi with the new one

And to recover you are already pouring bits from the too advanced pool over to a lower one that you will be able to boot off of?

i'm not already there, i'm just sending a snapshot to another disk

TBH I haven't hit that type of situation myself and I don't know a better answer I was just clarifying the situation.

What are you booting off of in order to be able to access the pool? You have another different 14.0 system I take it?

i'm using a rc4 live disk

Good plan. Which is really telling me that that there must be a boot loader which will be able to boot off the newer pool. (I don't know though.) And even though you say you have already upgraded it just feels like there must be something wrong with that part of things.

Alternatively perhaps something simply broke the booting and the problem is not that the boot loader can't import the upgraded zpool and it is really just other breakage in the boot path.

i don't think the upgrade is what was at fault. Reading from a forum thread (forums.freebsd.org/threads/changing…cksum-on-boot-device-bad-idea.59562) it seems that the boot loader can't boot because an unsupported feature is active. Also, I tried CURRENT's bootloader and it didn't work either

At least you can see your data so you know it is not lost. Good luck with your recovery!

indeed, i've seen a lot of filesystems fail sadly, nothing was lost this time except some hours i wiil not be able to access my data convniently

Too long since I did this. Do I have a default AltGr or Compose key on a pc keyboard in X? Or do I need to define one if I want it?

AltGr is the right Alt, compose key has to be defined

I have: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us -option compose:menu -option compose:prsc (and I also have -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp but...)

backup :P

back up*

this is a nvme drive

rwp: dpaste.org/dXWEg

Title: dpaste/dXWEg (Python)

That one should be quite a bit faster.

yep

putting windows on the other laptop for my kid :P bbl

jb12779: Why are you abusing your kid?

Linux mint is for noobs, windows is for abuse and torture. Causes learned helplessness

😜

Hi

I can't get xbox360 controller (USB) to work on pcsx2. That is the only software I used that can use controller so no idea if it even works

I added my user to input group, and also added the line in loader.conf, 'xb360gp_load="YES"'

then I rebooted

I am still a bit fresh to non-linux unix-like systems and controllers/gamepads, so I may be thinking in linuxism and may do unecessary things or completely miss something due to that

dmesg gives

ugen0.3: <BDA Xbox ONE mini> at usbus0

I guess it is an xbox one wired controller not 360, maybe those aren't supported? I need to google some first tho'

no idea why all the driver man pages say to load drivers via loader.conf, but you should only do that if you really need that, else you should load drivers via rc.conf kld_list or maybe let devd handle it, it automatically loads some kernel modules when it detects hardware needing it (no idea if it does for xb360gp) (loading via loader.conf makes the system unbootable when the kernel modul doesn't

work for some reason (mostly affects kmods from ports when changing freebsd version) and is slower as loader has to load the kmod and not the booted system)

zyxer: are the hgame uhid and usbhid kernel modules loaded? can you test the controller with some generic controller test tool? forums.freebsd.org/threads/howto-en…r-desktop-usbhid.84464/#post-570081 lists antimicrox controllermap's test{gamecontroller,joystick} and libgamepad's gamepad_test never used them, so no idea how well they work

Title: Howto: Enabling multimedia keys, gamepads/joysticks for desktop; usbhid | The FreeBSD Forums

Those where enabled

Now, I did some udev rules

Then tested using a tool to test joypad

It worked and then went back to emulator and realised I may have done a linuxism: Gamepads, if they have proper drivers etc. on linux, are usually autodetected and autoconfed in emulator

So perhaps the rules I added did nothing or I actually tried to rebind before but not work, but now it work.

Title: Howto: Enabling multimedia keys, gamepads/joysticks for desktop; usbhid | The FreeBSD Forums

That post helped

VimDiesel: usbhid was already loaded

hm, alfaexploit.com/en/posts/gamepads_and_emulators_on_freebsd/#xbox-one says you can use a xbox one gamepad via webcamd

Title: Gamepads and Emulators on FreeBSD – AlfaExploit

I found that but it didn't help (could be I am thinking in linuxisms when it comes to games)

Well, it works now after I followed that post I linked.

And I did get webcamd, and make patch and that

Is there any lakka-like project that is based on FreeBSD?

I know about GhostBSD and it is allegedly just FreeBSD with GUI installer or something

If I choose Full disk encryption at install, do I really need to encrypt swap? Wouldn't swap be encrypted as well?

Hi

I installed nerd fonts but still have issues with it on terminal?

zyxer: it might create an extra partition for swap which is not encrypted by default

on ZFS?

Wait, how can I check if I have swap?

df doesn't show any swap. Maybe df showing swap is linuxism?

swapctl -l

Thanks

How can I list paritions? And where they mounted or if they encrypted?

I have 4 partitions, and a .eli in /dev

ls /dev and grep the drive ada0, how I got the list.

The `mount` command shows a lot of that.

Otherwise `gpart show`

And, if you're using zfs: `zfs list`

If I run 'gpart show', I see the following partitions: freebsd-boot freebsd-swap and freebsd-zfs

thanks

Yes it seems swap is separate. I got so used to swap-files in penguin I assumed that FreeBSD would setup swapfile and not partition

Ok it seems my swap is not encrypted. Good opportunity to learn how geli works and manually encrypt it and all. But let's not do it now, I am not in the mood.

I don't even know if using a swap file on a zfs partition would work that well. Since zfs uses a lot of mem for caching

Thanks for the help

Oh, ok. I'll keep that in mind souji, thanks.

I tend to try things for the luls, but maybe swap file on ZFS is one thing to not try for the luls when I can get luls in better ways

With zfs, the usual thing to do is create a zvol for swap.

Oh, ok. The installer doesn't do that. But if that is the case then I can look into yeeting the swap partition and then add that bonus disk space to the ZFS partition, and then make a swap inside it. And since the ZFS partition is encrypted, the zvol swap should also be encrypted, right?

Yes. The zvol will be as encrypted as the zpool it is in.

Regarding swap limits, something else to check is the sysctl variables: hw.pagesize and vm.swap_maxpages

and now I'm wondering if I've created a dedicated GPT partition for swap

probably because you can't hibernate on a zvol? I don't remember....

in any case, know that if you have two geli() volumes with the same passphrase, you don't need to type it twice at boot time

I would also consider that a bug if you need to type the same thing 2 times.

most os are buggy in this regard

Linux is really terrifying here, just saying "Attempting to decrypt master key..." for 50 seconds is absolutely not helpful.

terminal settings in some cases.. in my case "macOS, iTerm2, a spilled beer" and a year later my "p" key now appears after any other character so commonly if i type phone .... i have to backspace or otherwise its hpone

logic board influenced

TUI

TUI > GUI

*sigh* i still wish there was an OSS TUI db system like dbase. something drop in dead simple, forms/searches with sqlite or similar

In this case it was "typing under influence" :D

Demosthenex: github.com/mathaou/termdbms

Title: GitHub - mathaou/termdbms: A TUI for viewing and editing database files.

dtomato: that's awfully close! too bad it's in go

ipv6 talking now is natural

why do you care with what language the devs punish themself?

dtomato: termdbms seems interesting

Can somebody look at this for me. trying to get my microphone working. i hvae a zoom call in 30 mins dpaste.org/mBUkg i think i need to use device.hints but i don't know which one to actually change

Title: dpaste/mBUkg (Python)

more verbose dpaste.org/3McOM

Title: dpaste/3McOM (Python)

pcm0 doesnt work ?

babz: i don't know. when i go to mictest.com or whatever i can't hear myself. let m try a zoom test call

nope babz i think i need to change a nid like from pcm0 to something else. if not ineed virtual_oss which i really don't know how to setup

if you're using firefox, I'm not sure it has OSS support

what browser should i use ?

I would recomment setting up pulseaudio

d

Ok im looking it up now

I did not need to do anything other than install firefox and run it in order to have sound working.

ok

Yea on the samsung note book spin 7 everything worked out the box

That did install and later launch pulseaudio automatically. I am playing an album from the net now and look and see that pulseaudio is running.

If you are squeezed for time then I suggest using whatever is already working. Debugging audio problems under time pressure is stressful.

yea i will use my workhorse i got a mbp next to me

jb1277976: what does mixer(8) say ?

Title: dpaste/prR8M (Python)

wat

oh speaker works fine

brb

I installed an emulator, it depended on like 3 different sound servers, so now I have pulseaudio, sndio, and jack installed

I think it uses sndio, since pulseaudio service not existent/enabled, jack is... I dunno, it is enabled and running but I only know it works with DJ software or music creation software (idfk I never used jack)

Yeah, thats the problem with prebuilt pkgs

Mixerctl is what I used to change audio

Oh, so, you mean I could remove that if I went to ports and compiled it myself?

Having it only want sndio?

Probably

What is the default in FreeBSD/the norm for sound server?

Whats the port ?

pcsx2

I, of course, am a law abiding citizen and just used my own ROM dumps and BIOS dumps

The binary is pcsx2-qt

But this setup, ryzen 3700u (laptop, integrated graphix) with FreeBSD and ps2 emulator seems to outperform a gaming laptop with GTX980m

nope you cant choose the audio backedns with USE_ variables in this port

I seriously doubt my laptop hardware is better than that GTX980m laptop (well, GPU, I guess CPU is way better). Could be the specific game I played on the 980 that has performance issues. But it feels like FreeBSD is running ps2 emulator way better than linux. Or perhaps I am very missinformed on the GTX980m performance. Maybe the 3700u graffix is amazing. Or the emulator is CPU heavy and it is

the CPU power that counts, then I would expect FreeBSD setup to perform better

GPU doesn't matter much in PS2 emulation, the "emotion engine" is closer to a cpu than it is to a modern gpu from what i heard. In my experience pcsx2 doesn't run at full speed on a modern dual core machine i tried while it ran alot better on a 2015 quad core laptop

Title: Howto: Enabling multimedia keys, gamepads/joysticks for desktop; usbhid | The FreeBSD Forums

I followed that guide before, and controller worked

Then I poweroff, eat and do other things, boot up and now controller no work

I tried redoing the steps

back

rwp: i have a usb dongle. its little pcm3: <USB audio> (rec)

should i just use that from now on?

hgame and xb369gp are loaded according to kldstat

jb1277976, Use whatever works best for you. If the onboard works then that is fine. If the onboard does not work but the USB does work then definitely use the USB.

Especially on brand new hardware there is often a problem of drivers not yet having been reverse engineered for them. In those cases the easiest thing is to avoid the problem by using a USB adaptor which has a working free driver already. Much less stress that way.

Makes sense

do you know how to make it my default micphone or will things just pick it up ?

device.hints probably ?

posting a bug report could help future driver developers. i'm thinking in particular of dumping platform-specific info such as ACPI tables. (isn't there a wiki page on this?)

babz: for device.hints ?

Ok so it seems kld must load cuse

Otherwise gamepad no workey for me

jb1277976: are you still having trouble choosing a default sound device?

hm, I know of dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi and bsd-hardware.info for dumping hardware details to, but I don't think what they kollect contains acpi tables

Title: NYC*BUG dmesgd

I've got mariadb1011-client-10.11.5 (with the matching server pkg) and want either p5-DBD-mysql or p5-DBD-MariaDB, but both want to install mysql80-client

how do I get around this? I certainly don't want to downgrade MariaDB server

funny... I ran this and there isn't even an 80 client available: pkg search mariadb | grep -i ^maria, it's all 10.x

rtprio: yes I know I can get my mic working through my speaker with device.hints I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm looking at man snd_hda

My USB dongle mic works perfectly

heya folks! I'm trying to send logs from jails to the host's syslog, and all the explanations seem to imply these logs can't just fold into the host's logs, I need to create remote-host specific rules and log-files and that sounds like way too much work.

might have to go bug dfr about extending the nullfs patch

meena: I was just thinking along the same lines, but sending jail "system" mail to the host

scoobybejesus: i absolutely do not want anyone to ever email me unless i sent them an email asking for it

i would like to be able to read mail from specific jails on the host rather than having to log into the jail.

scoobybejesus: i usually disable emailing for periodic and cron; they all have logs and i prefer looking at logs

I migth have to install rsyslog on the host

I'm not ready for that yet…

do we have any CAN bus capabilities in FreeBSD?

starting to think my hack with the symlinks wasn't so bad reviews.freebsd.org/D27411 , at least i didn't have to touch syslog.conf, which gives me bind.conf vibes

Title: ⚙ D27411 add altlog_jaillist to syslogd's rc script

jbo: check the source?