hi everyone! I was in here earlier asking about whether anyone's interestd in a project starting to autodoc the kernel compile options. What I want: to help users understand the options, track down their effect in source, and basically improve on LINT/NOTES. What I don't want: #1) NOT MAKING A GUI CONFIG TOOL! 2) Don't want to stand in the way of development in any way. 3) Don't want to have a tight dependency on

adoption by the kernel codebase. IF it gets included, cool, but if it's necessary then I've failed. Any feedback, ideas, or even rotten vegetables are welcome (looking at you rtprio!)

kevans: w00t! :) thanks

on beta1, after reboot, running freebsd-install yields "Installing updates...install: ///usr/include/c++/v1/__string exists but is not a directory" ... now all sorts of weird behavior, we'll see if a reboot helps

beta1 totally failed for me. couldnt even reboot. i'm dropped back to 13.2 via boot environment.

all was going well until running freebsd-update the 2nd time after reboot. after that, system was borked. was getting errors like "/bin/sh not found". had to hard reset, which resulted in a panic at boot.

open up a bug for it!

will do

and people fearmonger about changing root's shell due to borked updates lol

Nah, that's what rescue media is for.

what was the panic?

i'll have to trigger it again and take notes. i think something during the 2nd update deleted most of the OS. like an rm gone wild. the boot failed shortly after the loader.

markmcb: I've run into that error before a few times.

Deleting /usr/include/c++/v1 is what fixed it for me (backup/move the directory first and if the update succeeds after that, then it should be safe to delete, but caveat emptor).

I'm using pkgbase, which it doesn't sound like you are, but it had to do with how a particular part of base installed itself.

Though I will say that it didn't panic for me, it just wouldn't finish the install/update. I didn't reboot the system until after I fixed the issue, so that might have been the difference.

hi

does anyone know what font freebsd uses in the framebuffer console?

it there a way to determine if TRIM is being used on a device?

tunefs -p (if I recall correctly)

ppw: I believe the default font is Terminus 8x16

src/contrib/terminus certainly seems to suggest it ;)

src/sys/dev/vt/font/vt_font_default.c makes it pretty explicit

other fonts can be loaded with vidcontrol

They just need to be converted to the proper format, with vtfontcfg - which unfortunately only takes BDF or Unifont HEX.

Huh, I thought FreeBSD (outside of OpenSSL) didn't use SIMD stuff, but simd(7) seems to imply otherwise.

(Also, I only learned about simd(7) today, thanks to a commit by fuz@)

debdrup: he's been making loads of commits just like that for a month now

See freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/474408bb7933 and freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/de12a689fad2

Title: FreeBSD / src / 474408b / lib/libc/amd64/string: add strcspn(3) scalar, x86-64-v2 implementation - FreshBSD

meena: I haven't been around too much as of late, so..

how would you setup a freebsd vm for development?

Surely that depends on what you're going to be developing?

reverse proxy stack

Soni: do you plan to develop freebsd itself or test your software on freebsd?

My point was more that there's no "one true way", it depends on whatever you like using.

a vm on what host?

the latter

RhodiumToad: currently using a linux host

in that case, any way you like really

i use vmware for my freebsd vms on linux and a few bhyve-backed freebsd servers

"why write freebsd-only code then" because freebsd is better, particularly when it comes to documentation

there are VM images you can download or you can boot a VM from the install media and do an install

There are also ways to build custom images with the software you want to include, using either release(7) or poudriere.

Any clue why the vbox guest is crashing? pastebin.mozilla.org/FLuSEUMA

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/FLuSEUMA (Plain Code)

meena this is the paste you asked for the virt-manager pastebin.mozilla.org/w0yzt4c9

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/w0yzt4c9 (Plain Code)

Beladona: can you show me, `id`, and `ls -l /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock`

meena # ls -l /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock

srwx------ 1 root wheel 0 Sep 3 20:28 /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock=

Beladona: that means, it only works when run as root

meena if I run it as root, it gives this message: pastebin.mozilla.org/eTPS3NbR

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/eTPS3NbR (Plain Code)

Beladona: right. That should probably say something like: bhyve:///system then?

can you use pkg on BETA?

(or just stick to STABLE?)

meena bhyve seems to start working. will check. I guess I cannot use the vbox .vdi in qemu. Right?

Beladona: no, but you can convert it with qemu-img

meena ok thanks. any info on why vbox is crashin?

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/FLuSEUMA (Plain Code)

how do you bootstrap the ports collection without going through binary package management?

just download/extract it or clone it

Soni: make install still does pkg install

any reason not to use HEAD?

meena I am doing `qemu-img convert -f vdi -O qcow2 xubuntu.vdi xubuntu.qcow2`

Soni: other than having to build it yourself every so often and only being able to run latest packages (if you want pre-built without doing it yourself), not really. it's a bit more experimental, but i find it doesn't break very often

Soni: if you follow commits and freebsd-current@ you know when not to upgrade

for example, right now, some string functions in libc are broken in exciting new ways

Title: 273652 – libc: broken memchr(3) after base de12a689fad2

meena: oh we mean for ports collection

currently on 13.2-STABLE we think?

I am always on latest,

meena I made .qcow2 but not sure how to  use it in qemu.

 Its not importing it

what's it saying?

checking/ tweaking

meena pastebin.mozilla.org/v5q2wgXd

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/v5q2wgXd (Plain Code)

Beladona: can i recommend taking this to #virt on oftc?

oftc?

they'll probably ask for a paste is the XML for that machine

Beladona: oftc.net

Title: OFTC - Home

ok

qemu, libvirt and ask related projects are there. as are the official Debian channels

s/ask/all/

n.b.: Debian. the official Ubuntu channels are here, on libra

qemu issue on freebsd a) no UVF/OVMF firmware image b) failed to find default network. pastebin.mozilla.org/dy00wEx9

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/dy00wEx9 (Plain Code)

meena but they will most probably say 'you are on wrong channel. go to #freebsd'

Beladona: there's also freebsd people in those channels

ok

we have qemu-bsd-user is in active development, so there's freebsd folks who sit there, and stare at qemu code

ok

and the qemu code stares back

Hello folks. Something happened to firefox semi-recently where it now refuses to work unlesss I set kern.elf64.allow_wx=1

I would like to keep wx disabled, does anybody know if firfox can be tuned to work with kern.elf64.allow_wx=0?

I am running 14-CURRENT

(or rather 15 now :)

The UI loads up, but every tab has a message "Gosh! This tab has crashed"

ngortheone: unfortunately I think you're going to have to do a lot of digging to find the issue. do you have the last known working version available?

this bug seems to be about this too: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=272767

Title: 272767 – www/firefox: 116.0 all tabs crash if kern.elf64.allow_wx=0

emaste: I don't remember somwhere after version 102

interestingly thunderbird works fine

I disabled JIT related settings in both FF and thunderbird

with no result

meena the folks there say you got to create a bridge device. I wonder how

firefox-esr (which is version 102) seems to be working fine..

meena this maybe docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/…vanced-networking/#network-bridging

Title: Chapter 34. Advanced Networking | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Beladona: looks good to me. i guess you have to designate a bridge for libvirt

`ifconfig bridge create ; ifconfig bridge0 addm fxp0 addm fxp1 up`  <-- I hope this will not interfere with my existing things, network etc going on?

Beladona: fxp0 is an example device. what does `ifconfig` show?

oh meena pastebin.mozilla.org/hVz8P1DX

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/hVz8P1DX (Plain Code)

Title: fxp

meena rec0 is the one I am using.

when branching of stable happens ( for example newly added stable/14 ) is debugging left enabled ( Like in CURRENT ) or disabled?

should be disabled on branches... but don't take my word for it

is why i asked

angry_vincent: freebsd/freebsd-src 29a16ce

Title: release: update stable/14 following branching from main · freebsd/freebsd-src@29a16ce · GitHub

Oh ... how nice. :( freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-EN-23:09.freebsd-update.asc

Glad I waited to do patching on my hosts until this weekend. :)

yuripv: thank you

unixman_home: note that's for upgrade, not -pX patch

emaste, yep. I was using "patching" as a catchall. Mea culpa. I also ran "freebsd-update upgrade" on two of the RELEASE systems this morning. I am thinking that error would have affected me had I done that last month.

meena I got disconnected. Did I missed anything?

Beladona: nothing directed at you

ok

unixman_home: I just mean there's no ugrency to apply this change, it's only important to install it before you want to upgrade to 13.3

Okay.

_xor: thanks. sounds like the same issue. any idea the root cause of that? i.e., i have no idea what /usr/include/c++/v1 is for. i don't compile anything.

meena, I remember when fxp(4) was in wide use.

CrtxReavr: Same, they were pretty common I remember.

emaste: seems to be duplicate .Sh (.Sh .Sh) in your latest commit

markmcb: Headers for that specific version of stdlib or whatnot. Though I did wonder why string was an issue at first, because I assumed it was alphanumerically sorted, and so others would preceed string.

_xor: i'm going to try again now and see how it goes. if i run into the same issue i'll give this a shot.

ok, so i've rebooted. freebsd-update install reports the same error: "Installing updates...install: ///usr/include/c++/v1/__string exists but is not a directory"

followed by "install: ///usr/include/c++/v1/__string/char_traits.h: Not a directory"

and "install: ///usr/include/c++/v1/__string/extern_template_lists.h: Not a directory"

the install process continues to run ... i'll leave it alone for a few minutes and see if it destroys itself again

This makes me think I should snag the beta and try it.

Where are the beta images? There's only alpha in download.freebsd.org/snapshots/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/14.0

Title: Index of /snapshots/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/14.0/

Ah, download.freebsd.org/releases/ISO-IMAGES/14.0

Title: Index of /releases/ISO-IMAGES/14.0/

so the installer finished this time without a flood of errors ... time to reboot and see

all seems well now ... i wish i had copied all the errors on the first failure ... hmmmm

Hello, Is there a terminal program to play music on freshly installed fb without desktop env. I've tried some musikcub cmus but mpv wasn't available on pkg installation list.

trying to update packages on 14-BETA1 and getting "SSL certificate subject doesn't match host pkg0.fra.freebsd.org"

I made the repos https instead of http

is that not supported until the release?

removed s, now i get: pkg: Error fetching pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64/quarterly/Latest/pkg.txz: Not Found

is "pkg bootstrap -f" not the way to go?

librton, Check if "mpg123" & "mplayer" would work for you

oh wait, i just noticed that url is "quarterly/latest"

markmcb: probably quarterly is not yet built for 14?

yep, it was a typo in my repo url

thanks

parv: where can I paste the output error?

... perhaps there could some other software by now. Search the package comment ("pkg search --comment term") or description ("pkg search --description term")

Topic of this channel has: Pastbin: bsd.to

Title: dpaste

s/tb/teb/

I'm not sure if this could be a result of trying to play the music on fb headless device while ssh into it.

output error from mpg123 pastebin.com/PQSkQKQJ

Title: $ mpg123 Melodic.mp4 High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Laye - Pastebin.com

markmcb: pkg+http is checked differently, because it's a global DNS mirror

I was hoping 14 would improve PR 273372 but no such luck. I posted the devlog.

273372 – SR-IOV Networking in Bhyve Causes Chelsio T520-SO-CR to Fail on Host, Kernel Panic if Reset bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=273372

Not a freebsd issue, but only happening on my freebsd boxes... for some reason my samba-based (AD) users keep reverting to the wrong IDs for UID and GID... net cache flush fixes it for about 30 seconds

zfsonlinux.topicbox.com/groups/zfs-…526895412-Mf1d5884fc8fe90599cf174a7 is an interesting read

Title: Topicbox

debdrup, Interesting indeed. Thanks