rtprio: I figured it out, lsblk prints out one option and /dev/ufs/mylabel worked

I think glabel would produce /dev/label/mylabel instead

weirdly it didn't print diskid for this device though

i don't have any /dev/ufs/

i also have /dev/diskid/disk-vgb12345r

ungoogled-chromium taking like 1000G virt memory normal?

sounds like a browser

hay anyone know if the wayland stuff works on alpha14? I'm stuck onthis part postimg.cc/yDkcnqTy

Title: capture05 1516 — Postimages

Too much is going in that image😵

But don't mind me as I cannot help wit Wayland issues

Hello guys, question about scripts

say I have a long running task, and infinite while loop

if I press ctrl+c to abort, it will hit the long running task and terminate it, but how to stop the general infinite loop ?

is there a way in CSH to catch previously pressed ctrl+c

In bourne-like shell, there is "trap"; perhaps csh has similar?

One would be catching the keyboard-interrupt signal

didn't found that in csh ( the thing that is run sh )

parv, thanks for reply

just run process background and waiting for pid now

i guess its a kinda solution but ...

nerozero, What code do you have?

parv: csh is very limited wrt scripting.

meena, (I try my best to stay away) nerozero is the one in need of help.

nerozero: i love csh for interactive use, but it's no use for scripting

collecting ping statistics for certain amount of time and then stripping packet loss stats then building

parv, the csh is enough to do the most things I need, its fast and posix like

I care not for csh. Interactive or otherwise

going to fancy shamcy shells will prevent running things on the "stock" platforms

i'm kind of a posix oriented person :)

if you want posix, you want ksh, or sh. but definitely not csh.

meena, csh is a "stock" sh implementation in bsd,

no. csh is a stock csh implementation.

my idea is to make a script which will run on a fresh installed system or even on a life cd

and sh should be fine for that, especially if you need singal trapping. Or, like, functions.

run /bin/sh on a bsd

which shell it will be ?

echo $SHELL -> csh

@_@

what's wrong with your system?

nerozero: That should never be the case.

on a live usb stick? from bsd?

Root's shell is csh, but that's not /bin/sh

could you please run now /bin/sh

to be fair, when i invoke it, it says $SHELL is /usr/local/bin/fish

so, I wouldn't trust $SHELL.

mason: since 14 (at least), root's shell is /bin/sh

maybe i'm wrong, but this is for ages bsd sh was a csh

now @13.2

what is your environment value of $SHELL when you run /bin/sh ?

anyway ...

this is ridiculous: env -i SHELL=/bin/sh sudo -H -iu meena /bin/sh

$ echo $SHELL

fish

LOL

anyway. ignore the SHELL variable. Focus on what's important.

sooo ... I guess this comes from user profile and set whule logging in

no idea where it's coming from, honestly

but it seems to work when i login as root, who has /bin/sh as shell.

sh really needs a -l option, for run a login shell

anyway I took to much time ... :) thank you for replies

nerozero: Yeah, confirmed, it's as we're saying.

thank you

nerozero: 0x0.st/HLTq.jpg

mason, your word is pretty much enough

but thank you for testing that

y'all can also try to run something csh like in sh, or vice versa to see. The two shells have different syntax.

need to review my knowledge in this context

Oh, I didn't show $SHELL.

:)

csh is a shell *for* POSIX, not defined by POSIX.

anyway all my scripts had #!/bin/sh - so ....

The $SHELL variable doesn't change, but it's distinctly one or the other. Example with syntax emerging presently.

I had only a nameing issue in my mind, will modify that, :)

nerozero: Here, this is more definitive: 0x0.st/HLTb.jpg

OH BLESS YOU !!!! !

Now I know the issues of my errors with redirecting stderr !

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

That was an overkill !

Nah, if it was useful I'm glad.

It was very useful!

Incidentally, that's the only reason why I don't use csh - I've got sh syntax embedded in my brain, and I have to stop and think how to do things in csh too actively.

I actually use bash as a user shell because it lets me mix vi-mode and emacs-mode interactions seamlessly, but I *never* use bashisms, just pure sh.

(Sometimes I use a variant of ksh, also.)

mason, re: c?sh, 🤝🏽

I've thought about zsh, but it doesn't interweave vi and emacs mode stuff the way bash (or, readline) does.

meena, r u girl ?

nerozero: i'm 39 years old. I'm def not a girl.

:)

fish - she... ok

zsh is very slow and laggy

I prefer fish too

just for things like: cd /u/l/e/namedb ...

and awesome context support withoutdoing modification

now lets see if i can get back into hacking on virtio, or at least its documentation

me fighting with ISP...

hrm, i'm trying to get factorio headless server (for linux) running in a freebsd jail with linux compat enabled. i'm seeing missing libs. dpaste.org/qQSX2/raw

any ideas? i'd really prefer to keep a freebsd jail rather than setup an ubuntu jail

that seems like an issue with that particular Linux distro copy, which distro is that?

i do have linux_base-c7-7.9.2009_1 installed

its a linux binary, in a freebsd jail with linux binary compatability enabled

I'm running stable/13 with Ubuntu 22 in a jail

yes, i'd just prefer not to make a debian or ubuntu jail

linux_base-c7-7.9.2009_1 is probably centos, can't help with that

Demosthenex: Hm, I recall that Factorio stopped working on EL7 because it wanted (arbitrary) a newer glibc.

Demosthenex: They had no need for it, so it was arbitrary breakage for lots of players.

I imagine you'll have to move to something else as your Linux base for that jail.

yeah, i'm pretty sure i can get it working if i make a debian jail

antranigv has a nice guide for setting up Devuan in a jail.

just trying to stay native ;]

People report Debian working, but it must have been with systemd, as Debian with sysvinit glitches on debootstrap install.

*puke*

on my last homeserver, i ran devuan

and i had to doctor up the glibc

but that was due to devuan being old i thought

i'm hoping a thin debian or ubuntu jail won't be too bad :P

adyxax.org/blog/2022/11/13/running-…o-server-in-a-linux-jail-on-freebsd that's a decent one

Title: Running a Factorio server in a linux jail, on FreeBSD | Yet Another SysAdmin Website

though i'll let bastille do all the work of setting up a linux jail

meh, i'll setup a ubuntu focal jail i guess

When is it necessary to use net/intel-*-kmod instead of the corresponding driver in the base?

Demosthenex: There's a new Devuan released yesterday fwiw.

based on Debian bookworm, so quite new

mason: yeah, it seems bastille only supports a few linux distros and versions.

wait, what? you can run linux in a freebsd jail?

no, you can run linux binaries in there

ah, ok

as freebsd kernel can do good share of linux kernel functionality and emulate its binary interface

markmcb: basically with the linux binary compat, you install a linux distro in the jail's chroot env, but the kernel environment is all freebsd.

in my case, that means i get more linux libraries than are included in the default compatability layer

by adding a whole OS to run in compat mode :P

pffft

overkill

CmdLnKid: yeah, well i posted the libs i'm missing, i can't seem to find a better way. =]

compile and install them in some prefix, add them into a lib path ?

not saying there is anything wrong with what you are doing but looking at the minimal point

yeah, me too. but glibc even?

why not ?

hrm, i mean maybe i can do a debootstrap inside my freebsd jail to add some libs

mount_unionfs may come in handy if you don't want to polute what you already have unless you have snapshots on zfs

Title: mount_unionfs

would 3 usb disk 4 5 6 t in zfs be faster than each one ufs jounalled soft updates?

would zfs stack the speed?

context ?

my desktop has 256g ssd and 3 external spindisk usb drive 4 5 6 t

right nwo I run the 3 disk each ufs jounal soft update

if I put them in zfs in 1 pool

would things speed up?

network is slower than any 1 disk

you are only limited by your bus speeds at that point

I do run bittorrent with stuff on all 3

ah bus speed! ok I can't change that

exactly

seems network would be slower than any 1 disk anyow so maybe im good

ah 1 more question

you may be capable of getting peak performance at two usb sticks but when you add three... boom

chrome crashed and is now white screen when started....

ungoogled-chrome

anyone know whats that all abot?

ungoogled-chromium

to be exact

dunno. move your . directory out of the way to keep your settings and you can copy history, cookies etc... back into a newly created one

.chrome-foo -> .chrome-foo.orig

hmmm ok

Anyone heard of RGnets?

Or their RXG appliance product?

hi

I'm going to port the `bc` from either OpenBSD or FreeBSD.

Port it to...

?

Rust!

freebsd has two bc implementations last I looked

RhodiumToad: also this one git.gavinhoward.com/gavin/bc

Title: gavin/bc: An implementation of Unix dc and POSIX bc with GNU and BSD extensions. Finished, but well-maintained. - bc - Gavin D. Howard Gitea

that's one of the two

some version of Gavin's bc is the one in contrib/bc, while the traditional one is in usr.bin/{bc,dc}

Wait does The Heirloom Project have one?

(traditional bc is just a frontend to traditional dc)

mmmm

Nice, SunOS's is just Makefile.mk bc.1 bc.y lib.b yyval.sed

dc is just CVS Makefile.mk dc.1 dc.c dc.h version.c

usr/src/cmd/bc: Makefile bc.y lib.b.data

Damnnn this will be easy to port

RELNOTES: Note the deprecation of 32-bit platforms for 15.0.

hmm

"In particular, at present there is a fair bit of interest in retaining armv7 support in 15.0 at least." -- also interested in this

i mean, this 32 bit thing, many ppl still on 8GB memory.. so seems 32 bit seems still somewhat usefull, if you thing about IoT and controllers, 32 should get more consideration, not??

assuming you have a 4GB machine, tell me one reason why you would't want 32 bit.. only reason is because everybody else is on 64 bit..

but i can't imagine any other reason

so if you got this 400 bucks rpi 4 8gb machine, more power to u

just looking at real world, i have the folling machines: 32gb mem, 8gb, 16, 32, 2.. all64 bit, but why should't i use 32 bit on the 2gb machine?

and to be honest, i feel the 2gb at times, all the others i don't care

actually i care the one 32 gb machine, because it is the build machine, but i don't even know which is the other 32 gb machine

<offtopic/>

what sort of consideration are you looking for?

a lot of programs use almost twice as much memory on 64bit as on 32bit, so the fact that you _can_ run 64bit on smaller memory systems doesn't necessarily make it useful

i suppose the size of the word is twice as big on 64bit eh

(does anyone use jail/epair and bhyve vm's on the same bridges?)

for pointers, yes

mason: one question about your JailsEpair article, is why do i need to give the bridge an ip address?

rtprio: In my case, it's because that's also my host IP.

So, my host communicates through the same bridge.

it's also possible to have the host's ip on the host's physical interface instead, but I've had weird failures and errors when doing that.

that strikes me as unusual, but i can't put my finger on it

having the host's ip on the bridge has worked better for me.

I need to go through all my pages and freshen them up.

yeah, that bug you referenced is closed, i noticed

perhaps if the reply hits the bridge, it doesn't make it back into the host side of the epair

or the host gobbles them up, i'm a bit confused

( i have my bhyve bridge attached to lagg0.1, and it's worked mostly fine up to this point)

why is my buildworld still running after 3hr

RhodiumToad: rust in base now? :P

mason: soon™

Soon™

RhodiumToad: i think it's a good sign of an engineer, and a terrible sign of what they've been thru

the actual change is one line of code, one line of manpage

see bug 271817

271817 – sed: range change with N results in no output bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=271817

oh that thing

buildworld+buildkernel completed after almost exactly 4hr