polyex: jails don't have to be persistent, btw

tho it might help to have persistent jails for getting startup a few ms faster.

but then how do FaaS providers handle it so when a request comes in, the jail's started so the request can be handed off?

polyex: request comes into a proxy, which speaks to a daemon, asking it to start a specific jail, or a function in a specific jail. When that deamon gives an ok, the proxy passes on the request. Once the request is finished, the proxy tells the daemon to shutdown the jail.

and that can all happen fast enough to serve requests on production traffic?

jail startup is pretty much as fast as process startup

if your traffic can be delayed long enough to wait for a process to shutdown, then, yes, it's fast enough

anyway, it's bed time. I'm really tired…

sleep good

I've been capturing some thoughts on what sets FreeBSD apart from Linux. If you're bored, I'd love feedback: markmcb.com/freebsd/vs_linux/summary

Title: FreeBSD vs. Linux: Summary - Mark McBride

there is already a ton of think pieces on the topic

llua: true. i find many only scratch the surface and don't give examples. or read like zealotry. so i tried to avoid that.

I stuggle with those because I see some common strengths as being weaknesses.

I think if you're going to tackle Linux vs FreeBSD, it's worth mentioning how comprehensive the handbook and man pages are.

And compare that to the mishmash of conflicting Linux info on the web

Because there's more misinformation about Linux floating around out there than there is good, useful and up to date info.

From a dev standpoint I also appreciate that you have a full dev environment in the FreeBSD default install.

And BSD libc is vastly superior to Glibc (although Musl is not bad).

jeang3nie: i tried to show the doc difference is focus topics like the boot process 127.0.0.1:8000/freebsd/vs_linux/cohesive_boot_process

haha, that's obviously the wrong link

Title: Cohesive Boot Process - Mark McBride

the docs thing is a good example of why i wrote that. i read so many times "the docs are good" but that doesn't mean much to me. having specific examples of how the docs are better drives the point much better.

i don't know enough about bsd libc to compare it to glibc

not sure why you'd want to do that anyway

markmcb: to be fair, almost every commercial distro has comprehensive information, for their own distro, locked behind a paywall

@meena: are you saying good FreeBSD info is locked behind some corporate wall?

markmcb: no. other way around

markmcb: if you want documentation on par with FreeBSD's, you may have to pay for a RHEL license

you don't have to pay

Red Hat's formal documentation is all freely licensed. Their knowledge-base is partially open, although I'm not remembering the licensing.

llua: I've hit a lot of Redhat links in search of solutions, that didn't show the full text

ah, what mason said then

But having to sign up for a gratis developer account to see it isn't ideal.

meena: When I was there I popped open access pretty often, but since I left I've seen articles I touched go back to paywalled.

for me the docs missing weren't the "how to" docs, but the "why should a two decades user of linux even bother considering freebsd"

ive ran into plenty of kb articles that needed a rhel subscription

one of the reasons i moved to debian at home.

that and the centos cloud circus

s/cloud/stream/

but yeah

stream, right. so lame i must have put the name out of memory

heh

markmcb: i learned multiple new things by reading through what you've written. i think you chose good topics to lightly drill down into

scoobybejesus: thanks, that's great!

hrm, it doesn't seen trivial to go back in time with -current

/usr/src/sys/ddb/db_input.c:373:1: error: a function definition without a prototype is deprecated in all versions of C and is not supported in C2x [-Werror,-Wdeprecated-non-prototype]

or i find a SATA card in town today

rtprio: WITHOUT_WERROR?

I connected an Acer V7 22" monitor that allows 1920x1080 resolution, but I can only select 1600x900. Also when connecting other brands I see the monitor name in the screen selector in XFCE, but with this monitor I only see "Monitor".

Does anyone know if I must install a driver for it?

BTW, the monitor is connected using the VGA cable to an NVIDIA GForce GT 710

the highest resolution you can get on a VGA cable may depend on the selected refresh rate

Hello there, FreeBSD newbie here. I'm trying to a bind a PCI device to the NVMe driver and could use some help (the device uses a custom class code so it doesn't bind automatically). Here is what I tried:

pciconf shows the device as none0@pci0:0:9:0.

I then tried "devctl set driver pci0:0:9:0 nvme", but that fails with "Device not configured".

So I did a "devctl disable pci0:0:9:0", then the set driver.

This "works" and then pciconf shows the device as nvme0@pci0:0:9:0.

But there is no device on /dev, which I assume is because I need to enable the device again.

So I did "devctl enable pci0:0:9:0", but then it fails with "Device not confgured" again.

RhodiumToad: it only shows 59.82Hz

martinrame: check the Xorg log to see what modelines (if any) are shown for it

RhodiumToad: no, there aren't

restart X with the monitor connected and see?

meena: yeah, needing a subscription doesn't mean you have to pay for said subscription.

RhodiumToad: Let me try that in a couple of minutes

I have an iSCSI initiator correctly auto-connecting on restart. What is the preferred way to have the device automounted after iscsi connection? If through /etc/fstab, are there recommended mount options?

hi FreeBSD people !

Having an issue on FreeBSD's ctld (iSCSI) with an OpenBSD client - Im getting messages like: received PDU with CmdSN 3048678851, while expected 3048678867

not sure what to make out of it

it must be iscsi day

rtprio: is it?

oh

someone above you asked about it too

/usr/local/include/X11/Xutil.h:755:5: error: unknown type name 'wchar_t' Could it be that Xutil.h shall include #define <stddef.h> but it does not in FreeBSD?

or it just assumes you will include wchar.h yourself before including Xutil.h

whoever uploaded bsdcan videos to youutube - thank you!

Im moving from compiling ports by hand to pouderie ... and realizing for having used FreeBSD for years I have some blind spots around how packages and dependencies work... I'm trying to install a pkg of a port I compiled in pouderie and pkg keeps trying to replace my heimdal kerberos with MIT. That was never a problem with manually compiling the ports. Is there a way to override what pkg is trying to do or to see what's going on?

heh, no one can spell that thing

I speak French and I've given up :)

SpaceBass: yes; probably one port required heimdal and another one you built needs mit

Well it seems they can't coexist and now I can't finish updating/installing :/

can you identify what package heimdal was installed for

I assume its samba... is there a package command like info -d that shows what requires something (rather than what dependencies a package has)?

Hello. I am currently reading information about the freeBSD operating system. Please tell me, does the freeBSD operating system loader support booting other operating systems, namely windows 10?

Ah, maybe I need to change the make defaults for the jail?

SpaceBass: i know you can `make config` for a port, but don't recall the procedure for poudres

Kit_Leopold: i've done it before, but it was a while ago

rtprio: My computer has two hard drives. Windows 10 is installed on one hard drive. So I can install the freeBSD operating system and when I turn on the computer, the freeBSD bootloader will give me the opportunity to select the operating system I need? I mean about the GRUB bootloader, I just thought it might be possible to do without it.

Sorry, I didn't write correctly. I know there is a bootloader called GRUB, I figured I could do without it if the freeBSD bootloader is capable of booting other systems.

the freebsd bootloader is capable to boot windows see docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/boot

Title: Chapter 15. The FreeBSD Booting Process | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Please excuse me for asking this question and not reading up to chapter 15. Thank you for your reply.

but with uefi you could also install two efi loader inside your efi boot partition and select the os before the bootloader of the os

satanist: On my computer, the Windows 10 operating system is installed in UEFI GPT mode. Thanks for the tip, I will need to read the motherboard manual on how to choose a bootloader.

usually f11/f12?

normaly it's shown on early boot

I'll try to check it later