Does anyone know why LLVM on FreeBSD isn't built with Polly support or why the port doesn't have an option to enable it? Does it not compile on FreeBSD?

PaddyMac: Don't know, but it might be worth looking at releases.llvm.org/download.html to see if they ship it themselves.

Polly is shipped as part of the LLVM code base. It's an additional project that can be built.

Title: Polly - Getting Started

if it can be built independently of llvm proper then it probably should be a separate port

hello I am new intallation of freebsd on a Dell Vostro 200 an old computer and I cannot get the xorg to work

what kind of GPU?

it's integrated with the chip I would say there's no special gpu Intel

Intel duo core i386

pciconf -lv should tell you the vendor and chip ids even for integrated GPUs

ok just a second let me bring this laptop down the stair

what's the actual CPU type as shown in /var/run/dmesg.boot ?

(there's about 8-12 lines of CPU info starting with the CPU: line)

device = '82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller' vendor=0x8086 device=0x29c2 <-- so that's the GPU, let me look it up

This is still a development branch and, at any given time, the sources for FreeBSD-STABLE may or may not be suitable for general use

this this true? what should i use then?

thank you RhodiumToad how do you look it up out of curiosity it's a sauna in this part of the room it's literally 29 degrees celsius :D

uuidNuniq: what do you want to do?

I should have just ssh'ed into the computer :D

paul2: personally I look these things up in the source code of the drm-kmod port

RhodiumToad: i see, i think i need -RELEASE

interesting

i am from linux world, -STABLE sounds like a LTS to me :)

but actually, -RELEASE is suitable for daily use. this is somehow confused me

uuidNuniq: RELEASE versions are for general use, they get security and errata patches in binary form via freebsd-update (in addition to getting them in git)

yeah, i am reading freebsd.org/where

Title: Get FreeBSD | The FreeBSD Project

now i see, but why do they call a dev branch -STABLE?

uuidNuniq: STABLE branches are development for the next RELEASE of a given major version, they have a stable ABI and API, but new features are added as well as bugs fixed

uuidNuniq: CURRENT branch is the development of the next major release, it's where all the real work happens

(new features that appear in STABLE are always taken from CURRENT development)

(CURRENT's ABI is not stable)

FreeBSD-13.2-RELEASE-arm64-aarch64-bootonly.iso.xz it is. thanks RhodiumToad

both STABLE and CURRENT are only for people who are OK with compiling the system themselves and getting security and bug fixes only in source form

paul2: so it looks like the intel gpu driver in drm-kmod should recognize that GPU

paul2: what have you tried so far to get xorg working?

so much stuff literally I tried making .conf files, adding the kld load i915kms or whatever it is, removing the driver adding the driver, adding vesa driver, xorg -configure, etc..

a lot of stuff and no luck

installing other desktop environments lxde mate enlightenment etc..

what freebsd version?

13.2 release i386

ok. first make sure the drm-kmod port is installed

how?

Did you install xf86-video-intel?

what does pkg info drm-kmod say?

xf86-video-intel no package

Did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log

If the X server is trying to start but fails, that should tell you why or at least give you a clue.

Lines with (EE) especially.

Anywa, I wish I stay and help, but I'm already up much later than I ought to be.

termbin.com/9kkp xorg.0.log

no screens found

sometimes fonts missing and the start lxde is a different error

cannot open display

don't jump around, we'll do things systematically

thank you

Good luck and good night

remove any configuration files for xorg that you've added (e.g. in xorg.conf[.d])

make sure i915kms is loaded in the kld_list entry in /etc/rc.conf and not mentioned in /boot/loader.conf

remove or disable anything you've set up to run X on startup, e.g. a display manager

ok all done

then reboot, and check that the screen mode changes during startup (after the kernel is loaded, during normal multiuser startup, you should see messages from the DRM driver and it should change the display mode)

(don't try and start X yet)

k

give me a few minutes

just got to go downstairs I think and push f1, etc..

ok back all done

did you see the display mode change?

I didn't check but I can I am in via ssh

it's 29 degrees downstairs and humid

just a second

if you look at the output from dmesg, what does it say about drm?

it's going to be a bit hard to work through this if you're not actually looking at the display :-)

I looked at the display there's no appreciable difference

ok, what's in the dmesg output?

also what's the output of find /dev -group video -ls

termbin.com/4nsh dmesg | grep drm

termbin.com/py4kw dmesg

termbin.com/zwi9 find /dev -group video -ls

qemu on macOS (SoC M1) uses 400% CPU, while the installed freebsd idle is 99%

paul2: that all looks good so far. were you trying startx as root, or as your own user?

as root

there is no user

ok, just remember that if you want to run any significant X stuff as a non-root user you'll need to add them to the video group

next step, if you do startx as root, what ends up in the Xorg.0.log

going to try it now

just did the groupmod video -m paul2

xorg.0.log

that worked, then?

no it didn't

but I tried Xorg -configure

will let you know if that works

don't do that

what actually happened with startx then?

ok

it just gives me 3 screens

yes, that's what it's supposed to do

and then it didn't work and startlxde

ok that's it?

the 3 tiny screens?

if you want to start a desktop environment, that's the next stage

ok

startx is just to start a (by default) very basic set of apps, but the fact that it worked means that the X server itself is working

ok but I had that before but interesting

the next step is either to set up a display manager, or to use whatever desktop environment's startup command instead of startx

ok I did startlxde

(lxsession:1372): Gtk-WARNING **: 02:00:59.941: cannot open display:

I don't want the display manager I actually remember the dos and windows from back in the day and although windows all the time was cool I like the idea to go back to that era

you did startlxde from outside X?

where a terminal is a valid option as well but desktop is an option

yes

it works this way on my laptop somehow

it looks like it expects to run from within X, e.g. from .xinitrc

yes I might have done something back in the laptop I don't remember

I'm not familiar with lxde myself

.xinitrc contains commands that are run by startx once the X server is up. if it doesn't exist, you get those three terminal windows

I have mate also but lxde is the best one Lightweight X Desktop Environment

interesting

man startx has some examples of what you can do with it, it looks like you'd run exec startlxde as the last thing in the file

what about for mate?

no idea

look at the docs for mate? this is not freebsd-specific

(personally I prefer a display manager, and I don't like "desktop environments", so I just use xdm and twm)

ok I found it in the docs with the help of the added understanding I gained from you

just now

but the thing I don't understand is if I do startlxde how does that work?

it also needs a line in xinitrc?

Title: Installation | MATEwiki

from the error message you showed from startlxde, it expects the X server to be already up, so you should be doing it from within .xinitrc

I added the line to xinitrc and it didn't help

for mate

generally what you put in .xinitrc is commands to initialize the server to your preferences, e.g. using xrdb to load a .Xresources, and then end it with an exec of whatever window manager or desktop environment you're using

what exactly did you add?

root@kagan:~ # cat ~/.xinitrc

exec ck-launch-session mate-session

that's ~/.xinitrc and you tried running startx then?

what happened?

same as before 3 screens

running startx as which user?

paul2

and ls -l ~paul2/.xinitrc shows what?

no such file or directory

so... where did you put it?

in ~root/.xinitrc

probably

~/.xinitrc as root

well, obviously ~/.xinitrc is per-user

so create the correct file and try again :-)

ok I loaded it in root and it's working but I added the line to paul2 as well

it seems like it's working I mean the comp is a little slow so it was loading

thank you I will just confirm it in a second

confirmed it works

thank you but a question is what do I need to do to get lxde to work cause on this laptop for example I can either startx or startxfce4 I think

so do I need to edit xinitrc as well?

startxfce4 isn't like startlxde, you use it in place of startx

ok

so I would need to change it in the xinitrc file in order to run it basically?

no, what did I just say?

for startlxde I am asking

right now I am doing mate

but I was wondering if I wanted to right lxde instead of mate

oh, right; if you want startlxde then put that in place of mate, yes

I see thank you

I find it weird that my old laptop from 1997 seemed to run windows 95 easily but now the desktop environment on a 20xx something computer it hardly works for :D which mystifies me but I will leave that question hanging I suppose

going to wish you a good night

farewell

I ran X with twm and various apps on a machine of similar vintage without issues (until the machine died)

interesting

I cannot understand that

but twm is kind of old-school

I stupidly gave away my old machine

(literally, i used it at university in 1988)

I was stupid I gave the old machine away I have regrets doing so but it's done

ls

thank you good night

mine was from high school when I did my best work

I want to change mouse pointer (to a larger size and possible to a different color). Everytime I set it, and open a new app in awesomewm, it reverts it back to the normal/original one. How can i do it? Currently I am doing it like this `xsetroot -xcf /usr/local/share/icons/redglass/cursors/top_left_arrow 64` I use freebsd 13.2 but I am hopeful this

is same in Linux as well as I also use ubuntu.

sorry for offtopic and advertisment, but it means something to me because i was there in the 90s - gofundme.com/f/rettet-die-rave-the-planet-parade

Title: Fundraiser by Ellen Dosch-Roeingh : Rettet die Rave The Planet Parade!

save the loveparade!

Beladona: does that still occur when you set that line in ~/.xinitrc?

TommyC yes. at start it ok, but when I launch an app, it resets

awesome is reseting things it seems

Beladona: seems that way, I don't use awesomewm so I can't help you there

mouse pointer in general changes according to what window it's over, anyway

RhodiumToad yes. so how do i change per window everytime, all the time

TommyC ^

same issue here like I have in awesomewm bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=264003

Title: [SOLVED] AwesomeWM cursor not changing (LXAppearance) / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums

Re bbs.archlinux thread, Damn thing has "[SOLVED]" label but nothing (else) is there that gives such an indication

it has this link: wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cursor_themes#Configuration

Title: Cursor themes - ArchWiki

which seems to be the thing

Saw that; OP did not say what had actually worked. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Oh well

RhodiumToad should I follow wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cursor_themes#Configuration

Title: Cursor themes - ArchWiki

most of it, obviously not the bits that are specific to archlinux

which desktop env does freebsd uses? kdm or ?

whichever one you install

none by default, I use KDE

"desktop environments" are just packages that you can install and use like any other software

when I used FreeBSD, I used Xfce

CmdLnKid paulf RhodiumToad  Reinhilde if I use awesomwm, then what I have?

you.. have awesomewm, if you use awesomewm

... handbook

Hilighting multiple people to get an answer is generally frowned upon.

:(

just use a DE that you like and fits your needs

meena: Regarding the Oracle payment error, I got an email from them now saying they have "identified the issue and made some adjustments." Will give it another go when I become less comatose.

did you email them complaining, or did they proactively mail you?

I complained

ok cool

I'll try again, and if it doesn't work, also complain

whatcha gettin from oracle ?

;-)

Headaches, probably. But I'm hoping to get a test builder for aarch64

lol thats about normal

i cannot mount a file system with label "ext2fs/root". it simply complains about 'invalid argument' and returns /dev/xxx address

...when i type mount -t ext2fs /dev/[address] [mountpoint address]

the builtin ext2fs is not very good (doesn't support ext4 for writing, for example)

i just want to read it

the usual recommendation is to install the package for the fuse-based ext[234] filesystem

then add -r (or -o readonly)

debdrup the are responding to me and me mentioning their name is ok

s/the/they

anyone else having issues with the new pkg version (1.20.1)? I'm seeing ludicrously excessive memory usage

it seems there is no single command or script to change icon and size

is it more of an issue with awesome or xorg?

RhodiumToad: nothing out of the ordinary for me

99796 root 20 0 8162M 607M swread 0 2:13 0.79% pkg-static

that's in a poudriere build, doing pkg-static add -A /packages/All/qt5-gui-5.15.8p157_1.pkg

RhodiumToad I think , as you said the cursor is for each window, I should add the cursor set script on each launch of app by awesom

8g sheesh

that's not even a very large package

beladona, /join #awesome

already there

since morning

Beladona: no, you shouldn't do that

I see

Beladona: it's the app that controls the cursor appearance, so you have to convince each app to do the right thing

which is what all that cursor theme stuff is for.

I see

RhodiumToad same reason why this gets reset ? `xsetroot -xcf /usr/local/share/icons/redglass/cursors/top_left_arrow 64`   anything to be changed in it?

that only applies when the cursor is over the root window

just noticed /tmp is mounted to my zroot pool by default. is there any practical reason it's not using tmpfs? i.e., any reason i shouldn't change it?

RhodiumToad: i have most of my personal data on a hard drive partition which is ext2fs and it works perfectly without fusefs. but this time even fusefs fails...

most likely that it isn't safe in most circumstances to judge how much ram a computer has

or what it will be used for

hubertm: have you checked you have the device right? and that it's a valid filesystem?

yes

RhodiumToad ok I will try to fix via this again wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cursor_themes#Configuration

Title: Cursor themes - ArchWiki

you realise thats for arch linux right ?

CmdLnKid: arch wiki is good

ya seem to be missing some basics here. trying to understand the disconnect ... your french right ?

the stuff for Xcursor and GNOME cursor themes should work in this case

meena, oh no don't mean it in that way

"taking a guess"

Beladona: sure, but if they know the answer, and have been helping you, they'll respond whether you hilight them or not.

hello I am trying to get lxde to work on a seperate computer

having problems in the startx I followed instructions

basically screen will start and then crash nothing

what's in your .xinitrc

sounds like your environmennt has not been setup to export DISPLAY... "sounds like"

vkarlsen: I've now completely relaxed my cookie policy in my browser and Oracle's website is still complete bunk

deep reset

I had a website flatly refuse to recognize my (tablet, not freebsd) browser recently, first time I've seen that in recent years

"your browser is too unusual for us, go away" or something like that

i found "clear_tmp_enable" for rc.conf ... i think i'll make use of that rather than switch to tmpfs. purging /tmp on reboot was my main concern.

markmcb: i woulda thought that defaults YES

cat ~sixpiece/.xinitrc

ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session startlxde

meena: me too

clearing /tmp on boot is too dangerous to be on by default

that one is Xorg.0.log

was there any output from startx?

was there any output from startx?

wow sorry it wasn't working for a while my computerjust stopped

there was no output to speak of

I mean at first I had a few issue I added xf86-video intel legacy drivers, I gave the permission to paul2 to own the .xinitrc and a few other things and then I am at the blank screen now

RhodiumToad: huh? why is clearing `/tmp` too dangerous? the name kind of implies the state?

I added a line to procfs I think

fstab

proc /proc procfs rw 0 0

I added that line

why would you need to give permissions? the user should own their own .xinitrc

there was some issue with sessions I ended up installing lxsessions

the xf86-video-intel driver is optional, you shouldn't need it but it shouldn't do any harm either

yes because I wrote it with root so I had to change the permissions

basically chown paul2: ~paul2/.xinitrc

you should change the ownership instead, and if that was wrong, you probably also need to check everything else in the user's homedir

that's what I meant

when you say "blank screen", how blank? mouse?

no mouse black but possibly some small amount of lighting so maybe brownish black

ie. it doesn't look off

any response to keys?

but it's black enough that I could say I made a mistake

no response from keys but at the very initial split second transient there is a mouse cursor that dissapears

does ctrl-alt-F1 (or F2) switch to another vt?

that would be a good idea

vt is one?

I would have done ctrl alt delete but that sounds like a better idea

vt is terminal?

ctrl-alt-Fn switches to virtual screen n

not sure I can try it

by default 10 of them are set up for login prompts, but X may have taken over one

(or it may be using the 11th)

ok I get message

session is lxde de is lxde log directory : hom/paul2/.cache/lession/LXDE

log path same but run.log

allso xauth file /home/paul2/.serverauth.1127 does not exist

Xorg X Server , etc.. .the log file etc..

ctrl alt f2 switches to another terminal

then i killed it

any idea?

so what if anything is in the log?

it had this termbin.com/30wk

but then I installed openbox and now it works but it's not the lxde that I am used to

can't help you with that

never used lxde

it's working though thank you I just have to figure out how to switch it from openbox-lxde to the better one

debdrup thats my point. They will help despite me highlighting.   Highlighting someone makes sure the message was for him/her.

it didn't close properly as it said

Anyone lately seen koobs?

haven't seen him in here for months

(at least)

He is Last seen : (about 34 weeks ago). Does he has another nick?

why?

not sure

you must have a reason :-)

thank you RhodiumToad

I got it nicely working on LxQt

koobs is busy with real-life

did chrome drop out?

???

upgraded all these packages and now no chrome

???

wtf

$ pkg search chromium

chromium-bsu-0.9.16.1_2 Arcade-style, top-scrolling space shooter

ungoogled-chromium-114.0.5735.198 Google web browser based on WebKit sans integration with Google

mason beat me to it

I'm quick, like rabbit.

hrm. so i have a 3 disk zpool, and one disk just went into FAULTED. it was not the disk i was worried was dying, so i have a second suspect drive

Demosthenex: Do you have back-ups?

mason: yes, i have many layers of backups ;]

good good

but i'm in the process of copying data off this server

i canceled a scrub to lower the io

i just don't want a cascading failure.

is there a way to bring that disk back online and rejoin the pool

most of the data is intact, seems it just hit a bad spot

Depends on why it failed.

smartd says 90 incorrectable sectors

Demosthenex: Might be worth verifying that the cabling is okay just in case it's not the drive itself.

yeah, i really don't want to take it down

what happned to make chromium need an un google?

so zfs says "number of io errors ... zfs device exceeded acceptable levels, marked as faulted"

or un googling

Demosthenex: If you have back-ups, could you perhaps minimize churn with a new snapshot and a then-minimal send to get anything unique off the box?

as it were

best idea: dont use zfs

lol

mogileFS solves the scaling problem better

That doesn't help Demosthenex just now.

And anyway, I'd keep on using ZFS.

zfs gave me so many problems with 3 usb drives

it kinda drove em crazy

USB isn't ideal.

liek it would not find them in order or something

and require long checks

since drives lik 4-6 t

so if i zpool clear, and that disk is at all accessible, it'll come back online? but then do i have to go thru a full resilver before it's stable again?

that io load may not be the best idea

actually, phew. nvm, it was the disk i was monitoring that went offline

Demosthenex: If the pool's still running and you have back-ups, I'd think a minimal send would be the best bet.

I could be wrong, but I don't think you can bring a faulted drive back into the pool without a scrub.

i'm rsyncing data off right now.

yeah, i dont' want to scrub/resilver

but i think 2 disks is ok, none of the errors have errors

Ah, unfortunate. If you are able to switch to zfs send/receive it's way lighter weight than even rsync.

yeah, i'm aware. long term goals

Won't help now, but might be good in the future.

new server is much better setup ;]

Good good.

i'm proud of this new one. dual SSDs with a properly mirrored freebsd installation. 4x HDD zraid for bulk storage, and jails for every application

Nice.

and puppet managing it all =]

puppet yikes

so, i shouldn't do usb drive raid with puppet?

I'm curious what's happening here: bpa.st/NSFUQ

Title: View paste NSFUQ

Host is 13.2, new jail, also 13.2.

Minimal packages installed predate 13.2.

Never mind. Forced everything to update and it seems content now.

mason, Running -STABLE? __FreeBSD_version has been bumped for whatever reason, ignoring that (IGNORE_OSVERSION=yes) may or may not work. Encounter that often on -CURRENT. After some point drm*kmod had stopped working with IGNORE_OSVERSION=yes & installing the package; needed to do world building

parv: Always -RELEASE here.

mason, "Wow" is all can come up with then as packages are build with last supported release. Either that policy should change or hold back the package updates (Makefile, etc) which require version bump

mason: `running kernel: 1300139` suggests that you aren't running what you think you are

are you running your own pkg / poudriere setup here?

because package `1301000` suggests that packages are being pulled from a 13.0-RELEASE, maybe an old stable? I suspect

mason: what does `sysctl kern | fgrep .os` yield? 13.2-RELEASE-p1 should give:

Title: Snippet | IRCCloud

dch: That's interesting, because: bpa.st/K7Y2O

Title: View paste K7Y2O

Not running a local Poudriere yet, although I'm going to set up a new one before too long.

I might be able to reproduce this. Would be interesting to explore. I'll do that. Half a sec.

<Beladona> "Anyone lately seen koobs?" <- He's relatively active in Discord. Thirty-something messages from him on 29th June (not an exact count).

dch: bpa.st/W6ZRW

Title: View paste W6ZRW

mason: can you run that with `pkg -DDD ...`

pkg: illegal option -- D

oh, sorry

half a sec

Hm, no, it doesn't like -DDD

aahm what did I use here

dch: With -d: bpa.st/QYFXU

Title: View paste QYFXU

not much more there though

try ddd

could have sworn its capital

That's got a bit more: bpa.st/GLBEY

Title: View paste GLBEY

What jumps out at me is that it's somehow getting the kernel wrong.

reading pkg src `ucl_parser_register_variable(p, "OSVERSION", myosversion);`

anything unusual in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf ?

or actual env vars

none of those worked for me, but thats a better guess than nothing

more to the point mason that should show up in -ddd output

here's the ctx.version which is later used for the actual check github.com/freebsd/pkg/blob/master/libpkg/pkg_config.c#L77

Title: pkg/libpkg/pkg_config.c at master · freebsd/pkg · GitHub

kenrap: hi, what about the Reddit post? (AMDGPU fails to boot)

github.com/freebsd/pkg/blob/master/libpkg/pkg_config.c#L1027-L1030 and thats where it gets picked up and assigned

Title: pkg/libpkg/pkg_config.c at master · freebsd/pkg · GitHub

any suggestions for a light http/https forwarding proxy for logging traffic

mason: you can run `pkg --jail ..` and it will do the right thing inside the (active) jail. In your case, `pkg --chroot` should pick up the details from /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf in the jail. I think.

dch: Hm, I chrooted in, so it shouldn't have had access to anything outside the jail.

And the jail's not yet running in this case.

dch: My assumption is that what I tried was valid and uncovered something that shouldn't have happened, but I'm not sure I'd assign super high confidence to that.

mason: if you can (because zfs snapshot) see what was in /var/jail/test/.zfs/snapshot/2023070600/usr/local/etc/pkg.conf prior?

dkeav: haproxy is awesome and has amazing logging of initial connections. but if you want all the data in between, no idea. tcpdump ?

does it do forward, or only reverse

i guess squid is still around, i can probably make that work

dkeav: like squid? no idea

dch: Yeah, note that I just reproduced this from a ZFS snapshot, so I'll snag that from the original.

mason, it should be fine, see the path

dch: bpa.st/5UUWU

Title: View paste 5UUWU

#ABI = "freebsd:10:x86:64"; # Autogenerated

thats the same on my 13.2-RELEASE as well

so TLDR I have no idea where this comes from

so unless its somehow compiled into pkg(8) IDK

Yeah, that'd be strange but would explain it.

I recall bapt saying something about how pkg automagically identifies the ABI of the location its installing to

but I haven't found that in the code

RT would be sure to know

dch: Well, I shouldn't be nuking this snapshot any time soon, so I should be able to reproduce the issue for some time yet if it becomes interesting enough to show up in a bug.

Forcing it seemed to return it to its senses.

maybe sha256 of the pkg(8) in the jail would be of interest

the rest is probably not relevant

SHA256 (/usr/local/sbin/pkg) = d69b314dfee8a7e0677a5fa37e69f1a3b5298d51ca6764abc6753271f248f3d4

Identical to the host system, FWIW.

ABI is determined by reading the uname file (not its output) IIRC

or maybe that's just in the build system hmmm

grahamperrin: the gpu-firmware-kmod, doesn't provide all the capable amdgpu firmware that is supported in drm-515-kmod package. After I had the same problem as OP with my rx 6600 xt, I looked into /var/log/messages after rebooting and it said I was missing a firmware bin "dimgrey_cavefish_sos.bin". What I did to solve that error was I git-cloned from the official linux-firmware repository and grabbed the firmware bin from there to supplement the missing

firmware. After that, I loaded the amdgpu module and it just worked beautifully.

The OP of that reddit post likely needs a different firmware bin for their rx 6900 xt to function on 14-CURRENT. They have to check the messages logs first during a boot without loading the amdgpu module

kenrap: habe you seen freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/branch/main?q=fwget ?

Title: FreeBSD / src - FreshBSD

meena: I wasn't aware of it, I appreciate it. I've looked at its manpage and I'm not sure if the tool is about pulling in linux firmware that hasn't been officially packaged yet. I tried running `fwget -vn pci` and only prints usage info. So I'm a bit confused.

kenrap: i'd say it might still be a bit rough around the edges

Gotcha

but, if your reading of the man page and the output you're getting doesn't match up, that's either a bug in the software or in the docs, and worth reporting

developers need this kind of feedback

Also, the fact that it's not here yet: man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=f…get(8)&manpath=FreeBSD+14.0-CURRENT is mildly disappointing

Title: fwget(8)

What's the best way to give the developers bug reports/feedback?

If it's a bug report, the bugzilla. I'm not really sure about other feedback, except that the appropriate mailing list is probably a pretty good way to go.

open a bug for base / bin, cc'ing the committers. or write a mail to current@ if you think it's more PEBKAC than bug

delete the jvm

propote picolisp.cm happstack.com gnu clog aidaweb.si hek werc.cat-v.org and varnish cache and ha-proxy

picolisp.com that is

whats fwget? parallel wget?

any warriors useing naviserver?

promote--

my mind faster than my fingers

concrete_houses: Firmware Get

Alright, I signed up for the bugzilla and subscribed to the current@ mailing list. I suppose I send this as feedback to the latter.