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eep

what iso do I download if I want to install from a usb mem stick also I tried the dvd iso before i always get no internet access asnd cant find the dvd .iso on the mem stick

FreeBSD-13.2-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img

I've been running linux to support a RAID6 system. I only use it as a very simple file server. I don't even really use any network with it. I'm going for an upgrade. Should I switch to FreeBSD or is that going to be a real pain in the ass for me? :/

am I going to have to learn a LOT of new things?

it's not too bad of a switch

do you have a lot of data you need to preserve?

RhodiumToad about um... say 10TB

and that will pretty much be the only purpose for the box

It's going to be on a Dell server dual xeon 2.9GHz processors 80 GB ram

is the existing data in hardware or software raid?

well it's in hardware raid but I'm gunna switch to software raid

I suspect FreeBSD is not going to support the hardware raid controller

so you're OK with copying the entire content?

which is fine

yes

the only reason I used hardware raid is because it was super easy to set up

you'll probably want to switch to zfs rather than any other kind of software raid

I couldn't get software raid to work

oh ok

I think my question is should I switch or stick with ubuntu?

(lubuntu)

zfs offers various raidz options so you can choose the level of redundancy

oh ok

linux always made me itch a little... I like UNIX

you might want to experiment with freebsd first in a vm or convenient scratch machine if you've not used it before

is it very different than linux?

I'm not a linux expert

also can I run free spreadsheet and wordprocessiong software on FreeBSD?

freebsd treats the kernel and base system userland as a single product, it's not a bunch of separate packages

yeah I don't like how linux is that way

a large collection of applications are available as ports and/or packages

oh ok

I have the LibreOffice suite installed.

oh ok

easy install?

this will also be an air-gapped offline machine

using LTO-7 Tape backup

FreeBSD does LTO-7 okay?

what kind of drive attached how?

when you start talking about tape backup a lot of people don't seem to know

it's an IBM LTO-7

I'm still strongly thinking about staying with linux because that seems to be the easiest path atm

how's the tape drive attached to the host?

but I like FreeBSD because it's real UNiX

tape drive is SAS

as are the hard drive bays (8)

I'd expect it to work via the standard "sa" driver (CAM sequential access device)

It's a large rack mount server (heavy) bought it for 100 USD

oh ok so like no special drivers? it should just work?

should do, yes

You'll need a way to bring the package (precompiled) or port (compile locally) files for your apps in some way if air-gapped, but that's not a lajor hurdle.

s/lajor/major/

ah ok

well... something to consider... I think if this was a business application I would go FreeBDD

oops

but it's for personal use...

I'll think about it... in the meantime I'll download FreeBSD and try it out. Thanks for your time ;)

You're welcome.

last question

I have literally piles of old PCs that I'm saving from the trash heap... will FreeBSD work on an older 2007 system with 6GB ram?

should do.

and will it support the old Nvidia 8600M graphics?

what CPU?

2.8 GHz Intel X9000

that's a core2 architecture?

yes

no problem with that at all

oh k

and the graphics?

I have some issues with linux support with the NVidia 8600M

have to look the GPU up. sec

no current driver I think

oh ok thanks RhodiumToad :)

yeah the Nvidia 8600M is from around 2007

8600M - is that a laptop one?

yes can be :) in this case yes

it looks like it's on the list for the -304 and -340 driver versions

isuppose I can just install FreeBSD and see what it does

oh ok do I have to load those drivers separately?

you install it from ports or packages, yes

ok and will FreeBSD automatically load them for me?

first install I will do it online

no, the install is all just in text mode. You'll want to add X + gpu drivers + graphical apps after the install

oh ok

X is the gui?

ya

ok well... I think I have enough information thanks again :)

bye for now

is there a new schedule for 14.0?

G'day. Could I get some pointers on a new install that wont boot?

Sorted, all good

Is there a visual explanation for how functions rn_walktree_from and rn_walktree work?

Or some written explanation... I'm struggling to recreate the function on a different backing structure.

Is the CPU(n) timer literally a timer? Should the timervalue keeo increasing with time?= since boot?

Good morning.

Could someone read this script and tell me if this could be used for any GPU, and not just NVIDIA. I got this from vermaden.wordpress.com/2018/11/28/t…r-to-serve-freebsd-power-management, and this link was mentioned at forums.freebsd.org/threads/high-tem…ure-and-fan-speed.88075/post-598902. I went through this but couldn't tell.

Title: The Power to Serve – FreeBSD Power Management | 𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚗

sorry forgot the link to the script -> people.freebsd.org/~xmj/turn_off_gpu.sh

sozuba, I am not familiar with ACPI working; so cannot say. To suggest you to try it would be irresponsible of me

parv: i want to try it, but i am also a bit worried.:D

Hehe, right. same

thanks for the response though.

okay I ran the script, one of the calls was sucessful and so far good.

mewt, RhodiumToad: freebsd/freebsd-src #780

Title: geli(8): fix setkey behavior on detached providers by igalic · Pull Request #780 · freebsd/freebsd-src · GitHub

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There seems to be a noticable difference in the temperature output with 'sysctl dev.cpu | grep temperature' and 'sysctl -a | grep temperature', despite the output variables being same. What can cause this? Output -> termbin.com/ql7xh

sozuba: it always changes?

yuripv: yup it does

sozuba: are you influencing your own test? sysctl -a does more work, which means more work for grep

ridcully: fair point. But i a diference of 4 C is too much for such amount of work right?

i wouldn't say so

sozuba: on my box its the difference between 25 and >14k lines - and i have no clue, how sysctl works (it might just print text with data from within the kernel - or it might have to go to some place ask for a value, which is more expensive)

makes sense, but i don't think it does such amounts of work still.

running the "quick" query here a few times in a row increases the temps by 1⁰C

Context for these questions is that I am trying to figure out why my laptop has high temperature even at idle. PR 271938

271938 – Excessive heating on Lenovo Thinkpad E450 even with CPU @ 100% idle bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=271938

ridcully: My IRC runs on a diffent machine.But I get your point. If a quick query would cause 1 C then it makes much more sense.

and it does nothing for the "slow" query. so you might be onto something here. i'd have expected it to raise quicker or higher

i've run it a multiple times, and each time, the diference is more or less the same

ridcully: and yes may be, if a quik query would cause 1c then a slow query would cause a difference more than 4V

c*

applying fresh thermal compound is good advice. on my thinkpad w520, grease did not change for 5 years, finally i got annoyed with fan noise and temps, so applied thermal grizzly compound. temps dropped around 15-20 degrees on idle

ridcully: okay, i ran both the commands and with powermon running. The idle power consumption is 4.43-2.27 W, when i run the quick query, ther eis no significiant jump, but when i run sysctl -a ...., the poiwer cosumption jumps 1W and reaches around 5.45 W. So you are right.

sozuba: also have you tried powerd++? powerd at some point stopped working for my older box here; and also, if you suspect the CPU is working-while-idle (vs. just the fans run a different setting than linux), do you see a difference in the power-drain (e.g. measuring on the PSU or checking battery time)?

angry_vincent: Thank you for the response :), As mentined in the PR, this drastic change in temperature doesn't happen with linux. So no, i don'tthink it has anything to do with thermal compound or dist on the vents. No fan noise in my case.

ridcully: that's the confusing nature of this. No process runs and the power consumption remains constant and so i don; think the CPU is working while idle.

ridcully: I read that there isn;t much difference between powerd and powerd++. Guess I am wrong. Is it better?

ummm... happy birthday? :P

sozuba: i am not qualified to answer, other than, than powerd stopped working and powerd++ works since then; i found that out at some point thanks to monitoring.

ridcully: okay, will check it out and see if it makes a difference.

thank you

can you install freebsd headless, in terms of with no keyboard connected at all?

p4x639: sure,

better do my homework first and google it :)

Title: Advanced Installation Guide

lovely!

think the handbook has a section too

CmdLnKid: yeah, let's try to link the actual handbook

also didn't know freebsd has standalone html files as handbook format, i would prefer that the same way openbsd has

oh people.... this isn't the handbook i see

:wink:

basically: You can use a serial console, which, technically, isn't an attached keyboard, or you can do other fun things, like create a scripted installation medium

never heard of that null modem thing

i thought i could ssh into it and do the installation

i guess it is just best to not do it headless the first time

scripted custom install

kinda like nixos?

there's so much in a google search im sure youll find your ssh answe

with an r even

personally i like setting up a salt server, install freebsd configure it to connect to the salt server then use clonezilla to create an image and then from there its all just a imaging problem

salt... is that something like ansible?

yes

essentially like running the playbooks but you have client and server daemon communicating

i think it is better to learn the essentials first before i got automation with such tools :)

still remember that puppet talk from someone with a flipchart, that you should never automate stuff you didn't do at least a few times by hand

definately agree

CmdLnKid: do you know if there is a modern version of that null modem cable which relies on usb and plug and plays?

no i don't. haven't had to use that in some odd 10+ years

:)

how do you think, is weechat the best irc terminal app? Do you know another one?

irssi

there isn't a best other than in the term of what works best for you.

CmdLnKid: checking ;)

i agree

if you like perl and you like a terminal app ...

irssi

wechat havent touched in well since i found irssi

weechat is huge. I prefer much smaller apps to be honest

then irssi may be for you then

i switched from irssi to weechat, but not sure if anything improved. but it was said that weechat is more actively developed and has more features

of course you could always script out ircii yourself and come up with something similiar if you are up for the challenge

bitchx still exists to if you are feeling nostalgic

also using weechat, wish i could add it to my dotfiles but it mixes passwords with config

p4x639: this is why I made my own 'pkg' for dot files

wikan: pkg as in freebsd pkg?

yes

didn't know freebsd has something like ppa's or aur

still working on it

is ports like ppa's or aur?

no, my own app called deskset

user contributed packages?

deskset install vim

and I have my vim installed. Any changes goes directly to repo

now I will impklement encryption for weechat like apps

sounds a little complicated :p

and it is

it is third version

CrtxReavr: he spelt implement wrong, please correct him sir.

otr for irssi works great !

cpet, that looks like more typo than spelling.

irsii - 2MB

good good

for fucks sake

lol

question

answer

more beer, yes

i set my keyboard language with setxkbmap

but it resets to defaults after monitor wakes up

have no idea why. I havent this issue before

Yeah I dont know

beers for the channel on me!

I'll pass, but thanks for offering.

one 24 bit pint coming your way

so digital beer ?

and one virgin daquri for v_pauamma_v

whats the point ;/

you know what they say cant trust a guy who doesnt drink (TM)

lol

i don't drink and never have

never had a home brewed beer that you made and waited 2 weeks to drink at 9am on a non work day ?

aint nothing wrong with that

What in /var is a virgin daquri?

rofl

/var/log

wikan: is this xfce by chance ?

cpet: by workspace? no, I use i3

yeah I would expect that from a tiling wm

why?

think you can add in something that resets it when you resume

I just have the habbit of turnign the monitors off

rather than letting the OS do it

i switch between computers with a hardware switch

this has always been a thing for ever since *nix has horrible suspend and resume

so I just take it off and turn stuff off ;/

could also be the KVM you are using

back in the day when I did that I boght a cheap ass blackbox KVM would do weird things bought a more expensive one that was network enabled and weirdness stopped

so just a thought

anyone know how to do an egrep for "match this but NOT that"

i can't chain grep -v here

can you give an example?

i want to egrep a log message, and match any error code "ORA-[0-9]+" but i want to exclude one.

issue is, i have a single egrep call to use

so "match X unless X followed by Y"

i noticed jls only lists active jails. looking through the man page, it doesn't seem there's a way to also list inactive. is there an easy way to list both?

what is an "inactive" jail?

not running

service jail stop myjail ... if i type jls, myjail isn't listed

then it doesn't exist, unless possibly as an entry in some configuration file

seems odd, i.e., jail is aware of its existance since it knows how to start it

Demosthenex, maybe something like "ORA-123([^4]|4[^5]|45[^6])", for ORA-123 not followed by 456.

(not tested)

I once wrote code to turn arbitrary inclusion/exclusion pattern lists into regexps, but that required perl regexp constructs

anyone recently build 13.2 Release? my buildworld has been running for 16 hours, and /usr/obj is currently sitting at 9.0G, it's been a long time since I've built world , and yes, this is a craptop with spinning rust, Chromium took 28H to build last year.

(think Usenet groups: comp.*,!comp.binaries.*,comp.binaries.whatever )

jimmiejaz: did you specify -j at all?

no, it heats up too much and shuts down if I use -j :(

I've built 13.2 stable several times recently, it's not the spinning rust that makes it slow, rather cpu and memory

back in the 4/5/6 days /usr/obj took up 3-4 gigs, that's the last time I had a rough size comparison, no make.conf no src.conf, straight defaults

my /usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64 is about 13.5GB, but that's without zfs and a couple other things

though zfs probably isn't all that big in comparison

it's llvm which really slows stuff down

thanks tons RhodiumToad :) I know what I'm looking at roughly. Not in a rush, but having an idea is a Good Thing :)

should i rewrite this fish script in tcsh or in flua?

flua

the fish in question: alpha.pkgbase.live/howto/howdo.html#updating-sets

Title: How did she do it?!

jimmiejaz: turning off the LLVM cross targets in src.conf might save you a little time in future

(it looks easily doable in tcsh, but not so sure about flua, given the amount of shellout)

oh, I used to tear down the builds to almost nothing, but of course over the years, as things changed, problems crept in, so now I run with defaults, make sure everything is good, then look at stripping out unneeded bits.

also IPFILTER, NDIS

Is there still an ATM to turn off? I thought that was no longer supported as a network class-or-whatever.

it's still listed in man src.conf

V_PauAmma_V: yeah, i thought about that, but i may have found a workaround. i just didn't realize egrep can't negate ;]

meena: wanting better ways to invoke commands from lua has led me into a rabbit hole :-(

jimmiejaz: for comparison, my world build takes about 1hr 15min at -j4, on a machine that took ~9hr to build chromium at -j4 a couple years ago

i5, 2.7Ghz, 8gig ram, this craptop was designed for Windows 7, so... 2009-2012-ish, it's ancient and I had to take the bottom cover over to keep the temps below 100c, along wtih powerdxx_flags="-H 65:78 -t hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature" in rc.conf, now hovers around 85c

is it dropping the clock speed to avoid overheating?

mine is an i5-6500 (skylake) @3.2GHz

(but in a desktop with reasonably good cooling)

RhodiumToad: and the only way out of libutil is to scorch and salt the earth it grew on, from what I understand

quite so. though some of the defects extend even into libc

broadly speaking, I wanted a non-invasive way to look up login class info. But: the user can run cap_mkdb on their ~/.login_conf, giving a ~/.login_conf.db which is opened by dbopen in libc, but if the homedir is on NFS, root may not have permission to open it without first swapping userids (which affects the whole process and is therefore maximally invasive)

it's not overly hard to write an open_file_as_user(...) function that doesn't need a full-on fork, but there's no way to tell dbopen to use it

could you do the open and then tell dbopen to use /dev/fd/<N> ?

can't assume /dev/fd/N works for N > 2, because that requires fdescfs to be mounted

bummer

(anyone else use a graveyard branch in git? the idea is to keep otherwise dead work by merging it into an empty branch using -s ours to keep the empty branch empty)

avoids needing tags or branches for dead work while still keeping it in the repo

not related to bsd, but in case someone knows. how can I find out all networks that belong to a certain organization, on Arin ? search.arin.net/rdap/?query=45.133.6.60

Title: ARIN Whois/RDAP - American Registry for Internet Numbers

for example, all networks belonging to this Legaco

that's not from arin, that's a referral to RIPE

Title: Webupdates — RIPE Network Coordination Centre

do you know how to look it up from there ?

there are docs

it's been a while since I needed to do this stuff regularly

k, I found it on another page. weird that arin/ripe no longer shows this easily

must be some gdpr stuff

sozuba: agreed with you, reading this channel is a great source of knowledge. Thanks every body

Lovis_IX: ??

sorry, I reply on the backlog.

when you said that we learn a lot of things ready this channel (several days ago)

Lovis_IX: ah, got it. And I am still learning :)

when i create a zfs pool with devices, the file system is currently ready, correct? I can start readds and write to the pool name?

looks like i can

uh

what do you mean?

i was under the impression i had to format the actual "pool volume"

no.

as far as I know, creating the pool also creates a root dataset in the pool, which is immediately mountable

can i then unmount the pool, move the disk to another controller, then recreate the pool. will my data be intact?

ok, that makes sense

whether you want it to be mountable is a separate question

right

shouldn't need to recreate the pool, just export/import it around the move?

oh, ok. i can remove the desk from the pool and readd the new device name?

disk

you shouldn't need to as far as I know

i.e. it should just detect it in the new location based on the metadata

understood. that is really cool. the reason i ask is because i have a failing drive i want to copy it's data from to the new pool, then put the drive on the controller of the failing drive

the failing drive is not in zfs?

no, that data was older than when zfs was implemented

damn, i'm getting read errors

kind of a hazard with failing drives :-(

very true!

the cp process won't exit even if i try to kill it

be patient. most likely the code is retrying the read command a lot of times

signals aren't processed while reading from a local filesystem

eventually it should give up and return EIO, and the signal will be handled then

Happy alpaca smugglers day! <old.reddit.com/comments/1409s74/-/jmupd3f>

Title: motific comments on How does FreeBSD make money?

RhodiumToad: understood. i have to abort it anyway because i should have copied directory/. instead of directory

did it fail yet?

yep, it did

i'll just let it run until it's done

ok, good

for scsi the default retries/timeout seems to be 4 retries and 60 secs, for ada it seems to be 4 retries and 30 secs

that's at the CAM level, there may be retries above that

soon i want to get a used sas hitachi disk shelf. they are 3GB/s throughput but are pretty cheap and work with sata drives, plus are pretty quiet

i think you are right on that.

then i can get redundant drives and implement mirroring

RhodiumToad: it looks like that, on this failing drive, the existing data will read without issues. data that i copied over to it recently after it started failing is what gives read errors

huh, weird

it's a spinny disk, not ssd?

Cheers to 30 years, FreeBSD community! \o/

Oh, it's that time? Nice.

RhodiumToad: yep, an old 1.5TB WD green from over 12 years ago

devnull: agreed!

30 years? Nice. I'm celebrating about 30 days. Haha.

markmcb: 30 days is something to be proud of too

agreed. better late than never, right?! :)

huh, so it had only been going about 4.5 years when I started using it

before FreeBSD, i used Solaris

before freebsd I used AIX, HP-UX, SCO OpenServer, and a bunch of other random commercial ports

only used solaris after I was already using freebsd

FreeBSD was the first Unix I used.

I mean, other than very quickly distro/OS-hopping to try to find something to really try.

it was the first one I used on my own machine

(installed from floppies, a very tedious procedure)

6.5 years for me. However, my first *NIX was Debian in 1995. Then IRIX and a lot of MacOS X. When Apple killed MacOS X Server (10.6.8 was the last release), I started looking for a non-Linux alternative and settled on FreeBSD.

I've been around since 2010, but became a convert in 2017? aaaaand an irregular contributor, too

more regular, lately

meena, What was your religon before 2017?

s/religon/religion/

parv: I loved Solaris, but after quitting my job it wasn't a thing any more

So it was mostly debuntu

but, Solaris was a passion, Debian / Ubuntu were just work

meena, Did you buy|hoard Solaris hardware afterword (for nostalgia, whatever)?

parv: no. one constant in my life, no matter how much money i make, I'm always broke

meena, shit!

Also: I'm not allowed near hardware, lest it explode

I started using FreeBSD c 199[67] on personal computer. Used Solaris mostly during BSEE degrees; had rudimentary remote access to HP-UX & perhaps AIX now & then.

Sorry, only one BS was enough

Always wondered that

and I probably make 1/3 oif what you make

you really shouldn't make assumptions about how much other people make, fwiw

meena: used to work for Nortel, we had old sparc workstations.

thumbs: the Unix admins in my job got Sun workstations, but they were amd64

meena: back then, we used to call it slowloris. Now that means something else.

other than a very cute animal?

meena: slowloris is an HTTP attack, nowadays.