and the status: entry?

ifconfig alc0 not showing status entry

tyler82: Are the lights on the router/switch and ethernet NIC lit up? Are they even active at all?

yep

i can try plug it in on my other laptop. i am sure will work

yep.. it does work on that.

quick question, can I "follow" a package? as to say, is there a way I can see the development progress, releases, patch notes etc., for a specific package?

for the upstream, or the port?

i dont get it why cant fetch IP?

shrug

you're the one looking at the machine

RhodiumToad: ports I guess, I'm trying to see if I can stay informed on the support status for my gpu

tyler82: what do you mean " uncomment wpasupplicant " ? to choose networks?

wxsabi: ah. for that, you might look at the drm-kmod project on github

is there any command for ifconfig alc0 IP and giving DHCP values??

Title: GitHub - freebsd/drm-kmod: drm driver for FreeBSD

rtprio: yes. but irrelevant now

tyler82: what does that even mean?

next time use wpa_cli select network

RhodiumToad: nice, thanks!

tyler82: the command to do dhcp on an interface is, as I said before, dhclient IFNAME

why would that be irrelevant

rtprio: but i mean at bootup. scan_ssid=1 as one network ssid is hidden. but even if i set priority value always getting the wrong DHCP....

rtprio: because i am on liveCD now and dont have access to wlan0 interface....

what do you mean wrong dhcp? if th address is wrong, that's on your dhcp server, not bsd client

and you can create wlan0 on the live cd, i would imagine

rtprio: wrong means o have one wifi with dhcp 192.168.0.1 and the other one is 192.168.8.1 and resolv.conf was incorrect. did not change it on bootup. when i was changing priority on wpasupplicant

well i just told you that was the wrong way to do it

create on liveCD? i did not know that...

ifconfig wlan create wlandev iwi0 # replace with your wifi card

you'll also need to start wpa_supplicant

rtprio: ok. but i did not know rhis wpacli select thing...

rtprio: ok. let me try then....

ifconfig create wlandev wlan0 ?

ifconfig wlan create wlandev wlan0

read the man page for your wireless card

man iwi, man ath, man iwm, whatver

ok

why are you using the live cd ? did you not install to hard disk yet?

trying to investigate a disk partitioning issue. I suggested getting networking going in order to paste command output.

rtprio: i have messed up. boot partition...

i have wlan0 interface now. but ifconfig wlan0 scan does not find anything...

status: no carrier

tyler82: driver loaded fwares properly loaded as well

in vi, does s ( substitute ) work with regexes ?

for example even if I do / ( search ) \s , it finds 's' , not a whitespace

aka /\s finds the letter s

using \s for space is a perl-ism

[[:space:]] is the standard way

is this a particular to FreeBSD's vi ?

[[:space:]] also matches newlines it seems

last1: read "man re_format" for details on FreeBSD's regex system

well, other regexp libraries may have adopted some subset of perl's extensions

see also pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap09.html

Title: Regular Expressions

is it that different ? for example, I'm trying to match 2 or more whitespaces using this: [[:space:]]{2,} in vi

You may want to use [[:blank:]] instead depending on what you want, last1

has to be \{2,\} in BREs

there's an "extended" option in vi somewhere to switch to using ERE format

this works for me: [[:blank:]]\{2,\}

thank you, I ended up doing it in notepad++ :)

libregex supports \s, but I think I've slowly been convinced that libregex was a bad idea

what uses that?

just grep at the moment

I was going to do sed, but the exp-run was a disaster

macOS instead implemented this kind of stuff in Libc behind a REG_ENHANCED flag (unix.com/man-page/osx/7/re_format), which I kind of think was a better model than forcing it off into a separate lib

but it gets worse, because I realized only a little bit ago that we actually have some extensions that had slipped into libc already before I started touching it

in the future, I might end up pushing current libregex functionality back into libc (probably still behind a REG_ENHANCED flag) and instead turn libregex into... onigmo or oniguruma

> current will most likely always be ahead of packages that are built for that system.

I wouldn't say _always_. The frequency of version changes is not too great.

Hello - is anyone privy about FreeBSD 14 ? I can't see any info about progress...

there are reports on the mailing lists every so often

-current is probably the place to look

the sticking point is updating to openssl 3.x

Thanks to jhb in Matrix:<github.com/bsdjhb/devsummit/blob/main/14.0/planning.md>

Title: devsummit/14.0/planning.md at main · bsdjhb/devsummit · GitHub

Also <bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=271607>

Title: 271607 – 14.0-RELEASE metabug

what are the odds i'll have problems if i install zerotier on pfsense and it says zziplib requires kernel 1204000 and i have 1203500?

pfsense guys don't really do bsd by the way

should i just upgrade to the pfsense devel?

also ... does BSD have anything like Nix or Guix?

does freebsd do gpg forwarding?

dcunit3d_: nix or guix in what way? an alternate package manager?

I'm currently using bhyve and I'm doing so with the EFI firmware which I think means that EFI video drawing gets sent to a VNC session, is there any benefit in running a VNC server inside bhyve and using that instead? is it any faster, does cut and paste work?

so I'm on 14 and I've installed drm-515-kmod and put kld_list="amdgpu" in my /etc/rc.conf but I still can't get the driver to work for my 6750 XT. Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?

Title: HW probe of ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming ... Desktop Computer #705c750691

relevant thread forums.freebsd.org/threads/is-the-a…supported-on-freebsd-13-1-yes.84753

Title: Solved - Is the AMD GPU RX 6800 XT Supported on FreeBSD 13.1? Yes! | The FreeBSD Forums

either that or the blender build in pkg is borked

brb, restarting

I need help to configure wifibox to get the IP from dhcp server. I get the IP 10.0.0.2 from 10.0.0.1 and that's wrong. I am using Intel AX210 wireless card. Help will be nice

hello, I am new and trying to move to FreeBSD 13.2-STABLE but the drm-kmod i915kms.ko is not loading due to "symbol __lkpi_fpu_CTX_level undefined", and " unsupported file type". I have a GENERIC kernel and same thing happens with 14-CURRENT. also tried compiling from ports to no avail. I have an Ivy Bridge iGPU that is supported, any help is

appreciated. Thanks.

cpet: on liveCD i cant rw config files

did my message go through

what should i do to add values on wpa supplicant on read-only liveCD system? sysrc also wont work.

RhodiumToad: Ok. i have got working ethernet connection now on LiveCD. It tooks a while... :( If u are ready to help me on the next step let me know.

tyler82: what (have you) changed to make it work?

poribores: I assume you've updated your ports tree and are building from it, rather than using the binary packages?

debdrup I used binary packages and they're giving that error

meena: iwas rebooting again. and before ifconfig ath0 up i was running bsdconfig netinstall and giving manually gateway.

then interface up then service netif start

poribores: that's why; binary packages are built for the oldest supported version of freebsd, which is 13.1.

now thr next step is to find oit what need to mount for chroot. i have succesfully mounted now /dev/ada0p11 to /tmp/myefifixing. Which was failed to mounting yesterday...

i need probably the system itself. thats obvious. but do i need anything else? like tmp var proc? or using the liveCD mounts are okay??

debdrup I am a bit new to this, I did try the ports package and it did not work either. I am going to recompile the ports one again

also do I use quarterly ports?

not in this case

if i type mount -t zfs /dev/ada0p12 /tmp/freebsd giving me invalid fstype. -t freebsd-zfs also...

debdrup thanks for your assistance, I compiled drm-kmod from ports and it is still giving the same error on kldload

poribores: is this on a fresh ports tree?

freshly updated, I eman

mean*

yes I just git cloned it according to handbook

which port are you installing?

drm-kmod

what ports are installed according to `pkg info -x drm-` ?

drm-510-kmod-5.10.163_7, drm-kmod-20220907_1, libdrm-2.4.115,1

oh, when you say -STABLE, I assumed you mean you have a fresh checkout of the stable branch for 13 - but are you using a snapshot?

yes I am

it's probably not new enough then

I don't really know how to update properly

if you're new to freebsd, you should stick to -RELEASE

stable and current are for people who're actively working on developing on FreeBSD

oh I had initially installed current before I realized that

I'll download release and try again

thanks a lot for the help

the same thing about oldest-supported-version-for-packages still applies

so you'll still need to build the drm-kmod port

the project is still working on some sort of permanent solution to that problem, but it's not a trivial fix

this only applies to kernel modules, right?

I can install other packages fine?

all packages that use kernel headers from /usr/src (which will be listed on sites like freshports.org) might (or might not) have problems like this

Title: FreshPorts -- The Place For Ports - Most recent commits

but almost everything else should be fine

for the most part, the packages that use kernel headers are stuff like out-of-tree drivers

got it, thank you so much

no worries

oh and do I download latest release snapshot?

never mind I got it wrong

i have mounted the system partition on /tmp/testfreebsd How to chroot it? chroot /tmp/testrootfreebsd /bin/env -i TERM=$TERM /bin/csh ?

thats wrong. i mean chroot /tmp/testfreebsd /bin/env -i TERM=$TERM /bin/csh

tyler82: did you rad man chroot?

rtprio: yes. does not really helped me

did the command you pasted work?

the env variable not clear for me. i can chroot now but many commands not working. as does not find the command...

what are you doing with this chroot?

rtprio: no. not on that format

rtprio: i just need to reinstall boot partition. the loader.efi and whatever are there. Actually my goal is to make bootable my sytem again. Really thats all.

i don't believe you need a chroot for that

loader.efi is on a different partition

where does your system not boot? did you already paste this?

you also don't mount zfs partitions with `mount`, you use `zfs mount`

rtprio: Ok. as i dont have experince with freebsd i use my linux experience. rhis is how i did fix grub reinstall on linux. But if u have better idea let me know.

what happens when it boots? what's the error

rtprio: Yes. i have sort out mounting zfs. i need to import pool rather. But such a small issue generating many new issues as i never worked with zfs and bsd before.

rtprio: The error is run fsck_msdosfs manually

so run fsck_msdosfs manually

i have screenshoot but cant send it here...

rtprio: i did

ok, then what

does not work

what did you do after running fsck_msdos, presumably on the right filesystem

invalid arguments for fsck command. thats why decided to chroot and wipe that partition and do a fresh install of efi

ok that was probably not a great idea. how did you do that "fresh install of efi"

rtprio: nothing as the system not able to boot. this error pops uo at boot. thats why i decided chroot

rtprio: i did not do any modification yet. nothing "fresh install" yet. as first i have to mount it on livecd. which is done

if it's a fresh install, just reinstall and learn from the experience

rtprio: this is what i learn now. i can reinstall again. this is not problem. but i want fix it.

so you have an empty msdos efi partition and you need to populate it?

this is what i want to learn how can i fix broken boot partition. but do i need chroot for it? it is not clear for me. yet.

you don't need a chroot

rtprio: ok. so what do i need run this bootcode stuff? i havent read the man page of it...

i mean this man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?gptboot

Title: gptboot

wuldn't hurt to be aware of it

i think you use gptboot, but i haven't botched an efi partition yet

the funny thing is i did an other install of my newer laptop. but partitiontable looks different. gpt/boot0 twice. one for boot and one for efi if i remember correctly...but on this laptop i did manual (expert) install as i have 5 OSes already

so i havevinly one partition. efi.

Title: Solved - How to restore boot loader? | The FreeBSD Forums

on the new laptop i did a full device format into zfs. Auto zfs guide. but on this laptop only freebsd has got zfs partition.

i don't know man, i have no idea how you installed it

rtprio: i was reading this. but i dont have the device path. like /dev/afa0p11 if i do gpart show only the deviceID i have.

gpart list will show what you have

rtprio: i did manually 1024MB for efi. and 50 GB zfs for root. Thats is it.

gpart list will show what you have

yes. it does show the device and the partitions if i do gpart show

so lt's see them so you can gptboot the correct one

but if i do gpart show ada0p11 it will say no geom

just `gpart show`

not sure where you're getting this ada0p11 from

i have 13 partitions on that device

why on earth would you do that

looks like there's an updated procedure: forums.freebsd.org/threads/update-o…he-bootcodes-for-a-gpt-scheme.80163

Title: Update of the bootcodes for a GPT scheme | The FreeBSD Forums

becsuse i have multiboot and data partitions also separate

well that sounds downright awful.

that was my thought too.

hier(7) on FreeBSD is different from other Unix-likes in that you generally don't need data partitions in the same way, at least from my experience.

especially with zfs

debdrup: i suspect the other partitions are linux and whatever

windows use ntfs for data. not ext4. because i have separate boot partition dedicated for windows also. but i did create for freebsd on partition 11

I think a single ZFS pool with both FreeBSD and Linux is possible?

debdrup: it should be, but i wouldn't want linux mucking about on my freebsd boot pool

still waiting on that gpart show command, boss

Boot pool is only a thing if you don't have UEFI+ESP or a BIOS that doesn't support GPT.

Also i have android systems...also on separate partition. like BlissOS. so 13 partition is really not a big deal. At least for me. Just this zfs thing is new for me....it feels for me i have to "twice" mounting zfs stuffs...this dataset thing is makes me confuse

because df -h and zfs list does not show the same

ok, again, best to learn this stuff when ther's not other OSes confusing things

also sounds like you've got some reading to do about zfs

tyler82: what do you mean "twice mounting zfs stuffs" ?

rtprio: i will explain later. now its lunchtime :)

debdrup: 20 years ago i'd just swap the hard drives and play with a different os;

these days vms usually fit the bill

i've never really had that desire to play around with os'; if anything, i want the opposite: something that works reliably, consistently, and ideally despite my occational attempts to break it

playing around led me to discover freebsd, which stuck

i can't remember what linux i tried but i could not figure anything out

i've mentioned my story before, but i got tired of windows xp pre-sp2 being such as bad as it was. someone told me about debian, but i got frustrated with the lack of documentation, and kept complaining about it until someone printed the freebsd handbook on paper and gave me a couple cds with freebsd 4.0 (which had _just_ come out, the day before or something like that)

i did at least one install of 3.3 with floppies

oof

3.5 was after 4.0 was out.

I used 2.x on a shell server I paid for an account on

/usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree has the complete record

when it went out of business, and then the next company I paid also went out of business

I started my own using FreeBSD 4.1

AllanJude: not enough money in freebsd hosting in those days?

and that is how I learned to be a sysadmin

I was on a SunOS shell server between 1995 and when I installed FreeBSD.

rtprio: mostly problems with ddos attacks

And yes, I do mean SunOS - not Solaris.

ISPs and colocation providers would kick you out if you got too many ddos attacks

I managed to get a colo from the company that owned a set of porn sites, and was better setup to handle it

nowdays they just nullroute you lol

:D

AlexC: yes, but, that was less of a thing back then

yeah

or rather, everyones routers were a lot smaller

and didn't have the ram to let the end servers send /32 routes up

unlucky

i "coloed" at a friends isp, but it was halted after their switch was out of ports so they unplugged us

it was fun while it lasted

now, my company just sponsored work to add 'flowspec' support to openbgpd

so you can send firewall rules up to your BGP peers

ahh thats nice

"don't send me any traffic to port 80 that is udp" etc

yeah, 20 years ago things were different

:P

a bit, yeah

yeah

i had 1 server with 512mb of ram, and rented accounts out to 100 people

hah, yeah

now, for $5/month, each person can get a whole virtual server with 512mb of ram

mine had i beleive 96 megs of ram?

100 people sharing 512mb was _possible_ then

yeah

one of the pioneering features we had

and a Pentium 2?

can't even remember properly

was certain irc hosting servers, limited to 15 "slots"

10 Mbit uplink in budapest

my server server was an AMD Athlon XP

1700+ (so like 1.2ghz)

that was speedy tho

mine was 333 Mhz I think

i think I had an 700MHz AMD something-or-other at the time

then made a BIG jump to a 2.4GHz Northwood C with the original SMT implementation (yes, the one that sucked)

whehehe

same OS, though

it's technically the same installation i'm using now

last OS what I used on that ancient crap was freebsd 5.4 i think

before that used debian, but that sucked so hard

though there aren't many system files that have their original creation date because of a few mistakes along the way

i have user files going back all the way to 1994 though, those are my log files from when i started using ircII because it supported logging (the previous client didn't)

I don't think I had a computer yet in 1994

me neither, I was 4 years old :P

think that was around 95 or 96, don't recall

first time on irc for me was 1992

I was 10 in 94

on a 300 baud dial-up

IRC was first day on the internet, Sept 14, 1998

i've got my first PC in 99

or rather, first day I had the internet at home

started IRC around 2000-2001 somewhere

still more than 20 years.. jesus

before that, I had used some local BBSes, and eventually ran my own (single line, but, my area wasn't that busy)

BBS'es weren't so popular in the EU back in the day

in the UK mostly but not in Europe so much

i was very limited, there were only like 4 that were not long-distance

Devil's Den, Rebel's Reef, Wolf-something, and one more i forget the name of (the one in waterford)

i never used bbs, the good ol' http were rocking when I got my first internet in my home

and then mine "Sudden Death BBS" 519-587-3983

ignore the fact that it is run by a 13 year old

:p

that's fine, that time I was having my rented servers as well

:D

that's how I learnt the stuff.

same

and now I getting payed for it.

:D

you still working on ZFS Allan right?

sadly I have less and less time follow the open source communities.. :D

it's too hot to think :c

that's another fact

here in the UK the houses are boiling hot upstairs

26C average temp

its 27⁰c here according to beta.yr.no/en/details/graph/2-26152…/North%20Denmark/Jammerbugt/Pandrup

Title: Yr - Pandrup - Detailed weather forecast as a graph

not here just 23 outside, but inside still 25-26 in my office

s/not/

and that's the expected temperature in the shadow; one of my windows is towards the west where the sun is shining on a wall and it's measuring 31.7

17C here at Lake Chelan in Washington state :)

Wow Americans speaking Celcius!

Here's 29 C (Barcelona so I'm kinda used to it)

I don't have AC which is a problem once it gets over 30 indoors

i am really thinking about a mobile AC..

They're mostly a waste of energy

A good split unit is way more efficient

yeah, but this is not my house, so I wouldn't go that route.

Ah yeah same problem here

AlexC: yes, lead a team of ZFS devs @ my company, Klara

if it's mine, i've already installed myself

I don't even have a way to get rid of the exhaust (only opening are the balcony doors which are more than 3 metres high)

doing work for a bunch of customers using ZFS

awesome awesome

appreciate all your guys works. :)

as my corpo heavily relies on zfs as well

:P

weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-77_metric_e.html 24c feels like 26 (only 50% humidity, that is low)

Title: Hamilton, ON - 7 Day Forecast - Environment Canada

I love ZFS

AlexC: well, we sell ZFS support subscriptions

It's so sad that Sun is gone

you should get one

Imagine all the innovation they would have sparked

ask NCR reps if they want it :P

wildeboskat: well, we're picking that up

But I mean new things :)

Like suddenly coming up with a totally revolutionary filesystem

or dtrace

AlexC: NCR/Zynstra?

yessir

i work at Zynstra :)

we have talked to them before

It's great the torch on ZFS has been carried over though

but Andy stopped replying

Andy Steady?

:>

yes

yap, he's my lil boss

:>

wildeboskat: I'm Danish

I feel like Sun was a great company with innovative minds, who just weren't very good at selling things :'(

well, remind him to reply to me :p

i will mention :P

Whereas Oracle is zero innovation and very good at extorting money from their "customers"

iirc, you were having an issue with 0 byte writes

we actually had another customer hit that like 2 weeks ago

ah year remember that

it was really annoying

dunno what's up with that since

as we still on an ancient version of zfs in prod

we're helping that other customer go from 0.8.2 to 2.1.9

or 2.1.5, or forget the exact version

we're on 0.8.1 I think

so are a lot of people

I'm Dutch debdrup

yeah

I like Canadians

AlexC: Do they also have this really weird water thing in the UK? Where they have this massive tank in the attic like a personal water tower?

They had this in Ireland, only 1 tap was connected to the mains and the rest through this dirty tank full of dead bugs

yap, that's just for the hot water/heating

Really weird way of doing it and it made all the other taps undrinkable

buffer tank

I hate that

but that's just for old constructions tho, new installations has turbo boilers

Here every tap is just on the mains (and in Holland too)

no buffer tank, nothing

my house was renovated about 12 years ago, the plumbing was changed from the normal copper plumbing used over here, to plastic tubing. The big difference is it all "point to point" now, instead of trunk/branch, so flushing the toilet doesn't lower the water pressure in the shower

/join #watertanksoftheworld

Cool yeah much better. Because if that tank starts leaking you suddenly have a massive flood in the house

so each line is fed from a kind of manifold off the mains

Not to mention the health concerns of having water sitting still at 30 degrees in the attic

so the pressure is much better distributed

Sorry grahamperrin

yeah, here the hot water tank is in the basement (about 2/3rd below grade) and there is a drain "just incase"

and for the forced air furnace to drain into

yeah, UK houses doesn't have basement

grahamperrin: what have you been up to? Not had a chance to hang out on IRC in a while

AlexC: yeah, here is it very common because the ground freezes, so if you build on top of the ground you house would keep moving, haha

Wut?

yeah Hungary is the same, most of the houses has basements

wildeboskat: the water in the ground expands when it turns to ice, so it "heaves" the ground

breaks the roads, side walks, and will make a random part of your house higher than the others

which really breaks things

so you generally dig down rather deep, to ground that isn't going to do that

AllanJude: I suppose I should do more documentation, with my doc commit bit, but I find things to distract myself because it's sometimes punishing :-)

Cool AllanJude, never heard of that

you mean like how I am talking on IRC instead of writing this doc I am supposed to be writing?

In Holland it goes the other way, the ground sags so they ram really long poles into the ground and anchor the house to that.

Just write, it I'll rewrite it. I'm probably infamous for that type of thing.

wildeboskat: same idea, except, might as well have a room down there. that is where I keep my servers :p

grahamperrin: not open source docs

internal training docs

Ah but the reason it sags is that the ground water is so high

more 'history and context of this customer'

So having a basement is usually not very useful unless you like an indoor pool

wildeboskat: yeah, quite different for you

wildeboskat: well, mine does not, but more modern ones have a sump pump, to dewater, and to capture and remove the runoff from rain etc

this house was built in the 1950s

things from the 70s and later, would have a pump

wildeboskat: sure, but you were making the assumption that everyone here is American..

Nono, I was replying to an American person who was speaking of washington state and quoted a temperature in Celcius

That was just remarkable because usually I have to open a converter lol

degrees science vs degrees freedom?

Does anyone have a less shrunken version of the image that's at <freebsdfoundation.org/blog/celebrat…0-years-of-freebsd-freebsd-timeline>?

Title: Celebrating 30 years of FreeBSD – FreeBSD Timeline | FreeBSD Foundation

i use to make fun of the UK colleagues, they use miles/hamburger

(The 20223 typo has been reported.)

Ah, guessed it: <freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/up…/2023/06/FreeBSD_timeline_16x20.pdf> at 200%.

"In the year 2525, there are OSes with the will to survive!"

it was cool that they got that printed on a cake for BSDCan

i forget which even i got

but we cut around things to give Pawel the ZFS piece of cake

AllanJude: The whole 30-year timeline made it onto a cake?

freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/up…/2023/06/FreeBSD_timeline_16x20.pdf ?

yes

Interesting, FreeBSD had softdeps a year before NetBSD. I always thought NetBSD originated it, but it's Kirk's code, according to CVS.

Frank van der Linde imported it.

(It was a rocky enough process that it garnered the nickname "softdeath" for a while.)

someone had the idea to try to make it into a board game

but we have so far not managed to make a decent set of rules

I like it.

Wow, I never remember that 4.2BSD is as old as it is.

AllanJude: grahamperrin: Do either of you know if that is free to be printed up, say, in poster form?

Seems appropriate to put up near my Thompson/Ritchie poster.

I got a fold-out version if it in the special print copy of the FreeBSD Journal

i don't know about the pdf

<freebsdfoundation.org/blog/celebrat…bsd-freebsd-journal-special-edition> "… PDF of the timeline poster is included. …"

Title: Celebrating 30 Years of FreeBSD – FreeBSD Journal Special Edition | FreeBSD Foundation

mason: for personal use, I expect it is fine. If you are going to try to start a merch store: not so much

Hah. Nah, just for my office wall. I wonder if the special edition will be available outside of events.

gpart bootcode -p /boot/boot1.efi -i11 ada0 why operation not permitted?

tyler82: pause for a moment, which version of FreeBSD?

grahamperrin: 13.2 REL

OK, don't attempt to use gpart in that way …

<freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/relnotes/#boot>

Title: FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE Release Notes | The FreeBSD Project

tyler82: .efi files go onto an ESP (a fat12/16/32 partition, a few hundred MB in size) into BOOT\EFI\BOOTX64.EFI

> … To update old ESP partitions, users should stop using the gpart(8) utility. …

grahamperrin: ok. as i was raping google search already but everywhere are the old methods....

tyler82: from the .efi I assume that it's an ESP, am I correct?

Sorry, EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI

debdrup: correct

Wrong person, I think.

It's a tad naughty to not have the same precaution in release notes for 13.1 and 13.2 …

but man page days boot1=bootx64.efi

says

grahamperrin: efi

not esp

boot1.efi isn't the loader, loader.efi is.

boot1.efi is also, at some point, going to be deprecated.

debdrup: sorry. my bad

It's roughly equivalent to this stage of the BIOS loader: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/arch-handbook/boot/#boot-boot1

Title: Chapter 1. Bootstrapping and Kernel Initialization | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

tyler82: if not an ESP, sorry. A knee-jerk from seeing so many spoils.

(EFI system partition)

so what could be rhe right command in my case? gpart bootcode -p /boot/BOOTx64.efi -i11 ada0 ?

fstyp /dev/ada0p11

– what's the file system type at 11?

You're multi-booting, right? What's the thing you boot into as standard?

grahamperrin: msdosfs

fat

Grub? rEFInd? Something else?

debdrup: nothing. i use plain BIOS entry

So you shouldn't be using an ESP at all.

debdrup: Ok

Are you sure it's actually a BIOS and not something that looks like a BIOS but is actually UEFI?

debdrup: No. its UEFI. Even the BIOS entry starts with "UEFI: FreeBSD 13.2"

"Plain BIOS entry" is a INT 0x19 which reads the first 512 bytes of what the BIOS determines to be the first disk that's accessible (either A: or C: in BIOS nomenclature).

Alright, so next step - is it configured to use UEFI-CSM (sometimes also known as UEFI Compatibility Boot, or something along those lines)?

i was disabling legacy on my BIOS long time. it does use UEFI only now.

debdrup: Yep

That doesn't jibe with "UEFI: FreeBSD 13.2"..

That can only exist if it's not using UEFI-CSM, because UEFI-CSM emulates the INT 0x19 thing mentioned above.

Can you please put `gpart show` in a pastebin?

And similarly, the output of `efibootmgr` (which must be run as root).

debdrup: Sure. i just did poweroff now LiveCD. Will try boot now. Bare with me...

No worries :)

I'm just sitting here next to my fan, so I'm quite comfortable even if it's too warm.

debdrup: haha. same here :)

debdrup: pasteboard.co/FI5LlwKzj972.jpg

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U can see three efi partitions. the bottom one p11 is for freebsd

1GB for an ESP is probably on the big side, but just for shigs and tiggles, can you try mounting partition 3 and 4, and checking their layout, then try to replicate that with /boot/loader.efi as the EIF file?

Replicate that on partition 11, I mean

Then you'll likely also need to add an entry to the EFI boot manager via efibootmgr(8)

aham....

Also, can you please do file -s /dev/ada0p3 and /dev/ada0p4 and /dev/ada0p11 and put those in a pastebin too?

pasteboard.co/FW3qhRYC2egG.jpg This was on LiveCD

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file(1) with -s is a lot more verbose than fstyp(8)

Yes? What's the problem with that?

Other than the fact that you've filled your filesystem, I mean. :P

the problem was operation not permitted for gpart bootcode command

Because you shouldn't be using gpart bootcode to create ESPs, that's what newfs_msdos is for.

gpart bootcode is used to write MBR bootcode, not ESPs.

debdrup: Yes Sir

No need for such formality.

debdrup: newfs_msdos? that new for me. is that a command?

newfs_msdos(8) is the manual page for it

It really doesn't do much other than exist for creating ESPs. :)

But since partition 11 already exists, I'm not sure why you're trying to use it.

format usb sticks? :)

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tyler82: what about partition 11?

one sec

debdrup: pasteboard.co/HLAL6afk8fXs.jpg thats p11

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Alright, so it is an ESP - now you just need to mount one of the others and try to replicate the layout on that by using /boot/loader.edi

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s/di$/fi/

What's the purpose of the comparison with df/gpart show and zfs list?

df and gpart don't know the ZFS dnodes, so it can't tell how files are being used, and it can't account for ZFS' inline compression (which is enabled by default).

debdrup: Replicate everything regarding the layout? so the BOOT64x.efi and the loader.efi will remain obviously. if i am correct ....

tyler82: no, what I'm saying is if partition 3 has directory called boot inside a directory called efi, then partition 11 should also have that

debdrup: yes. this is what i meant. :)

then you can copy /boot/loader.efi to EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI

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Isn't it already mounted? Check with `mount`

Also, is that from Linux? Because lsblk isn't available in FreeBSD.

Wait, is it?

pasteboard.co/fWSjOCWwjaGR.jpg This is partition4 layout

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Yeah, you should be able to replicate that layout on partition 11 using /boot/loader.efi as EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI

i do partition11 now. part3 for winshit i dont care that. linux(partition4) is fine.

debdrup: yep

EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI is from the UEFI boot specification for, I think, removable disks.

i used that on windows one time. apparently win likes to overwrite the EFI variables or something so it always boots first. but you can modify that file to prevent it

debdrup: partition11 pasteboard.co/gJcjdWvucsia.jpg Similar but efi is not EFI...i was reading somewhere about it does sense the difference...but cant remember

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That should work, but you can just create the EFI directory and put a copy of BOOTX64.EFI in there if you want.

So the next step is to fix up the UEFI Boot Menu, which is done via efibootmgr(8)

I tried diabling powerd and loading acpi_ibm_load, i do not feel any temperature difference during idle time. stays at 59,59,55,55. Does this mean neither of it has any effect?

disabling*

why so many efi partitions

actually, nevermind, i don't want to know

Well, because nobody follows the standard for non-removable media, which is to do the EFI\<OS>\BOOTX64.EFI thing that FreeBSD does.

There's supposed to be a namespace for every OS with one ESP on the entire disk that can be replicated to all disks in the system, but instead we end up with several of them.

Insert xkcd comment about standards here.

Hi. I am trying to install a pkg build from poudriere (lang/purescript) . I faollowed guide and man page. Build seems ok but when I try to install the package. pkg-install inform me that 117 package are going to be removed. They are package installed from port directly. Is it possible to mix port from /usr/local/port and pkg from poudriere ?

why does it want to remove them?

well I don't know

what pkg install command did you use and what was the actual output?

gonna paste them

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um. what OS version are you on?

on current

14

Well, see "ABI changed: 'freebsd:13:x86:64' "

yes I don't understand jail is on 14 port is on 14

pkg too

looks like your installed packages are from 13, though

weird...

/usr/port follow main branch it is current right ?

that's nothing to do with the OS version

ports has main branch plus quarterly branches

(main == "latest")

ok

ABI of built packages comes from the version of the jail you build them in

yes I am on main

so If I build kernel from main what is branch I should follow for ports ?

whichever you want

The system and the ports collection are independend from one another.

ok so I am on main in /usr/port

so latest as RhodiumToad said

How can I resync jail with my current port tree ?

like this? `rsync -rpzva /usr/ports /jails/blah/usr/ports`

do you mean a poudriere jail?

yes

poudriere ports -u ...

I don't understand why I have this package in 13 ABI

ok

personally I nullmount the ports tree so that there's no need to update

what is nullmount ?

And why I have this package from 13 installed. I have built all software from port until now

man mount_nullfs

poudriere will do the nullmount for you if you specify the 'null' method to poudriere ports -c

humm ok so I can use /usr/local/port from poudriere. is it correct ?

you can use any dir

I am looking the null method. But do you have a possible explanation about this ABI ?

did you have packages installed before updating from 13 to 14?

no I have switched on 14 at the very begining

and portmaster didn't warn about this

until now my workflow to update was cd /usr/local/port ; git pull ; portmaster -a

well you got the 13 packages from somewhere

did you ever manually specify an ABI in a repo .conf file?

maybe at he very begining

well then

non I didn't/. Where is ABI should be specified in pkg.conf or make.conf ?

it's normally not specified, pkg is supposed to deduce it

but note that it takes it from the userland and not the kernel

when I enter pkg -vv I can see ABI it is FreeBSD:14:amd64

it is ABI deduced by pkg

right, but when you installed those packages with :13 ABI, that clearly wasn't the case

I just tried pkg info on one of these packages imlib2

this port was intalled as feh dependencies

so I tried to reinstall feh

from port

imlib2 was not updated

not sure why you think it would

I thought may be it resintall with the propoer ABI

ports doesn't really understand ABIs. only pkg does

ports just assumes everything was built for the current system.

is it possible to check ABI for a given package ? I would like to do that on feh

I think I need to rebuild this ports. But I would like to be sure

pkg query '%q' pkgname

thanks

Indeed I ahve many mixed package with 13 and 14 ABI

ok so if I rebuild the package I get the proper ABI

just tried with imlib2

right, but ports doesn't know to check the ABI of an installed port when checking dependencies, as far as I know

yes it is the reason why it doesn't try to reinstall imlib2 reinstalling feh

right ?

but if I try to list problematic package and try to rebuild them I can maybe save time. (Instead rebuild all software I need from scratch)

is there anything like the virt-manager gui app on linux for bhyve? or is it all cli only?

Midjak, Perhaps. You may still find that something may need to re-link, causing another round of reinstallation (due to ABI or dependency changes) at some later point

parv, yes I think package on 14 was migrateafter an upgrade

if something went wrong I will restart from begiiinng

markmcb: I believe virt-manager works for bhyve too.

debdrup: thanks, i had no idea (libvirt.org/drvbhyve.html)

Didn't know that too. That's interesting. (That said using it from cli is ok for me)

A quick question about the status of 14-CURRENT, is there any status update on how complete the openssl merge is? Last I heard there were some ports that needed updating and was curious if that was the only thing blocking it so far

Have you been reading current@?

Cf lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-June/003823.html

Title: OpenSSL 3.0 in the base system update

debdrup: I didn't know that mailing list existed, somehow, thank you

or, well, I suppose I did, I just didn't know I was reading the mailing list archives

how can you run current without knowing about current@? :P

I knew how to build kernels, and wondered what would happen if I built the tip of origin/main on my working copy :P

in all seriousness, I had been reading the news from my browser for some time, and just didn't make the connection to the mailing list in my head.

I've been tracking 14-CURRENT mostly because of the bump in drm-kmod and have been anticipating its release so I can put 515 on a bare metal machine that otherwise has to use an EFI fb

for the record after rebuilding wrong ports pkg install hs-purescript without problem . Thanks for your help.

nkeck72: it's *actually* illegal to run CURRENT without being subscribed to freebsd-current@

I want a lawyer D:

I'm not sure we have enough lawyers on retainer to just willy nilly provide one

hi

I guess I was more talking about how it's hard to find documentation on how to run -STABLE or -CURRENT, which doesn't mention the mailing lists and the recommendation to be subscribed to them.

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