does freebsd support usb ethernet adapters?

yes

meena: There was an interesting article on AI models today on SlashDot: slashdot.org/story/23/06/13/2057209…s-ai-trains-on-ai-generated-content

Title: Researchers Warn of 'Model Collapse' As AI Trains On AI-Generated Content - Slashdot

ai must be the most (incorrectly) abused of 2023

abused *word

acronym

but yeah

hello - i'm trying to find some magic numbers. specifically, FIODGNAME on arm64 freebsd...

i found these - github.com/pkg/taptun/blob/master/taptun_freebsd_386.go#LL8C2-L8C11 & github.com/pkg/taptun/blob/master/taptun_freebsd_amd64.go

Title: taptun/taptun_freebsd_386.go at master · pkg/taptun · GitHub

but i'm not sure where they came from

it's used for finding an interface name given its fd - github.com/pkg/taptun/blob/master/taptun_freebsd.go#L15-L23

Title: taptun/taptun_freebsd.go at master · pkg/taptun · GitHub

it seems to be defined in /usr/include/sys/filio,h

/usr/include/sys/filio.h

I'm not sure why that code isn't using fdevname(), but whatever

To anyone who subscribes to the freebsd-current list: did you receive my email with the following title?

> Directory 1002/ missing from /var/run/user/

Yes.

Oops that was an old draft message, just resent …

i have Directory 1002/ missing from /var/run/user/ without >

is this fine?

angry_vincent: did you receive (via the list) two emails with the same subject line? I can see replies to the second. The first one had a screenshot

i received only 1 email

Yeah the first one is missing from <lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-June>.

Title: freebsd-current⊙Fo

<bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=268719>

Title: 268719 – Inform the sender when an email to a FreeBSD list is rejected

RhodiumToad: i don't think go has an fdevname in stdlib, so it'd probably require a bit of cgo?

i'm unclear on how to interpret this - #define FIODGNAME_32 _IOC_NEWTYPE(FIODGNAME, struct fiodgname_arg32)

hmm, looks to be the same on arm64 as amd64. i compiled a test program to print it out

meena0: do you mean, space strangeness with <gist.github.com/igalic/1fca3daeb7dc625b94d373a21ff51da5>?

Title: gist:1fca3daeb7dc625b94d373a21ff51da5 · GitHub

see sys/ioccom.h for how the macros work

whoami: ^^

whoami: specifically, FIODGNAME is defined as _IOW('f', 120, struct fiodgname_arg) which means command 120 of group 'f', passing sizeof(struct fiodgname_arg) bytes into the kernel

Does anyone know if there is some Perl|Python module with a better access via C|C++ API than me executing "sysctl" to read|set various MIBs?

parv: github.com/gronke/py-freebsd_sysctl still don't bugs tho

Title: GitHub - gronke/py-freebsd_sysctl: Native FreeBSD Sysctl bindings for Python 3

meena, Thanks much. What do you mean by "still don't bugs tho"?

that's just for get, not set :(

Title: Issues · gronke/py-freebsd_sysctl · GitHub

That is still improvement over what I had

gronke/py-freebsd_sysctl #20 actually, this is the only bug

Title: Sysctl.value is truncated for some structures · Issue #20 · gronke/py-freebsd_sysctl · GitHub

20 – No rules for libtermlib bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20

yuripv: but, if you add setting of values, I'll prod groenke to merge it

(we're in contact via signal)

No wonder I could not find "py-freebsd-sysctl" via "pkg search -x [-c] mib". Oh, look at that! "pkg search -x sysctl" brought also a Perl module too (p5-BSD-Sysctl)!

Sorry too many toos

meena, What is blocking work|progress on "set" functionality?

(mind I am curious; cannot develop that for lack of both knowledge, interest in non-Python side of Python)

parv: it wasn't needed so far, so nobody has implemented it

meena, Ah, ok. Thanks much

Hey there :) OpenSSL 1.1.1 - which is the default for the latest RELENG-Releases - is soon going to be end of life. The RELENG-Releases are longer supported then OSSL 1.1.1. What are the plans for these releases and FreeBSD 13 in general? Will OSSL 3.0 get backported?

OpenSSL 3 almost certainly won't get backported, since it'd break POLA.

As for what'll become 14-STABLE, there's at least one mailing list thread on it, that should answer most of your questions.

Thread starts here: lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-January/003101.html

Title: Version of OpenSSL included in upcoming 14.0-RELEASE

Oh, sorry - it's these ones: lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch/2023-May/000386.html abd lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-June/003823.html

Title: OpenSSL 3.0 for 14.0-RELEASE: issues with 1.x/3.x symbol clashing, ports linking against base OpenSSL, ports that don't compile/link against OpenSSL 3, etc

s/abd/and/

lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch/2023-May/000384.html is also tangentially related

Title: Delay in 14.0-RELEASE cycle and blocking items

Thanks debdrup for the links. I'll take a look at them!

No worries.

hello all! Can I use the "discard" option in fstab for the root filesystem and the swap partition like I do on linux? Thanks in advance!

I found nothing in fstab man page

...

then its not available

CmdLnKid: heck nothing in man mount either...

thats an ext4 only option if i understand it correctly. not sure why you could think its neccesary here

CmdLnKid: nothing equivalent? does fsck_ffs -E / trim the partition when mounted, my tests haven't been conclusive so I can't really confirm...

im'a ufs as root(/) zfs for every other writable area kinda guy with spinning disks for / and a variety of disks for everything else so i may not be best to answer that

CmdLnKid: spinning disks here too. One needs to trim virtual machines disks from the OS running in the vm in order to save space. FreeBSD running in a VM using ufs and backed by a zfs dataset used as raw disk on the proxmox host

ah i see what your getting at there

CmdLnKid: well, writing zeros to free space would work too, at least if you have zfs compression on :)

lol

Hi! I'm my C library using bmake's bsd.lib.mk

oops

2s

So, I'm making a C library and building it using bmake's <bsd.lib.mk> include and I noticed that - when using the install target - it copies all .a files to /usr/local/lib. Is there a way to install only the shared object (like `libtest.so.1.3') to /usr/local/lib, without installing the rest? Thanks a lot in advance :)

(I've read through the bsd.*.mk docs and tried to find something interesting in bsd.lib.mk particularly, with no luck)

gm

is there a way to speed up key repeat rate in the tty?

temp64: in x?

tmtt: try specifying SHLIB instead of LIB?

Demosthenex, no, I mean the non-X terminal

the one that meets me when I don't have any display managers running on boot :P

are you on a serial console?

temp64: kbdcontrol

that's what I was looking for, thanks

so i need to check a running process, what's the alternative to linux's perf?

check it for what?

what does perf do?

vmstat

Post in thread 'FreeBSD perf stat equivalent' forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-…f-stat-equivalent.54328/post-306108

Title: FreeBSD perf stat equivalent | The FreeBSD Forums

cpet: yeah, that was a deadend

Title: Linux perf Examples

trying to find what C functions a running process is spending time in

so runtime profiling

Dtrace then

dtraceis show syscalls

I'm sure you can Google something then

yeah, trying to get symbols from emacs.

so how can i tell a port not to strip debug data?

Edit the makefile and rebuild

Does our /bin/sh only supports a login config file, not an execution config file, akin to .bashrc, correct?

You can exe shit in the config

CrtxReavr: look for the mentions of the "ENV file" in the man page

you can have something like .bashrc with any name you want

the man page uses .shrc as an example, but it's just an example

Demosthenex: there's a WITH_DEBUG flag in the framework (I think that's the right name)

RhodiumToad: nice

Demosthenex: WITH_DEBUG=yes will enable debug symbols for all ports, WITH_DEBUG_PORTS="foo/bar ..." will enable it for specific ports

of course this assumes that the port makefile is written according to project standards

well, its emacs ;]

yuripv: I'll try that

Used to run erc in emacs that was fun

weechat.el was my favourite way to pretend to work back in the day >_>

Demosthenex: wiki.freebsd.org/DebuggingPorts

Title: DebuggingPorts - FreeBSD Wiki

debdrup: ty!

bsd.to -> SSL expired?

yep, i get a 526 error

It's been like it for a couple of weeks or so, I think

i'm on day ~25 of freebsd now. really liking it (headless server). is there any sort of user-contributed documentation aside from the forums? i feel like the excellent man pages and handbook would be complimented nicely with a few use case oriented docs. trivial example, i found sesutil quite by chance in a forum, but i could see that being a key callout for a "headless NAS" guide, which i imagine

might flow quite different than a "gnome laptop" guide (which would have no need to mention such a utility)

markmcb: there's a quite disorganised mess in the wiki, and then there's just plain old blogs

but, if there's anything we can do to make man pages better discoverable that would be great

yeah, the wiki seems like it doesn't know what it wants to be

exactly, i think a practical guide(s) that directly connects to man pages would be super useful

especially for someone new

i'd be up for hacking on docs like this, but doesn't seem like there's a home for it