hm, the website says it was released a month ago, I wonder why portscout didn't pick it up and notified the maintainer

you should open a problem report to notify the maintainer of the new version

i dont really know how to do that

but i can learn

:)

you need a account on bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla and then use the 'Report an update or defect to a port' link there, the summary should start with the port name so games/nethack36: in this case

Title: FreeBSD Bugzilla Main Page

as a fast but not so useful alternative (as the rest of the project can't really see it) you can email the maintainer directly (and if the maintainer has no time currently nobody else can pick it up as nobody knows)

it wont let me type in the component or version box on bugzilla

you don't need to change them, they are already correct

ok

(they are about the ports tree, not the individual port)

there we go, all sent

anyone with py3 able to make a quick venv and see if they can install the cryptography package? I've been chasing issues with it and just want to make sure I am not the only one

(pypi.org/project/cryptography)

Hello. I am trying to upgrade a port I maintain (www/hiawatha). When I see the Makefile as it currently is, I see there is no exact filename for MASTER_SITES and the ports tree pulls down the old version. How do I tell the ports tree to pull down the more recent version of the source code? Am I thinking about this all wrong? I am also going off of: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/upgrading/#preamble

Title: Chapter 11. Upgrading a Port | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

hey jauntyd, this question has better chances of being answered in #freebsd-ports channel

(you can also try #bsdports on efnet)

ty

/j #fog

oops

I suddenly miss 2 devices under /dev/sndstat and have no idea where to start :(

any idea where to start?

So, the port net/wireguard is a metaport which installs wireguard-kmod, whose descr says is "new, unvetted, possibly buggy," etc. Should I be worried and used the "go" version instead?

ghoti: no

the scare warnings should probably go away, we deemed it ok enough to go into base

ghoti: the current wireguard code has been thoroughly scrutinized and reviewed.

I have installed freebsd on one disk. Now i want to use raid0 to add another disk. So now my OS will be on 2 disks via raid0. Can I add the second disk in freebsd or I have to reinstall the OS again? note that the OS is disk encrypted via GELI I think. The other disk should be encrypted as well.

Letiute: what filesystem do you use? if it is zfs it is easy to add drives to a pool, with ufs no idea

zfs

nimaje will it be raid0 after adding drive and can I configure raid0 like that?

nimaje thre?

nimaje I am worried about freebsd and zfs community support. Not much users as compared to linux

you want to setup encryption for your disk and then add it see docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/zfs/#zfs-zpool-attach (you probably want to read the whole page not just that section)

Title: Chapter 21. The Z File System (ZFS) | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

nimaje the disk is already encrypted . I chose it during installation

now I am adding a new disk.

thats the thing I want to confirm

yeah, the new disk you want to add, the other one is already in your pool

will the new disk be GELI encrypted?

don't think so, I have to do it myself. OR reinstall freebsd, choose raid0 at installation. IF I do so, will install process encrypt BOTH disks via GELI?

that was the only question

you have to setup the encryption yourself (installer would encrypt all disk if you do a encrypted setup with multiple disks)

I gues resinstalling and choosing "striping" with two disks would be quicker than i do it myself AND    BOTH disks will be encrypted with GELI. correct?

Title: Chapter 2. Installing FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

nimaje if I do while installation process, both disks will encrypt. Correct?

if you put both in the stripe there and choose to encrypt disks then both will be encrypted

I see. that would sum up. thanks!

nimaje better for me to just reinstall...

When I add disk to simple pools for storage, the data is written on random places ie some files will go on one drive, others on other. If I loose one drive, that would mean I might loose some random/unknown data? Not talking about raid this time.

not sure if zfs can rescue any data if a part of a stripe fails

it cant

I think

what level of zstd compression is unsane for OS and database?  zstd-15 is ok?

nimaje but I was not talking about raid/strip this time as said in last line of parah

what will happen i nnormal pool?

is there any know-working solution on 13-RC2 for listening to music (either natively or in linuxolator)?

a pool is a stripe of vdevs, where vdevs can also be single disks, so in your setup you would have a stripe of two single disk vdevs, so if a disk fails the corresponding vdev fails, not sure if zfs can recover from that situation

elgrande: any music player? what problems do you have with listening to music?

spotify and apple music neither work anymore in linux brave nor in freebsd firefox nor in freebsd chromium. testing linux chrome now.

cannot call chrome

elgrande: I'm using Deezer and Qobuz several hours a day and it works just fine with native Firefox.

elgrande: Can you give more details on what doesn't work?

I am not allowed to get a third abo

My abo is not recognized, I am logged in, but can only listen to the 30 seconds version

elgrande: Like Spotify show an error saying it can't play? Or it starts to load the stream, but the seek bar stays at 00:00? Or it plays the stream but you hear nothing?

and chrome is totally broken on ubuntu

dumbbell nothing happens when I press play

elgrande: Can you play a video and hear the sound on YouTube for instance?

I can hear sound on native apple music, too

but only 30 seconds

can I rollback to 13-1 somehow?

maybe it helps

elgrande: Did you try YouTube?

Hi

the pool name set by freebsd is zroot I think. I had another drive named ssd1. How can I use it? `zpool import ssd1;` ? If I do, it says cannot import 'ssd1': pool was previously in use from another system Last accessed by xubuntu (hostid=53eb6008) at Thu Mar 16 10:57:50 2023. The pool can be imported, use 'zpool import -f' to import the pool.

Is this safe?

will this mess the OS or I create a new pool?

You need to export your pool from the system it was last used on.

debdrup am.. ok that system is 'gone'...

debdrup what do i do now?

Then you don't have much option but to use -f; it _should_ be alright, if the pool was created recently.

debdrup ok, so if it hadn't been created recently on linux, I would have been in trouble?

debdrup also, shouldn't I create a new pool?

Not necessarily.

Why do you think you should create a new one?

importing it in root bool is ok?

importing it in root p*ool is ok?

I don't think you understand how ZFS' pooled storage works.

I agree with you. this is my second day and a lot of reading and paranoid behaviour is exppected :)

Is zstd-19 the highest compression?

A pool can consist of an arbitrary number of disks (well, there is a limit, but it's pretty ridiculously high), in various configurations.

debdrup understood

zpool is one pool and zroot is some primary drive label. right?

No, zstd goes arbitrarily high up to zstd-1000 - but at that point you're wasting so much cputime, it's probably not worth it.

No.

zpool is the name of the pool of drives.

debdrup not even  for backups where storage capacity is primary concern?

yes and zroot is the drive?

no.

debdrup the command says " 'compression' must be one of 'on | off | lzjb | gzip | gzip-[1-9] | zle | lz4 | zstd | zstd-[1-19] | zstd-fast | zstd-fast-[1-10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100,500,1000]'

"   notice that zstd-[1-19]   VS    zstd-fast-[1-10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100,500,1000]'

Right, sure - the ridiculous levels are locked behind zstd-fast.

Oh right, those are negative levels.

so zstd-1-19 is higher compression?

in a nutshell zstd19 is the highest or zstd-fast-1000 is?

zstd-19 is the highest compression, but at that level you can end up in a situation where one backup can't complete in the time it takes before a second one starts.

ok

debdrup i cannot find a list of compression ratio for each

I think you need to buy a book on ZFS and read it.

but cannot find the benchmar for1-19

You won't find a benchmark. There are too many variables.

ok what level might 19 give?

rough idea?

and what might 3give

Does your CPU have SSE2 or not? How well does your data compress?

Nobody can tell you, if they're being honest.

its textual mostly

I can make up a number, but it won't be right.

I know

differs with data type

just wanted textual data idea

You're not gonna get it from me.

ok :)

no issues

I am setting it to 19 for backup

and 7 for database + os

kevans do we have a fork() function in our flua?

one concern is that zfs won't recompress old files if I change algorithm. How can I achieve that. BTRFS had defrag doing this automatically

Letiute: it can't.

ZFS would need block pointer rewrite, and that's not happening.

debdrup not even if I use `mv` on same disk?

Block pointer rewrite also breaks the implicit promise of copy-on-write, which is to never rewrite already-written data.

I have no idea what sort of situation you're talking about where what you're saying makes sense.

Why move things around on a disk? It achieves nothing.

ok

Also, it doesn't matter what BTRFS has. ZFS isn't BTRFS.

You need to absolve yourself of this notion that just because X can do something, Y should be able to do it too.

so rsync /old/ /new/ ; rm -rf /path/to/old

you can use something like this: cp -a /current /new && rm -rf /current && mv /new /current

Okay, just stop.

debdrup understood

You've been asking the exact same questions in two different channels, and you're getting different answers. So that tells me you're going to not remember half of what you've been told, and then you'll blame someone else when things inevitably go wrong.

thats your wrong positively made assumption. Also, I am getting different perspectives in each channel

VVD I SEE

Have some respect for the people whose time are being taken up by helping you, and go study how ZFS works instead of just asking endless questions that won't help you understand anything about the underlying concepts.

VVD I see

debdrup I just respect your opinion to which I differ

but I agree with the notion.

How to make these settings , mountpoints and compression ration permanent

after reboots

You set them.

kevans: Around? I noticed you're the maintainer fdor the Arduino ports.

debdrup and the OS will remember the values or the pool/drive itself willr emember it in metadata/info?

Letiute: go read a book on ZFS.

debdrup freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/up…standard-Compression-in-OpenZFS.pdf

Yes, that's a known set of data; namely the FreeBSD source code.

Unless the data you're storing is the FreeBSD source code, it won't tell you anything.

I said "text" earlier but I just link fyi

code = texzt

No, source code compresses better than text.

I wonder how

Because of how compression works.

code has more reused chars?

thats why?

It looks for patterns in data, code has more patterns.

a lot of users say "text" but mean "docx/odt", but they are zip

The open document formats use DEFLATE?

As in, by default?

VVD Does the OS will remember the values of compression, mountpoing etc or the pool/drive itself will remember it in metadata/info? Unable to find it in a "book"

Welp, you clearly don't read what you're told.

what did I missed?

[1678965281] <debdrup> You set them.

debdrup, compression method: deflated

compression sub-type (deflation): normal

VVD: Huh, interesting.

zipinfo -v random.ods

Wait, so can you pass random.ods through tar? :P

libarchive will decompress any compressed file I've thrown at it.

tar - no, it's zip archive

debdrup my question is (elaborating) that when I "set" them, "where" is that setting saved? in OS setting, drive meta, /FS . where?

I read "1678965281] <debdrup> You set them." the first time

zfs set are dataset options, not OS options

VVD thanks for the simple asnwer

answer

Letiute: it's metadata.

debdrup thanksf or the simple answer

zpool set are pool options

ok

All of this is covered on the actual books that cover ZFS.

sometimes 1st steps are hardest

Doesn't mean you have to make it harder for yourself.

debdrup people come to irc, forrums etc to discuss insecurities, opinions etc. books have their place. Else irc would shutdown. and yes; what VVD said. Also, by no means this comment covers my incompetence to read more in less time.

and no means it is not respecting others time

Letiute: irc isn't a doctors visit, you don't need to solicit a second opinion.

If you want to test things, you set up a temporary pool, and try your hardest to break it.

Worse-case, you trigger some bug that you can report, and it gets fixed.

Letiute: may I suggest you to read : mwl.io/nonfiction/os#fmzfs

Title: Operating Systems – Michael W Lucas

When I started using ZFS in 2008, I'd spent a few prior weeks testing all manner of things, deliberately trying to break them. I didn't succeed, so I felt fairly confident in the data resiliency claims of ZFS and have used it ever since.

debdrup: i just beat the crap out of my new server, repeated os install, pop drives, rebuild, pop drives, try to reformat or trash, satisfied, reinstall

Demosthenex: that's a more risky way of accomplishing the same

had a lot of hard time fixing mic issue. I have two options it seems. one is builtin speaker/mic /mixer5. speaker working fine.   another /mixer8 is external usb mic. How to change to that? the += command does not work... gtk-mixer all volums up

pastebin.mozilla.org/xhyo2TX8  similar issue forums.freebsd.org/threads/internal-microphone-setup-question.77091

Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/xhyo2TX8 (Plain Text)

Letiute: look at virtual_oss

i use that as a virtual device and hot swap between mics (ie: usb and local)

Demosthenex doing; thanks!

Demosthenex don't see anythign imgur.com/mItcz5e.png

Letiute: dpaste.org/XbRLJ

Title: dpaste/XbRLJ (Plain Text)

Demosthenex  sysrc -a | grep oss  prints nothing

Demosthenex should I do virtual_oss_cmd /dev/dsp.ctl -R /dev/mixer8 -P /dev/mixer8  ?

mixer8 is my mic I guess

dumbbell yt music works with add blocker, thanks

elgrande: Then I would clear cookies for Spotify/Apple Music and reconnect. Look if ffmpeg is up-to-date too, native Firefox depends on it.

Letiute: try mixertui, and get a list of your devs there

what am I missing bsd.to/Mm9L

Title: dpaste/Mm9L (Plain Text)

vbox related

a solved.

unable to select pcm8 USB audio for F4 [Capture]. If I do, nothing is shown imgur.com/5AsPKd8.png

it is somehow not assigning recording device as pcm8 /mixer8

Demosthenex ^

instead it is showing playback for it

not using playback but showing

that should not be the case

does kqueues EVFILT_VNODE work to be notified of changes to files/dirs in a nullfs mount within a jail?

Demosthenex can I have pavucontrol in freebsd?

that worked with same hardware on llinux

Letiute: yes. i think it has its own package.

dont see in search

ok got it

i see pavucontrol as well as pavucontrol-qt

rejoining

wb

phryk: re kqueues and EVFILT_VNODE: my naïve guess would be: probably.

i have no idea

pavucontrol did it. but I was not able to  get it working on chrome. works on firefox.

any ideas why?

also, cannot make volume more than 100%

chrome can't even see any mic except default option (which is incorrect/not working)

maybe this helps but unable to understand bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=245251

Title: 245251 – www/chromium: Doesn't allow to choose a microphone

Letiute: so firefox and chrome i think pick the first audio device

which is why i use dsp (no number) with virtual_oss

it's first selected

Demosthenex no, firefox shows full list of devices

freebsd audio is a bit different from linux

not chrome

and once i got it setup, i've never had to change it again

Demosthenex what commadn should I use then?

virtual_oss_cmd /dev/dsp.ctl -R /dev/mixer8 -P /dev/mixer8 ?

this will make it default?

_xor: arduino, you say? *runs away*

Letiute: you have to setup the virtual_oss service first

virtual_oss_cmd is for changing the service while it's running

Demosthenex what commands do I need to set it up?

meena: heh, guess i'm just gonna have to try then^^

phryk: usually quicker and easier than waiting for a qualified answer

but once we do know, and it seems to run against our intuition, we can open a bug, or fix up the docs

meena: not in my case, tho. i have very little C experience and want to do it from D, with which i have even less experience. Plus I don't even know yet when I'll get to work on this :'D

which D? dtrace D or walter bright dlang?

C is very easy, once you accept that it's impossible to get right. or even close to sensible

dlang.

I want a compiled language that's more sensible than C and C++, but i want to be able to use C APIs, because that's just the standard. D is the only language that ticks all those boxes.

wait for cppfront :-)

Letiute: the sysrc variables i put in the dpaste link are what i used

paulf: that sounds like one of those "let's just add an abstraction layer on top" kinda deals. i think i'll pass on that.^^

Zig for C, Rust for C++, D if you have infinite time to contribute yourself into a black hole

Demosthenex sysrc -a | grep oss shows nothing

Title: dpaste/XmQxv (Python)

phryk that's waht C++ was originally

meena: I *am* kinda planning on writing my own GUI toolkit :'D

paulf: yeah, and look how that turned out :D

Letiute: if you do sysrc -a | grep oss and have nothing, you haven't customized it. i gave you my settings for reference

it's not over yet, by a long way

speaking of gui toolkits, does the freebsd installer use dialog or something else?

Letiute: the second paste is my puppet config which sets things for sound

looks like dialog, but I am only sure for ports

Title: dialog(1)

fun. damn, i keep wanting a TUI library for common lisp that isn't an ncurses wrapper :P

hrm, now that i think about, iirc, bapt replaced dialog with something else, but i don't remember if that's done, actually, and what the name is

with bsddialog? :)

yeah, which has no man page

oh, it does

it's mit bsdialog, it's actually bsddialog

I guess somebody didn't like the implications that they're producing BS

Demosthenex unable to follow what exactly needs to be done here

Letiute: install virtual_oss. configure and start the service. then administer it with virtual_oss_cmd.

"bsddialog was written by Alfonso Sabato Siciliano <asiciliano⊙Fo>.", so i guess it has nothing to do with BS (being bad)

yuripv: maybe monolog would have been a cool name? it's not too late. 14.0 has not been released yet

that would get the system stuck talking to itself then? :)

gosh that would be cool, if it had an easily scriptable backend

so you feed it a seed file and watch it install itself

but i feel like we have different options for those scenarios already

Greetings all. What NIC + driver combo would I need on 13.1 to get NBASE-T working on FreeBSD with my ISP's new 2.5 Gbit connection? Searching for FreeBSD + NBASE-T on the web and searching NBASE-T in the forums is not getting me any answers. I don't want to waste money buying something that won't work. TIA!

FTR, I am planning to build a new router box from scratch for this.

unixman_home: great nick. what's NBASE-T anyway

ah, not quite 10G and on copper, got it.

i'd suggest starting with card models ;]

Yeah, it is also known as multi-rate. Basically rates between 1 Gbit and 10 Gbit.

pick a card first, then confirm support

I looked at ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark…hernet-network-adapter-x710t2l.html but do not want to spend that much before I know it will work for multi-rate / NBASE-T with FreeBSD 13.1. Pretty sure those use the ixl driver, but I have not gotten firm information that the driver supports multi-rate successfully. I can't just toss money at the problem with trial and error.

Title: Intel Ethernet Network Adapter X710T2L Product Specifications

I was hoping someone here had experience getting NBASE-T working and would recommend a NIC.

seems like last 2 versions of firefox make firefox not create new net connections and even close some. making it unusable

unixman_home: might be better to post on the forum, asking about the ixl driver

given how specific that question is

Yeah, Demosthenex, I am planning to ask on the forum as well. But wanted to check here first. Thanks.

I'm sticking with Google Fiber's 1 Gbit service, until they ditch the requirement to use their router for 2 Gbit.

'Course. . . the 1 Gbit is stupid fast for a home connection.

I've been digging into a test failure for a piece of software, and I think the problem comes down to posix_fallocate(2) fails on FreeBSD/ZFS, but I cannot find much discussion about that on the internet at large

elgrande: ports uses dialog4ports, appropriately enough

unixman_home: are you sure whatever's at the other end implements NBaseT properly? A lot of the teething problems of NBaseT seems to relate to improper implementations.

nmz-: I can't say I've been experiencing that; have you tried with a brand new profile (created with firefox -P)?

Hi. I understand the difference between pkg and using ports, but my question does the same source / binary ways exist to update maintain the core system? Like, is there a source based way of using the system instad of freebsd-update if I am on -RELEASE? Don't have a solid reason except tuning the system with march=native

acommonman: Yes.

acommonman: read build(7)

Ok Thanks

debdrup, that's it

thank you

Alternatively, docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#makeworld

Title: Chapter 25. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

thanks

acommonman: do note that march=native doesn't do anything, since nothing in the FreeBSD base system (with the exception of OpenZFS, which does it irrespective of what the build system says) takes advantage of SSE and MMX.

This is deliberate because the vast majority of data, both in terms of frequency and size, are sets of data that aren't very big - so because there's a latency associated with using all SIMD instructions like SSE and MMX, it can take _longer_ to execute short bursts when using SIMD instructions.

debdrup, I see. Well, apart from march=native Gentoo also use wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/CPU_FLAGS_X86 .. They generate it with a python script cpuid2cpuflags which can be put in make.conf. No such CPU instruction set declaring options for FreeBSD to take advantage of SSE / MMX and newer sets?

Title: CPU_FLAGS_X86 - Gentoo Wiki

FreeBSD isn't Gentoo.

debdrup, I know it isn't. I meant is there a similar option to force it?

acommonman: there's nothing in the base system that takes advantage of it.

Ok Got it

Also, watch youtube.com/watch?v=r-TLSBdHe1A

Title: "Performance Matters" by Emery Berger - YouTube

Thanks

acommonman: though, you can set CPUTYPE= yourcpu to maybe gain something

acommonman: no, it won't gain anything.

That's the entire point of what I just said.

I understand

he can try and judge for himself. There is such possibility to set cpu optimized variable

angry_vincent: that's why I linked to the presentation above.

It's not a matter of "judge for yourself"; statistics is an actual field of science where we have the tools to figure out if A´ is faster than A, with the correlary that if we don't control for the act of optimization, we don't know if A or A´ is faster despite the fact that A´ may appear faster.

acommonman: read this one cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk

Title: bsd.cpu.mk « mk « share - src - FreeBSD source tree

acommonman: if you still want to try

acommonman: i have set CPUTYPE= sandybridge for my cpu

acommonman: in /etc/make.conf

CPUTYPE doesn't build code that suddenly includes SIMD instructions.

debdrup: that talk looks class

meena: there's also a follow-up that's called "performance really matters"

In reality, the binaries produced by FreeBSD target the Pentium Pro micro-architecture, according to cgit.freebsd.org/src/blame/contrib/…Driver/ToolChains/Arch/X86.cpp#n115 - but even if you change that, it doesn't suddenly produce machine-code that includes SIMD instructions.

Title: X86.cpp « Arch « ToolChains « Driver « lib « clang « llvm-project « contrib - src - FreeBSD source tree

debdrup, got it. But the ports are a different matter right? Can they benefit from CPU instructions?

acommonman: that depends on their build infrastructure, which ports have no control over.

The third party software's build infrastructure, I mean.

Oh ok

debdrup, I have no way to test the NBASE-T implementation yet as I don't have a system that can take advantage of it. Once I have hardware that I know is supposed to work, then I can bug my tech guys at the ISP if it does not. That said, one of my cow-orkers has a MicroTik router build that he showed me is working at 2.5 Gbit with the local ISP.

unixman_home: most of the implementation problems I've heard of have been from NICs in computers to switches on a local network (which, incidentally, is also, seemingly,the biggest use-case, since it lets people get more bandwidth without upgrading cables)

unixman_home: i have various aquantia (or how it's really spelled) working on gigabyte motherboards with a driver from ports, not that i could really "recommend" it, didn't do any real bandwidth testing

s/MicroTik/MikroTik/ up there.

yuripv: have that port been updated to support the newer NICs?

I will be going direct from the cable modem to my router. Any switches will be after the router. As long as the router gets full rate, I will be happy.

not sure, both my nics (5gb and 10gb ones) worked with the version from an year ago

Aquantia/aqtion-freebsd c664598 was committed after the last update, so it looks like no.

Title: adds aqc107 with AQ_DEVICE_ID_0001 · Aquantia/aqtion-freebsd@c664598 · GitHub

last update to the port, I mean

Planning to get a switch that can take a 10Gbit SFP to put between the router and the LAN. Overkill for now, but ISP is talking about eventually providing 10Gbit to the home, so I am planning ahead.

unixman_home: Is the router some sort of DOCSIS thing?

Yeah, it is DOCSIS cable modems.

Yeah, NBaseT for DOCSIS modems has come up a lot in a thread on a forum I'm on.

FTR, this is not my current ISP. I will be adding the other ISP and will be paying for two connections until I get this working.

They're apparently all the exact same Broadcom chipset, but reportedly don't mix well with Intel NICs.

They just got their service out to my neighborhood here in the sticks.

Sounds like "fun" debdrup. :D

I don't know about you, but I tend to view "We're Intel who dual-licenses code as both BSD and GPL" with a bit more respect than "We're Broadcom and are going to buy up every competitor and stop releasing software updates to push customers onto newer products"..

Same. Especially the BSD license part.

Are versions and release channel of packages in ports / pkg same across presently supported bsd versions? Like if I am using FreeBSD 12.x-RELEASE / 13.x-RELEASE and 14.X-CURRENT is the ports or pkg (both quarterly or latest same?

Sorry if the question is noobies. I am still trying to understand how FreeBSD is different than Linux

***noobish

acommonman: checkout the table here for instance freshports.org/devel/dbus

Title: FreshPorts -- devel/dbus: Message bus system for inter-application communication

meena, thanks. let me check

meena, thanks

got it

that explains

Just love how FreeBSD handles the separation of the system and the ports/ pkgs

acommonman: Absolutely.

I mean its something that is a total mess in a lot of LTS linux distros like Debian / Redhat / SUSE

One thing I appreciate even more than that is that if you just use programs like they are as they're installed, the config gets removed - but if the config gets changed, it gets left behind when the software is removed.

This lets you install software, configure it, deinstall it, and use what's left to create a custom image that installs exactly as you want it.

Ahh. That's interesting

is there any fast way to setenv a variable with ! without escaping all of them ?

I tried quotes, double quotes, it still hangs on !

aka setenv SSL_CIPHER 'ALL:HIGH:!aNULL:!eNULL:!kECDH:!aDH:!RC4:!SSLv2:!DH:!3DES:!CAMELLIA:!MD5:!PSK:!SRP:!KRB5:@STRENGTH'

have you tried \!PSK ... ? last1

that's escaping

oh right

Friends, I'm looking for a unix program that can run a time-sharing machine, where users can do `chat` and chat with each other. Like IRC, but locally. like talkd, but with multiple people. any suggestions?

antranigv: icb?

antranigv: You could always just run a local IRC client too. I've done that.

huh, that sounds good too

antranigv: Or use wall/write.

Local IRC server*

ek yeah we do use that, I just wanted one for everyone together

there are several in ports

antranigv: Well, 'wall' will write to every connected user. It's isn't the prettiest thing but it works.

There's an application by sdf.org called com, which is perfect, but I can't find its source.

maybe all I need is a local irc server and a script called `chat` where connects automatically

That'd work.

Dump everyone into one channel.

antranigv: building a BBS? :)

rtyler yes!

rtyler well, a hackerspace, but I want these younglings to see Unix-y things

I just made `ssh jail⊙ha` where, depending on the SSH Key, it will `jexec` into a different jail :D

so everyone does `ssh jail@hackerspace`, but I get into my jail, and you get into yours!

cute

Lol.

.metals

copper to la luna

has anyone got suspend and resume to work running freebsd on a laptop

?

i can supend the laptop withouth an issue but when trying to wake up my laptop i always have to reboot this is happening on my lenvo x1 extreme

gen3

See wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops#Laptop_support .

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