do you guys know of a cross platform (freebsd & mac) piece of software for secure, encrypted communications?

ssh?

maybe... is xmpp secure?

what kind of communication do you want? chat, emaillike or something else?

i want it to be like yahoo messenger, chat, but with heavy encryption

xmpp has some e2e encryption (don't know how good suported), currently hyped is matrix (afaik most clients suport e2e encryption) but desktop clients are rare

hi there. i'm about to start playing around with boot environments. it seems reasonable to create a new BE whenever i run freebsd-update; is it also recommended to create a new BE when updating packages? are there best practices to learn from here?

I'm on -CURRENT so I just use src/tools/build/beinstall.sh - it's a shell script which can be used in combination with `make buildkernel buildworld` to install into a boot environment, which can then be activated with bectl activate -t.

I believe freebsd-update will create boot environments by default nowadays if you're on 13.1?

Ah no, sorry - you'll need to uncomment this: cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/usr.sbin/…eebsd-update.conf?h=releng/13.1#n79

Title: freebsd-update.conf « freebsd-update « usr.sbin - src - FreeBSD source tree

ah! i had heard the same thing, but looking at the manpage for freebsd-update turned up no mention of boot environments. but the manpage for freebsd-update.conf *does* describe how it can be configured to do so.

cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/usr.sbin/…reebsd-update.sh?h=releng/13.1#n624 It is enabled by default, I think.

Title: freebsd-update.sh « freebsd-update « usr.sbin - src - FreeBSD source tree

it does indeed to be enabled by default on my system, yep

thanks for making me read more deeply there

any suggestions about how to deal with package updates? does running 'pkg update' merit a new boot env?

I wouldn't say pkg update does, but beinstall.sh that I mentioned before includes packages as part of the upgrade, so I think it's reasonable to create a boot environment.

hmmm. okay, cool. thank you.

paulf: why…? (re kiwiirc in Firefox in valgrind) did you learn anything?

hey there, I just upgraded from 12.3 to 12.4 and got the following message: Installing updates...gunzip: (stdin): unexpected end of file

what is the best practices thing to do ?

you're beyond the 'freebsd-update fetch' step?

idwer yes it was from freebsd-update install

the second one, where it installs the world not the kernel

hello

is gbde still experimentalish without any endorsement of cryptonians?

meena I was fixing a bug in Valgrind

paulf: that's nice. i am not meena though

Oclair: hm, the handbook tells me to just run freebsd-update -r 12.4-RELEASE upgrade?

Title: Chapter 25. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

thanks idwer I got this suggestion with a twist "I'd probably roll back a BE if this is a zfs, remove /var/db/freebsd-update entirely, and re-run it"

Title: 464476 – Firefox fails to start under Valgrind

I have a fix almost ready

Firefox is somewhat the totem for Valgrind devs, the two main contributors work for mozilla

I successfully cross compiled the "world" and kernel from m1 macos. But how do I create a qemu image? As far as I can tell the make.py in src/tools/build isn't capable of doing so (atleast it says this when using vm-release) and the release.sh is for a FreeBSD host

convert from iso to cow2?

sounds like m1 is very different

in the worst(tm) case you'd have to add support to craft a m1 image yourself

Well, qemu is capable of launching isos, but since I don't have any idea how I now create a vm image from my build, that's the problem. adventurist.me/posts/0283 I tried using the same way as shown here but with no success

Title: Build a FreeBSD VM Image Release

paulf: what's your fix look like?

and I haven't really found anything else which describes how to build an image for a vm, which could be used as a non bsd host

paulf: also, how slow is it (Firefox, kiwiirc), under valgrind

oh, I have an idea, I probably have to create a image file with some tool, format it with a bsd capable file system and use the installworld/installkernel from tools/build/make.py to actually install the system on the image and then boot it

lockna: poudriere can help you build images, or enter, you try to claw meaning from the Makefile in src, which is how re@ builds images

s/or enter/or else/

I'm sorry, I'm not a english native speaker, could you rephrase the sentence? I think I'm not able to follow you

this says the same thing as i did, forums.freebsd.org/threads/build-cloud-image-using-package.74807 in links

Title: Solved - build cloud image using package | The FreeBSD Forums

oh, now makes sense

I interpreted poudriere as username

meena: the fix is to intercept sysctl kern.proc.pathname.PID and to lookup the guest exe and use that

it's fairly slow, as to be expected, but useable

lockna: English is my third language. poudriere is a FreeBSD project to build ports and images (i use it to build alpha.pkgbase.live )

Title: Unofficial FreeBSD pkgbase repository

paulf: is kern.proc.pathname.PID even a valid sysctl on FreeBSD?

yes where PID is the current process pid or -1

I don't know if its' wrapped in some libc functiion

lockna: re adventurist.me/posts/0283 that's six years old now. since then we can now build ZFS root vm images!

Title: Build a FreeBSD VM Image Release

Title: BinaryPath.h - mozsearch

Looks like it was a direct syscall

does it work on linux under valgrind?

almost certainly though I've never tried

Just say you don't know, instead of making assumptions.

I think that this is safe to assume

I'm trying to become better at doing just that.

It never is. ;)

Where do I submit bug reports? should it be upstream or do I bother the mantainer directly?

nmz: if you can, it's always worth trying to get a fix into upstream instead of getting it applied to the port.

An upstream fix, if it isn't IFDEF'd to FreeBSD, can improve things in general.

nmz bug reports for what?

I doubt upstream will care, but ok, I'll submit an issue

nmz: if you've submitted the bug report upstream and they don't respond, you've at least tried and can demonstrate that upstream didn't fix it when you later on report a bug for the port.

nmz which port?

paulf: textadept, ctrl+f fails, lite seems to no longer launch, and I'm not even sure why (maybe because I installed lite-xl?)

Seems like there's multiple issues, os maybe you should rootcause them first to know where the problem is.

I mean, there's more issues but since I can't use my favorite editors, its a bit of a pain to fix any XD. never stray from vim I guess

Eh, it's fine to use whichever editor you like.

paulf: lxterminal also shows unknown characters all over the place.

but that might be a missing dependency problem?

Hi there

I need to set some device hints, but it is not clear to me, should I place them in /boot/device.hints file ( which is read only for root ) or should I place them into loader.conf ?

nerozero: I would go with loader.conf, first

how hard is it to code sane defaults into the sound driver rather than forcing users to muck about with /boot/device.hints?

is there a way to tell which process belongs to what jail?

ivaat: ps(1)

debdrup: like ps -J jail id?

but i don't know to what jail process belongs :)

ivaat: no, that shows the processes in a given jail; -O jid will add a new column that lists jail IDs.

debdrup: thx

it's not convert. mount should be more appropriate to say for the qcow

I accidentally upgraded postgresql without keeping the old binaries, and pkg install -F doesn't find the old version any longer, is there some easy solution here :')?

deepy: check out the old port you need and build it?

deepy: in `/var/cache/pkg/` it might still exist

Not cached unfortunately

deepy: var/lib/cache, i think, has, what Kalten says

but hey the server is still running

meena: interesting: there is no `/var/lib/cache/` on my file system.

/var/lib sounds linuxish

it's not on my system either, nor it's present in hier(7)

/var/cache/pkg will contain old versions of packages unless you run pkg-clean(1).

look, people, after two rounds of Covid, my brain is a sieve, okay

Who needs a brain anyway? What's it ever done for us?

debdrup: depression and anxiety don't work without it

:)

meena: well, either of those aren't known for doing anyone anything good either.

alright, ran pg_dumpall. Now I can shut this down with no issues

dch: do you still netboot