1- What do you have in your rc.conf for WiFi configuration? 2- (about not seeing debug output) In /etc/syslog.cionf, check whether "*.=debug /var/log/debug.log" is commented out. If it is, uncomment it, save, then run: service syslogd reload

s/cionf/conf/

(For 1, use a pastebin.)

wlans_iwn0="wlan0"

 

ifconfig_wlan0="WPA DHCP"

The debug sysctl does nothing since debug is not compiled in, I just found that and I'm recompiling the kernel.

options IWM_DEBUG # is required for the sysctl to do anything.

you have 'wlans_iwn0' in there

syslog debug file is enables.

not wlans_iwm0

Oh I have that, too. Sorry, mental mixup.

adjust it, then run service netif restart, and wireless should come up

keys should go in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf which you probably have filled already

No, I already also have: wlans_iwm8="wlan8" ; ifconfig_wlan8="WPA DHCP"

I also have a USB wireless in there that works fine.

8 ?

what's in dmesg?

for.. iwm, wlan

iwm0: <Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless AC 7260> mem 0xf7c00000-0xf7c01fff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3

 

iwm0: hw rev 0x140, fw ver 17.352738.0, address 7c:5c:f8:dc:f9:3d

 

The only wlan entries are for the usb wifi dongle.

Hmm, that's iwm0 (zero), not 8 (eight).

As I said, the same FreeBSD install works for other iwm cards, just not this one. I am compiling with IWM_DEBUG now.

why?

kldstat would show if_iwm being loaded, right, here

What does "grep iwm8 /var/run/dmesg.boot" show?

font too small, i guess

er, yeah, if dmesg doesn't align with rc.conf it's also not going to work

wait. 8?

Holy...

Thanks for spotting that.

if your keyboard has a numpad on the right, use '0' on the numpad since it's far away from '8'

ya

I use an old VGA font that puts a dot in the 0. Easy to mistake.

they still should look nothing alike

... and it works fine. Just the 8 instead of the 0 that was wrong. Thank you so much.

You're welcome.

heh

... and now my root filesystem is full because iwm debug goes to /var/log/messages :-D

Logs are working!

:)

mv /boot/kernel /boot/kernel.debug; mv /boot/kernel.old /boot/kernel && reboot

I would have wished that it goes to /var/log/debug, but I think the kernel can't do that.

Is there a discussion of what "jv" is rc.d/jail?

s/is/is in/

looks like it's the name of the jail

er, short identifier

rtprio: There's functionality that seems to care about it.

eval _jconf=\"\${jail_${_jv}_conf:-/etc/jail.${_j}.conf}\"

yeah, i'd say so

Yeah, but there's more than that.

Follow it down.

I'm going to start digging through commit logs.

bbiab - I'll summarize what I find

i should really start using jails

does anyone here use freebsd?

sorry 😂 i meant: does anyone here use xmpp?

i created a muc, for freebsd

happy to hand it over to freebsd devs, but otherwise feel free to join: xmpp:freebsd⊙xf?join

... i meant, xmpp:freebsd⊙mxf?join

Hi. We have an old 7.4-STABLE system (Pentium 4) with a Cyclades PCI card connected to some external devices. We are using the cy(4) driver to control the devices. I checked cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev and don't see a cy driver. Anyone know the last release of FreeBSD to support this driver?

Title: dev « sys - src - FreeBSD source tree

Title: cy(4)

use the drop list to find it

you can't move too much forward on that class of machine (about 2004-2005)

12.4 has it

read carefully release notes on the major versions

lystra, you could probably upgrade 'carefully' to about ~10 and prpobably later reaseases with some caveats (attention to changes)

epony: 11.4 is the latest release that will install on our 32-bit Pentium 4 system. Trying to rebuild a custom kernel now with the rp(4) and cy(4) drivers.

If the driver is in the tree, does that mean it compiles? cy(4) isn't in the GENERIC kernel.

can't say without trying

if I was doing this, I would not skip major branches without their release notes an understanding what is happening in the kernel and sub-systems (and file systems)

if you're reinstalling from scratch, you can just prepare various last minor releases from the major branches

so 8.4 9.3 10.4 11.4 12.4

and compare between these

in your care about up to 11.4

"case"

Ok, thanks.

epony: Looks like cy(4) won't build on anything past 7.4 as the tty layer was replaced in 8.0.

interesting

I tracked well FreeBSD up to 12 but not with that use case

(back in those years)

does it say it in specifics on the 8.x release notes?

freebsd.org/releases/8.0R/relnotes third point

Title: FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE Release Notes | The FreeBSD Project

Yep.

that should not breat it though

but the multi-port devices are more picky

I forgot I already tried 8.0 12 years ago: lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2010-April/056403.html. My memory is going...

I was about to say someone had reached that conclusion before you..

to place the system on hold at the 7.4 release

and I recall well the SMP unlocking improvements in the 7-8 releases

freebsd.org/releases/12.4R/hardware still lists cy(4)

Title: FreeBSD 12.4-RELEASE Hardware Notes | The FreeBSD Project

Yeah, probably a mistake. rp(4) builds on 11.4 though.

and a number of other multiport boards around it

The nice thing about the rp is that there is a PCI card that interfaces with comtrol.com/rocketport-multi-port-s…rt-32port-rs232-rackmount-interface. Much better than all those cables.

Title: Comtrol | RocketPort 32-Port RS-232 Rack Mount Interface

breakout cables are not a new invention ;-)

there are also breakout boxes in the more durable variant

multi-point breakout cable are expensive and failure prone (cheaper version)

network appliance vendors make as much money on such cables than their computer-appliances

We started with breakout cables and then upgraded to breakout boxes. The 1U rackmount RJ45 interface is much cleaner.

mmm, i have some 8 port rocketport cards

lystra: wow

rtprio: thank you.

rwp: thank you

futune: thank you.

Title: magnet_web paste from Someone at 217.168.150.38...

huh

Which is the best tutorial or man for bectl (ex beadm) to handle upgrades?

ferz: the numbers after the man pages aren't a ranking, unfortunately, they are sections… so "the best" is "the only one we have"

xd

Ummm hi

I am wondering - how come I cannot redirect an output?

Software in question: Suckless' Quark: tools.suckless.org/quark

Title: tools | suckless.org software that sucks less

I get a clear output, but cannot redirect it into a file...

For example messages that I get when someone visits my site(s)

If I am delegating a DNS zone, but it will be on the same name server, do I need the glue records?

I can redirect the output, but it is empty

the file gets created if doesn't exist, so it means that the permissions are sufficient?

PredatorONormies: how do you redirect?

exec.start+="/bin/sh -c '/usr/local/bin/quark -p PORTLY -d /var/www >> /var/log/quark/quark.log &'";

Inside Jail config

Is the output you want maybe on stderr? Add `2>&1` at the end.

i'd rather go with rc.d script

> <cracauer> Is the output you want maybe on stderr? Add `2>&1` at the end. < I tried that

> <otis> i'd rather go with rc.d script < What do you mean?

And it still prints to the terminal?

PredatorONormies: i would recommend to use a script in LOCALBASE/etc/rc.d to start the applications

cracauer, it prints out nothing, not even in the file (wanted)

otis, hmmm this way isn't recommended?

Why do you think it should?

Like I said - it's a Jail

inside a Jail

cracauer, should what?

What is the expected output?

A line that says someone connected

I think the printout is found in connection.c

Like I said - without any redirection - it prints normally

but I want the output to go inside an log file as I exit the jail and well - I don't have a terminal 24/7 open with it...

I could in theory use TMUX and then detach the terminal with Quark open, but that wouldn't log, just output to the terminal

So it refuses to print anywhere except the controlling tty? That's odd.

WhAt?

It refuses to log to the log file

I want it to log

I tried >>

I tried 2>&1

I tried >& or &>

I tried also >/dev/null, and I believe all combinations with each other

-probably al

all

But it prints to the terminal?

NoO

are you trolling me?

> <PredatorONormies> cracauer, it prints out nothing, not even in the file (wanted)

But you said that without indirection it prints what you want, no? Not trolling, just confused.

indirection?

Without any redirection - it prints out to the terminal, yes

Where does that text disappear when I do redirection to a log file? No idea xD

would like to know

I took a look at Quark a little bit, and it seems like there's a printf in connection.c that does that printing out, but probably not as it has too much values given for it to be equal to the output(unless it's like not shown)

PredatorONormies: quark doesn't have built in logging?

Not that I know

you might consider starting it with daemon(8), it will capture stderr and log it to a file for you

Although I also think it wouldn't be that difficult, either

to implement I mean

daemon?

log it to a file? o.o

I don't want to capture stderr, I want all Quark output to be captured (normal text, too)

daemon will do that

Unless I don't know what I want

zfs-send'ing between two different pools doesn't have any rsync like features? Before my home dir was on a UFS that was rsync'ed to a mirrored zpool where snapshots were created. That home dir is now on a single disk zpool. There's no zfs'ish like features to get a snapshot of it to the existing mirrored zpool that would use less CPU/bandwidth/resources?

OWO

It seems rsyncing it to the mirrored zpool is still the best option?

Otherwise zfs-send is sending all the data?

daemon -S quark <arguments> and shit will go to syslog. which you can configure to spit into your own quark log

or daemon -o /var/log/quark quark <arguments>

skered: no, unless you do an incremental zfs-send

o.o

is that doing what you want?

1min

is it okay to launch quark/daemon as I did until now?

from /etc/jails.conf ?

> otis> PredatorONormies: i would recommend to use a script in LOCALBASE/etc/rc.d to start the applications < This

with exec.start? i don't care, i don't think it matters

if quark doesn't have a rc.d file and you can't be bothered to write one just keep doing what you're doing

:)

> daemon: quark: No such file or directory

full path to Quark?

yep

does not work

nothing

did /usr/local/bin/quark

and now nothing prited out

let me try removing the file completely

well it should go to the log file you specified

hrm, it's not seeming to work

xD not loading wait

huh you tried?

Yeah nothing

the file didn't even get created this time

why

hmmm DIR permission problems?

drwxr-xr-x

you start it as root, yeah? so daemon should be able to write where ever

It's in /etc/jail.conf

wait

umm

XD

brb

i might mention if you need logging, you might consider a less sucky web server

which is ironic considering the domain name this one came from

you mean a more sucky web browser?

xD

Logging apparently works for them

I forgot to mention that, rtprio

That's why I came to #FreeBSD

Talked to Quark's creator, I believe.

By the way this is the command I did now "exec.start+="/bin/sh -c 'daemon -o /var/log/quark/quark.log /usr/local/bin/quark -p 28000 -l -d /var/www'";"

no, i mean a less sucky webserver than can actually write real logs somewhere other than stdout

PredatorONormies: and is it working?

Yeah.. it's a bit stupid to write logs to stdout and not to a log lol

not working lol

I like daemon's -S option

let me try that

in conjuction with -o

i thought it was one or the other

:/

we'll see

even lighttpd logs to a file 🤷

yeah, but how big is it?

nope tried both options

nada

> wc -l *c *h

3240

line

with comments and everything

Quark

why do you even need to log static files

In case of an DDoS, I guess? XD

And also my ego might like it

gotta stroke da ego

3kilolines is nothing

exactly

Ultra minimalist

ok. well good luck getting your logs

but instead of a printing-out message they could have written to a file

I forgot how to do it

I used to write C

fprintf?

I might try to modify Quark, but thanks for your help attempt :)

Isn't this funny, thought?

> connection_log(const struct connection *c)

it's called a log

but prints-out to a non-redirectable unuseful output

daemon should really be able to grab it, yes

i don't know if it needs a fflush or what

stderr is normally hot stdout is normally buffered in most applications

So it IS Quark's fault?

If that's so - I should copy-paste the last 3 lines you just said

messages

They must go quite out of their way to make a stream output that appears on a terminal but not when redirected.

yes, it is quarks fault. what did the quark author say about not being able to redirect logs

since you talked to him

rtprio: it's the new standard

when python -m http.server works better than the webserver you picked out, perhaps you should reconsider some of your life choices

daemon -o /tmp/access python3.9 -m http.server

~$ less /tmp/access

::ffff:127.0.0.1 - - [05/Jan/2023 18:19:09] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 -

PredatorONormies, instead of calling quark directly after sh -c; instead call a init.sh and put this in it: stdbuf -i0 -o0 -e0 daemon -o /var/log/quark/quark.log /usr/local/bin/quark -p 28000 -l -d /var/www

its just a guess but I do not have quark to test with

so

"exec.start+=/some/path/init.sh"

oh that's a utility i haven't come across

rtprio, me neither was just idling googling; looks handy to remember though

might be better to even call the init.sh from daemon

instead of the other way around

that means stdbus is called in the child

> <rtprio> yes, it is quarks fault. what did the quark author say about not being able to redirect logs < The 1st time I e-mailed him on the mailing list he said that he can do it I believe.. the 2nd time - he didn't respond

possibly because he thought I was joking/trolling him

lol rtprio

a init.sh???

sure why not

start.sh or begin.sh

like write a script and call it with exec.start from within /etc/jail.conf ?

you could even chain the commands with && really

but a startup shell is tidier

yes

can I just have it the way I had it now?

that did it, daemon

\o/

REALLY?

which side

before daemon or after

rtprio, you spoiled the fucking surprize nooo

just have to type faster

daemon -o /tmp/quark stdbuf -i0 -o0 -e0 quark -p 8000 -d /tmp -l

oh

so yes

faster?

it was quarks faul

oh

t

if it was before daemon it was daemon's fault

if it was within daemons exec child it was quarks

daemon detaches so that doesn't make any sense

of course it wouldn't have stderr open

if its on the inside of what daemon starts, the only thing buffering writes can be the child

because that is all you changed

by having stdbug inside, the child daemon created got told it has no buffers

IT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKSFUCK

FUCKY

YEAH

Y OU ARE A FUCKING GENIUS

just lucky with google ;p

you're joking, right?

What did you fucking type? lmao

what magic spell

"exec.start+="/bin/sh -c 'daemon -o /var/log/quark/quark.log /usr/local/bin/quark -p 28000 -l -d /var/www'";"

err

bourne shell no stdout buffer

in duckduckgo

0.o

its the second response

Title: stdout - How to make output of any shell command unbuffered? - Stack Overflow

because it was clearly a buffer write/flush problem

I see.

but anyhow learned a cool new command

How can I repay you? How about a blowjob

(gets banned)

nah im good, the dog / mrs would not approve lol

donate to something that deserves it :)

:OOOO

I like you

also nice name lol the irony

I know that is why I seen the problem irc client highlighted me to heck lol

daemon: lol, best be intimately familar with /usr/sbin/daemon

I use it regularly

hahaha

PredatorONormies: $20 to the freebsd foundation

damn

rtprio, oof

I might one day

But I only use Monero

Does FreeBSD accept Monero(XMR)?

i once made $50 with a one liner shell command to save someones ass in production, $20 is a steal

lol

i was really proud of it too, it used xargs twice! how often do you get to do that

there are plenty of worthwhile projects out there; that accept monero though; not sure! but you do not need to donate money anyhow, got an old computer or or something you do not need; perhaps some blankets for a local animal shelter? do whatever you can :)

Damn I feel so wholesome right now

haha rtprio

xargs is weird

I always forget to use !! and sed with it

xargs is a command I have never managed to use without both a search engine (examples) and the man page

its worth that writing regexs with perl -e

s/worth/worse/

daemon, I hope I can help the world with software.. alike Suckless'.. and try to help people like you do (well.. not nearly good like you, but yknow)

local animal shelter? Not sure if there are any (nor how that would help animals 0.o)

lol daemon

i use it all th time; ls downloads/*/*.rar |xargs -n1 unrar e

for example

daemon, can I ask a question? Do you eat meat?

I always seem to lose track when you use place holders

PredatorONormies, I do

I don't even have to say anything ..

ANyways.. writing an e-mail right now

:) have a good one! time for a little gaming for me

use the placeholder when the argument isn't at the end

cd /usr/local/etc/rc.d; ls s* |xargs -n1 -J% service % status

> daemon... instead of calling quark directly after sh -c; instead call a init.sh < why?

soooo

that was an idea to make it easier to write that stuff, but in the current form you shouldn't need a shell anymore exec.start+="daemon -o /var/log/quark/quark.log stdbuf -i0 -o0 -e0 quark -p 28000 -l -d /var/www"; probably works fine

anything I should tell him in e-mail other than copy-pasting most of what you two said? xD

1 (on FreeBSD)

2

3 ...

4 <rtprio> daemon should really be able to grab it, yes

5 <rtprio> i don't know if it needs a fflush or what

6 <daemon> stderr is normally hot stdout is normally buffered in most

7 applications

8 ...

9 <daemon> that means stdbus is called in the child

10 ...

11 (what we agreed that works)

12 daemon -o /tmp/quark stdbuf -i0 -o0 -e0 quark -p 8000 -d /tmp -l

13 ...

14 <daemon> it was quarks faul

15 <daemon> t

16 <daemon> if it was before daemon it was daemon's fault

17 <daemon> if it was within daemons exec child it was quarks

18 <rtprio> daemon detaches so that doesn't make any sense

19 <rtprio> of course it wouldn't have stderr open

20 <daemon> if its on the inside of what daemon starts, the only thing buffering

21 writes can be the child

22 <daemon> because that is all you changed

23 <daemon> by having stdbug inside, the child daemon created got told it has no

24 buffers

25 ...

Sorry for spam

> <daemon> :) have a good one! time for a little gaming for me < You too!

> nimaje> that was an idea... < Yeah I removed the bin sh part

It should probably be enough for the dev

thanks to you, too, rtprio

👍

I have a serial device, /dev/ttyU0, which I need to be world-writable and readable. I can obviously change the permissions, but, it does not survive reboot. how can I ensure this is always world writable and readable?

devfs.conf, nevermind. that was harder than expected to find.

Depending on whether it's always present, devfs.conf(5) or devfs.r... this.

apropos(1) is a good command to remember in cases like this.

hi guys ! is any modula-3 compiler available in freebsd ?

None available as ports, but a quiclk DDG search gave me thefreecountry.com/compilers/modula3.shtml .

Title: Free Modula-3 Compilers and Development Systems (thefreecountry.com)