rwp, are you starting all 4 cloudinit rc.d scripts? or just `cloudinit_enable=YES` ?

it seems here this only works if cloudinitlocal, cloudinit, cloudconfig, cloudfinal are all started

which IIRC wasn't the case ~ 1 year ago when I did the OCI cloud setup

dch, Sorry but so far I only have Debian systems at Amazon.

So I feel I could talk about the Amazon side of the setup since that is the same. But I don't know about the FreeBSD side of the setup.

However I am in the process of migrating things with the goal of changing the systems I admin there over to FreeBSD.

ok, this is very freebsd specific. the port docs just use cloudinit_enable=YES but this doesn't seem to run the appropriate stages, although it may have done this in the past

its 2am here so I'll check it .. later

So at some point here maybe not too far in the future I will be working through FreeBSD systems there.

Sorry but I don't have first hand experience with the FreeBSD rc script startup for cloudinit.

np, I will acquire that and you can ask me next time ;)

For me the way I do things I just need it to fetch a single script of mine from another server of mine sideways across the network and then run it.

And after that starting point I do all of the rest myself in the script.

I really only need cloudinit for the very first provisioning and then never again.

yeah, this is the bit thats broked. TBH ec2-scripts are far simpler and less WTF-prone.

daemonology.net/blog/2013-12-09-FreeBSD-EC2-configinit.html & www.daemonology.net/blog/2018-12-26-the-many-ways-to-launch-FreeBSD-in-EC2.html

Title: Introducing configinit

configinit looks to be similar to but not identical to the cloudinit I am familiar with. But being designed for Amazon use it seems like it should be functional enough.

configinit looks to be a domain specific language reading a data file to edit FreeBSD config files specifically.

Whereas I prefer a script where I can call *my own domain specific* setup process. But it is my process instead of another's process. :-)

Anyway... Get a good night of sleep and I am sure things will work better in the morning! Good night!

Hi, how can i block a package from being installed at all? I tried to lock the package but when i install something that has it as a dependency i have to install it and force delete it.

rubynt, I don't know but... I think you might have to create an equivalent package that's empty and install it to satisfy the dependency.

Because I don't think you can lock a package that is not installed to keep it from being installed.

rwp, thanks

Hopefully someone else who is more knowledgeable will know and jump in.

poudriere and custom pkg repos

or live with it :)

mmm, poudriere

cant really tell a pkg manager to not install a pkg when it requires it fomr where

pkg is awesome but still a pkg manager

another option would be to create flavors for said port

subpackages!

or stop caring as HD are large enough that 15 meg pkg shouldnt hurt

aaaaany day now.

I'm being a butt, but subpackages _are_ pretty much the solution.

debdrup, welcome to my world

What, being a butt? :P

amongst other things

if you want custom pkg poudriere

kinda overkill for just one pkg or set of packages but

it works

rwp, what port is it

pulseaudio

cpet, Not me. Ask rubynt! :-)

hrm

I don't know what package rubynt was trying to block. Names were not mentioned.

i get upset when I install git

then I look at my 1TB SSD and go bleh

rubynt: how would you control all behavior of arbitrary packages in the future? what if you just download some complicated package and it internally wants to have its own package X you thought you prevented after you get your hand dirty?

mictty, either all pkg or all custom not both

the only exception is compilg a port without and option changes

portmaster was resurected ?

cpet: I don't know how people manage packages but I see sometimes a large package has its own package such as python internally for compactibility.

always a way to use the system package

cpet: or I didn't understand what rubynt talked about...?

i dont know

right now only thing keeping me going is the beer

;/

cpet: beer-driven development

think the only thing ive done is update jailkit

cpet: updating? good enough. take care.

doesnt have a maintainer

and I was going to use it then no

dch: seems that incompatibility errors are gone, if somehow we see something else I'll update

thanks

I'd like to hear how people, who want non-installed packages blocked, want dependency chains solved.

I'd be surprised if that isn't a non-deterministic polonomial.

debdrup, not sure why it would be NP unless solving the dependency chain and load order already is. Just check each dependency against the "never install" list, and if it's there, fail the install, upgrade, or whatever it is the user requested.

(I don't see a way to handle it other than failing the operation.)

According to Titus Winters (a google dev bigwig) dependency management is the hardest problem in computer science

I'm pretty sure that's been known since the 60s..

(Tangential comment.)

Maybe? I suspect it depends critically on how the utility is supposed to handle such constraints, eg fail vs. try to find ways around them.

(I wasn't discussing the larger problem, which I know nothing about.)

I'm not sure you can just throw version control at every system and expect it to solve dependency chains for all use-cases.

Aside from the practical considerations of how much code you'd end up adding to basically every execution which would inevitably slow down things, even just a repo like that of FreeBSD is big enough that git isn't exactly what one might consider fast on a system equipped with an NVMe SSD and 16GB of memory.

I thought you were a crab, not a bunny?

If Snape can do it, so can I. :-)

True, no need to let bunnies keep you down.

Anyway, groceries run.

I'm thinking of moving from Ubtuntu/Debian to FreeBSD. What is the upgrade process like? Do you need to wipe clean and recreate the OS and then install packages? Or is there some upgrade functionality built into the OS?

To be clear I'm asking about after I move from linux to freebsd, what will the upgrade process look like from version to version

FNAShinobi: there's freebsd-update utility to help you with that

More about the topic is here: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/…e/#updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate

Title: Chapter 25. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Is there any potential gotchas that I may have to worry about? E.g. migrating my linux zfs pools to bsd

I never used OpenZFS on Linux, but as long as you're using the same OpenZFS on Linux and FreeBSD (which means FreeBSD 13.x as 12.x uses a different version), the only likely problems would be Linux-specific features (if any - again, I never tried it on Linux). If the version in base FreeBSD doesn't work for you, you can try the port or package, which was updated less than 3 months ago.

Thanks

hi

debdrup: its almost always pulse audio

pings meena

pulseaudio is garbage. pipewire is slightly cleaner garbage.

the former seems to work better.

i agree. although i use oss

Hi, I am having problems using nvidia driver in order to start Xorg. I installed nvidia-driver-340, my graphic card is a Nvidia 320M and the laptop which I am using is a MacbookPro 7,1 Mid-2010

Title: dpaste/wEsx (Plain Text)

sedzcat: did you try the -ignoreABI option?

Yesterday I managed to copy the system to this macbook pro using prime-list via pkg

Where do I put -ignoreABI?

xorg.conf

Ok, I'll try

Section "ServerFlags"

Option "IgnoreABI" "true"

EndSection

(I have a 15" and 17" mid-2010 mbp)

Wow new thing here, it reboots the system when I startx

Endless reboots since I have slim login manager enabled

ouch

(I dont use mine with freebsd fwiw)

theres some chatter on posts about using an old nv driver

good luck

dch: pong

dch: I need to establish a routine…

excellent the more people leave freebsd, the more there is left for me!!!!

not true

it's not a pie

is it a cake???!?!?

BSD == big, spongy, decorated (cakes!)

The cake is a lie.

the marginal cost of copying is low

life without cake is low

meena: gnop

Big Spongy Dessert

sedzcat: you can try the older driver-304 but your best bet is to look up on the NVIDIA site to see which driver version matches, and try that

FNAShinobi: the major thing to watchout for is that xattr is a common default on ZoL, but is IIRC only supported in newer FreeBSD ZFS versions

dch it is really driver-340, that's what said the nvidia website