What does ada1 mean?

after running freebsd-update, my system is booting from /boot/kernel/INS@n0RyGu instead of /boot/kernel/kernel. what is a safe way to correct this situation?

mdekstrand: that's uniquely bizarre

no wonder I can't find any helpful search results

anything special in loader.conf?

nope

it looks like the INS@ file results from an interrupted 'install -S'

but i'm not sure what's telling it to look at that instead of 'kernel', so I'm hesitant to just delete the file & reboot

how is loader finding it, though? Is this forthloader or lualoader?

kenv script.lang should answer that

lualoader basically only uses literal kernel as the name

there's no way we'd even try a kernel there unless kernel= was explicitly set in loader.conf

lua

at least that's what script.lang reports

the only file that seems to reference this INS@ file is kernel/linker.hints

what does "ada1" mean?

!man ada

ada(4) - ATA Direct Access device driver freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ada

device 1 of an ada driver

starting at device 0

does anyone know why they removed twa from -current? the commit message only said that it was supposed to happen before release.

link to commit

and sX is a msdos partition? does it use the same numeration as linux?

?

dksnd: s is usually 'slice'

effectively partition

mdekstrand: does /boot/kernel/kernel load and boot if you do it manually?

so is it 1..4 for each partition except the extended one where it is 5+?

mdekstrand: if so, I'd nuke the INS one and kldxref /boot/kernel/kernel, which should fix it

@kevans have not tried (this machine is headless... I can dig around and plugin in a keyboard and mouse and try)

or just delete the file and roll the dice and dig it out if it breaks

mdekstrand: if kernel file is there and a reasonable size I'd go that route

also does freebsd use avx?

kldxref -d and see if it complains about the kernel first if you want, to be sure

kldxref -d seems ok, so here goes nothing

grub has suddently stopped booting freebsd via kfreebsd

@kevans delted, kldxrefed, and it booted and now reports /boot/kernel/kernel.

thanks!

I thought the issue could be with "mountfrom" but it looks correct

grub finds the partition at (hd1,msdos11) so it should correspond to ada1s11, but it doesn't seem to work

mdekstrand: awesome, happy booting

also is it normal not to have /boot/loader?

That would be ... abnormal

On stable/13 that is linked to /boot/loader_lua

on x86

Right; should have mentioned the platform of amd64 in my response

does freensd have /home?

I have loader_lua but no loader

are the freebsd partitions bootable?

On recent fresh installs (in last ~2 years) I found /home to be a symbolic link to /usr/home

anyone know what is the replacement for -DNO_CLEAN for buildworld/buildkernel ?

WITHOUT_CLEAN=yes

nice thanks

koobs: reviews.freebsd.org/D33114

Title: ⚙ D33114 twa: Remove

There is dead link to "FreeBSD Journal" -- http:// freebsdjournal .cc (redirects to freebsd .com, available for sale) -- in "Community" menu on freebsd.org web site.

is a freebsd partition bootable?

Hi

how to delete a route permanently ?

i have a vps with a nginx jail, with rdr redirection through pf

i have a route on the vps which redirect all packets to the public ip, through lo interface

problem is then that acme-tiny can't validate my challenges through internet

because the packet is routed locally, and not over internet

i need to tell to freebsd to remove that route, permanently

"194.163.181.239 link#1 UHS lo0"

I should set up a jail for something or other

is a freebsd partition bootable?

it depends on setup

and which partition....

dksnd, on what hardware platform? x86 standard BIOS, x86 EFI, ARM, SPARC, what?

x86 bios

dksnd: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/boot

Title: Chapter 13. The FreeBSD Booting Process | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

see stage one and stage two

the commands you would often use these days are a bit different though

but for a ZFS BIOS system you have a small partition of type freebsd-boot that serves strictly to host zfsboot/gptzfsboot

so how the boot1 is maintained? is there a hook that installs it during the system update?

and then there is pmbr

dksnd: FreeBSD writes /boot/pmbr if you do not use the boot manager

to the first sector of the disk

that is if your disk is GPT

pmbr is protective MBR

I do not remember how it works for non-GPT disks, sorry

and with UEFI there is no such thing as a ‘bootable partition’, there is ESP

it is a mbr disk

speaking of partitions you need to keep in mind that in FreeBSD on non-GPT disks you deal with slices first

the DOS primary/logical partitions are slices to FreeBSD

adXsY

while with GPT disks you have partitions, adXpY

let's see if chainloading works

the FreeBSD slice is usually bootable as you install the bootcode into that

I think it was also possible to just bsdlabel the raw disk without using a partition table? but never tried

nope it does not boot

the first sector has invalid signature

chainloading /boot/boot0 prints a menu that has the other disk, pxe, and only prints hashes

chainloading /boot/boot1 just prints "boot error"

loading the kernel simply reboots

someone have issue with packet loss in a jail (not vnet) ?

dksnd: if the boot manager does not show a FreeBSD option it means there is no bootable slice/partition present

what can stop the partition from being bootable? how can I tell it WAS bootable in the first place?

is there a way to boot it anyway?

does freebsd partition know where it is located?

if the partition structure is changed, should freebsd be reinstalled?

you should probably boot a USB stick or a CD with FreeBSD on board and try to figure out your geometry

bsd partition is located at disk 1 partition 11 (which should be ada1s11) but kernel does not want boot from there and just reboots the machine

are there some loader.conf parameters to make the kernel print something and do not reboot?

boot0 is the 510 byte hand-written assembly an x86 BIOS is supposed to jump to and execute, as described on docs.freebsd.org/en/books/arch-handbook/boot

Title: Chapter 1. Bootstrapping and Kernel Initialization | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/stand/i386/boot0/boot0.S is the actual code

Title: boot0.S « boot0 « i386 « stand - src - FreeBSD source tree

it's bonkers complex for being hand-rolled assembly

I don't need boot0, I need the boot record of the ufs partition

it's first 512 bytes are not formatted as a boot record

that's stored in the vfs.root.mountfrom kernel environment variable, accessible at runtime with kenv(8)

in the loader, you can see it with 'show'

in the freebsd loader, i mean

I don't use freebsd loader

then i can't help you.

gpart(8) can also install bootcode if you're in freebsd and know where you want to install it, but it'll overwrite anything that's there if you tell it to

see the 'bootcode' subcommand

if the vfs.root.mountfrom is incorrect, would the kernel print something?

yes, it'd ask you whether you want to load /rescue/sh

that's the rescue shell, obviously

you might wanna read the BOOTSTRAPPING subheader in gpart(8) too

but how does it know where / is?

well if you've gotten past kernel initialization then you'll have to have some kind of filesystem to load the kernel from

freebsds loader understands the filesystems (both ufs and zfs) enough to not need an ram disk like other unix-likes

the kernel and loader configuration are both stored on the filesystem that you're booting from

so any third-party loader would have to understand ufs and zfs equally well

it's done this way to avoid complexities when maintaining kernels by having to copy files back and forth onto the ramdisk

the installkernel target for make in /usr/src autommatically makes a copy of the working kernel if the one you're building is different

also, are you talking about hardware partitions or bsd labels (software partitioning)?

or some other form of software partitioning?

i'm thinking it's the last one, since hardware doesn't support up to 11 partitions and you probably aren't using bsd labels if you're just installing freebsd?

partition 11 is the 7th logical disk in the extended partition

but you're also chainloading which implies that your boot manager loads boot0

Oh, EBR.. It's been too long for me to remember that.

I used grub that booted the kernel directly but it is broken right now

it _is_ supported

what's broken?

now I'm trying to bootstrap it

booting via grub

booting freebsd via grub or booting grub?

booting freebsd via grub, yes

well, what changed?

dksnd: If it's helpful, wiki.freebsd.org/MasonLoringBliss/BootingFreeBSDfromUEFIGRUB

Title: MasonLoringBliss/BootingFreeBSDfromUEFIGRUB - FreeBSD Wiki

mason: this is an x86 BIOS setup, as far as I've understood

I have no idea it used to work on april 21st

debdrup: I think the GRUB parts will be pretty similar.

mason: maybe, I don't know nothing about no grub.

That TLC reference didn't quite work out as well as I wanted. :/

there could be grub updates... but it should not break the setup

debdrup: GRUB config doesn't really vary whether it's UEFI or legacy - there's a little stub grub config in the ESP, but you can ignore that for this purpose.

heh

dksnd: sorry, I'm in over my head here. I used Linux for a week in 2000 before getting frustrated with the lack of documentation, and haven't touched anything but FreeBSD (except in anger) since.

dksnd: Anyway, even with legacy, this is something that you'd invoke from the level of GRUB that gives you your boot menus.

dksnd: the easiest way might be to figure out what changed, though

dksnd: This shows a legacy example. Much the same: wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB_Legacy#chainloader_and_configfile

Title: GRUB Legacy - ArchWiki

In this case GRUB's using the legacy specifier (hdwhatever) to point to the partition with the bootloader, and then "chainloader +1" to leap into that new root.

freebsd partition does not have a valid boot secrot

That said, I don't use much legacy any more, so this would take some experimenting.

dksnd: Well. Reinstall one from rescue media maybe.

gpart bootcode whatever

/sbin/gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr your-correct-FreeBSD-boot-partition-or-disk

If I chainload directly into /boot/boot1 or boot0, they just give errors

pmbr is for efi

Well. Whatever the right one is. That was the first bootcode EXAMPLE from the gpart manpage.

Maybe something from the following MBR section then.

the /boot/boot2 also doesn't look chainloadable, as it starts with 512 zero bytes

I could also try /boot/boot

I find the fact that no one knows how their OS boot quite disconcerning

dksnd: I guess. But putting that in place with gpart bootcode is probably better. Maybe functionally equivalent I guess.

dksnd: Well. I mean, of everyone here, you're the one not booting. Just saying.

dksnd: Also, verify your assumptions. pmbr is for GPT, but it isn't for UEFI, it's just for GPT.

For instance, legacy booting here: gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada0

Assuming that there's a single FreeBSD partition is probably the first error.

Welp, seems they left.

There are lots of variables and there's no one true way to do any of this, especially with the multibooting.

Anyone seen this before? "bhyve: vm_setup_pptdev_msix: No space left on device" Got it while trying to pass 4 pcie Intel ice network adapters through to a bhyve VM. Passthrough of 3 NICs works fine, but 4 or more fails.

What kind of hardware do I need to use the `ow` device on a PC? Would it easier just to allocate an old r-pi to interface with ow?

The gpiobus(4) man page mentions arm/mips/ppc drivers, but nothing for, say, amd64..

could anybody tell me if there was an answer to my morning question ?

It would be nice if I could hijack a pin on my parallel or RS232 port.

and kindly paste me the answer ?

eoli3n_: I wasn't here this morning. Might help if you asked it again.

why freebsd populate a route for the main if IP to route locally ? linux seems to not do this. Is that a route push by my vps provider or something that freebsd set up automatically ?

taht route

194.163.181.239 194.163.128.1 UGHS lo0

no

Is this an IP your machine learns via DHCP?

wrong line

ghoti nop

194.163.181.239 link#1 UGHS lo0

static ip

that route breaks things

i want to delete it, but i don't know how to persist deletion

static_route in rc.conf allow only adding route

not "change" nor "delete"

eoli3n_: if the gateway is "link#N" then it is an IP assigned to the interface, not routed. Try `ifconfig lo- 194.163.181.239 -alias`.

'S' means 'manually added', iirc

lo0

i forged the line

let me reboot to give you the correct one

ghoti i didn't get what you mean

what does that ifconfig line do ?

this is the line : 194.163.181.239 link#1 UHS lo0

eoli3n_: it removes the IP from the interface. Best to confirm it really is there first, of course, Run `ifconfig lo0` and see if you see it.

why do you want that I remove the ip from the interface ?

ifconfig lo0, to see if I see what ?

sorry I don't follow you

You wanted it out of your routing table. All local IPs are implicitly in your routing table. That's how to remove it.

here local IP si explictly

s/si/is

lo0 doesn't have ip 194.163.181.239

Okay, you said this morning that this was an IP on a jail, did you not?

i don't follow you at all

i'm just asking for a way to delete the route

`route delete <ip>` then.

why would you want to remove an public IP from lo1 ?

persistently

route delete ip, reboot, come again

What do you mean by "persistently"? What is re-adding it after you reboot?

eoli3n_: this is the line : 194.163.181.239 link#1 UHS lo0

after each reboot, the route come back

what sets up that route ?

Is it mentioned in /etc/rc.conf? Something in one of your /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ scripts?

lets check

in /etc/rc.conf i only set : defaultrouter=194.163.128.1

grep -ri route /usr/local/etc/rc.d returns nothing

it seems that this route comes by default on a freebsd install

but not on linux nor windows

What about a recursive grep for the IP in /etc and /usr/local/etc ?

what are you searching for ?

The answer to your question.

And mine

ok ok

13:28 < ghoti> What do you mean by "persistently"? What is re-adding it after you reboot?

13:29 < eoli3n_> what sets up that route ?

in etc i only foudn the line which set up the interface

in /usr/local/etc nothing

/etc/rc.conf:ifconfig_eth0='194.163.181.239 netmask 255.255.192.0'

Might as well check /var/log as well

and there's nothing like blocklisting software that adds stupid routes via lo0? :)

pf ?

Ah, well, there you go. It is the main IP address on your eth0 interface.

why lo0 though?

it is yes, that's what i'm trying to say since the beginning

why lo0 what ?

yuripv sorry, didn't get here again

Why would you send traffic that is local out an interface?

stop

let's restart

we are going nowhere here

.

So

It is literally the local machine, no?

i really meant stop

oh right, it's same here for my local ip :)

let me reexplain the whole thing

yuripv yes it is, for all freebsd install

and that's what i'm trying to understand

that route is illogical

and it came by default on all your installations too

so how to remove it persistently

the problem is that i'm on a VPS, and that route breaks my acme-tiny challenge verification from a nginx jail

because the route catch all packets to my eoli3n.eu.org public IP

Why would you want to remove it? Where else should a host send traffic destined for itself?

What kind of a VPS are you using?

and that public IP is locally routed by default

contabo

Does it virtualize a network stack?

yes, proxmox

"ghoti: Why would you want to remove it?" : because i want to reach my public IP from internet, to validate my ssl certificate

i don't want to route locally for a public ip

it breaks acme-tiny

my question is, why does that route exist anyway ?

no, that's not really my question

Reaching the public Internet requires a default route. Traffic to yourself is generated from an IP that matches the subnet of the closest interface, the route should be immaterial.

my question is more "why linux/windows doesn't add this route ?"

i have a default route

what means immaterial ?

not english native here

unimportant.

but it is created by default

let me paste all my routing table

Because traffic from your machine to your machine does not need to leave your machine.

yes, that answer why freebsd creates it

but it creates problem too

Yes, that looks perfectly normal.

the route seems logical, but not on a vps, when using a public ip directly on the main interface

Are you saying the outside world can't reach your machine?

i'm not

This is really an X-Y problem?

did you understand my main problem ?

do you know what is acme-tiny and how it works ?

i can explain from the begenning

beginning

Apparently not. How does running in a VPS affect anything? Your outside interface is bridged with the host's. Your localhost is emulated.

because, the public ip is configured directly on the interface, and my dns solve my domain name by this IP

so when the ssl certifacation process try to reach eoli3n.eu.org from the jail, passing through internet, the route catch it, and run it locally

so, this is breaking

because I need to prove that i own eoli3n.eu.org

Sure, you are renewing your lets-encrypt certs. But the problem does not make sense to me. There is no reason for it to do that as far as I can see.

from internet

Oh you do?

i don't get your question

i autoamted ssl renewing from the jail directly

So, is it nginx that is answering the door when someone rings at port 443?

port 80

You are using certs on port 80?

Or are you just using this for domain verification?

try this at home : 0x0.st/o3RU.txt

this is how acme-tiny works

check this : github.com/diafygi/acme-tiny#step-3…e-your-website-host-challenge-files

Title: GitHub - diafygi/acme-tiny: A tiny script to issue and renew TLS certs from Let's Encrypt

my challenge is reachable from outside

but not from the VPS

because of the route

which is sad, because the only purpose of this, is to be reachable FOR the vps FROM internet

I haven't run acme-tiny in a few years, but I never had problems like what you are describing. I was running from jails.

wrong paste :

try THIS at home : curl eoli3n.eu.org/.well-known/acme-chal…a16F1tSGBuQY9C7G9q2-5v_yvYtKisYRVSs

if you use a hosting server which have an interface configured with a public ip, and that route, you can't use acme-tiny

or i'm missing something

but here i am

So.. You say you want the IP accessible from the outside, but your problem is that you can't reach it from the inside?

I still don't see the problem. nginx binds to the port on the IP. How traffic gets there should not matter.

i want my jail -> gateway -> public ip -> rdr -> nginx

ghoti : if i remove the route, acme-tiny rework

if i change the route to pass throught my default gateway : acme-tiny rework

i explained 3 times why it is breaking, i don't know precisly how acme-tiny work

but the route IS the problem

or acme-tiny is

but i mean that both can't work together

So, are you saying that acme-tiny can't reach the IP, or gets something unexpected when it connects?

I think changing acme-tiny, if that's required, is probably safer than breaking your network.

removign the route is not breaking the network

I haven't experienced the problem you describe, and from what I know of the two parts here, it should not occur. So I'm clearly missing a part of your situation.

that route only exist on freebsd

maybe other bsd distro too

ghoti i tried my best to explain

i need a pause :)

thanks for you attention, anyway

and your help

did you read acme-tiny readme ?

the link i gave

if you don't get that, you will not get my problem

that one -> check this : github.com/diafygi/acme-tiny#step-3…e-your-website-host-challenge-files

Title: GitHub - diafygi/acme-tiny: A tiny script to issue and renew TLS certs from Let's Encrypt

fwiw, the route exists in macos as well, but that is expected. I have a vps with haproxy answering public queries, and it has no problem reaching itself. But my setup is a little different from yours.

The link you gave was not a readme, but I have read it before. I will refresh though.

Ok, the step-3 link was fine.

it is a readme .. why do you say it is not ?

ah :)

I clicked the acme-challenge URL without reading it closely enough. :)

xse, i copy/paste the backlog here if you have the energy

xse ^

I have haproxy in one jail and the web server in another jail. The jails have private IPs, and I do not use NAT. Inbound access to the haproxy jail is via a reverse-nat firewall rule, and outbound queries from both are through tinyproxy, so I always know what is happening.

Why do I need the chat log?

ghoti not for you

for xse

ah

I have not touched jails for quite some time but since deleting it seems to fix it for you i'd either:

1) script smth that deletes it every time the jail is started

or 2) skip the whole .well-known thing and use dns challenge via rfc-smth-smth

s/-smth-smth/2136

NerdyMcNerdface: if you're looking to virtualize lots of NICs, you want to get a NIC and a motherboard that supports PCI SR-IOV as that lets you assign virtual functions via iovctl(8).

Alternatively, if that's not an option, you're limited to using vNICs via netgraph as described on klarasystems.com/articles/using-net…graph-for-freebsds-bhyve-networking if you want proper network virtualization, vale (via netmap) if you need fast interconnects, or a simple software bridge(4) with if_vtnet or the like.

Title: Using Netgraph for FreeBSD's Bhyve Networking - Klara Inc.

here is the fix github.com/diafygi/acme-tiny/blob/master/acme_tiny.py#L187

Title: acme-tiny/acme_tiny.py at master · diafygi/acme-tiny · GitHub

Title: morse(6) sound

I wonder if you could use… eject to make sounds with your cdrom drive

remember cdrom drives? and cdroms??

meena: i doubt it

debdrup: thanks! Will look into iovctl and see if passthrough of virtual functions works better, and then vale/netmap and netgraph if that fails.

In my use case I have just 1 VM using each physical NIC, so PCI passthrough of the whole physical interface to just 1 VM is fine. But when one thing is broken I guess I'll have to iterate to the next. ;)

SR-IOV is by far the best option as it just gives you a bunch of what appears to the OS as NICs, that you only have to ensure that the host doesn't try to do anything with.

Netmap is for +50Gbps interconnects, mind you. It isn't really worth it if you're not using those speeds.

So, short of special-purpose hardware where SR-IOV is validated (which it isn't for a lot of gear, even today), netgraph is always the best option.

As several people in here can testify to, just because a vendor claims that SR-IOV is supported, it doesn't mean it is.

the VMs are going to be allocated a mix of 2x25gbps and 4x25gbps, so performance is definitely a plus

Netgraph should be able to do 25Gbps

I should probably add that it depends on the CPU speed, as does vale/netmap.

vale is made to go _exceptionally_ fast, though - back when I used it in production at a campus network, it was doing +70Gbps

nice, I think both netgraph and vale will be performant enough

I've got a stack of mellanox/nvidia connectx-4 and intel E810 cards for testing + a couple of dual socket xeon e5 2680 v4 servers

maybe I'll beat your 70 Gbps record ;)

koobs: You a dev?

jb1277976: depends on definition

/dev/koobs

jb1277976: and depends on what youre trying to ascertain about me :)

i am not a device driver no

:]

Lol

koobs: Saw your name right now on a bud report I was looking at for my mic issue

Bug*

/dev/koobs: character special (0/51)

That also makes me a character device, but is that because I emit characters or is it because I have a lot of character?

jb1277976: gotcha. see: wiki.freebsd.org/KubilayKocak#FreeBSD_Teams

Title: KubilayKocak - FreeBSD Wiki

jb1277976: then click 'Bugmister'

koobs is friend-shaped :3

mknod koobs

Bugmeister

awww

mason: what, making koobs nod? :P

thats one of the sweetest things anyone has ever said

i dont mind beinbg friend-shaped at all

called that, anyway

I quite like the descriptor, as it applies to most people.

aww, im not special :)

A special snowflake, just like everyone else. ;)

awww

So koobs bug 262579 for framebuffer computers like mine the last two commmit and a comment like two days ago so they can add it to stable

262579 – Framework Laptop: headset/mic input issues bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=262579

Does that mean I should try stable instead of release?

i thought you were on current for iwlwifi already ?

jb1277976: ^

koobs: nope release. I got discouraged v from stable and release cause I couldn't do freebsd-update fetch but I didn't know I could start installing stuff

Noob at work

jb1277976: bit of a tough tradeoff/decision to make, head (current) and stable get bugfixes (current more often, sometimes stable/ doesnt get what current does), and for new hardware and testing, particularly graphics/wifi, current is going to be better, but as you said, you dont get freebsd-update

jb1277976: release's only get errata notices (super fix bugs) and security fixes, so new features, driver fixes can take multiple years (next -release)

jb1277976: being on stable requires the same as current (source builds, etc), and current is better for you, that that drops stable/ out of the running

😁

jb1277976: So the choice is: run current, and do source builds every now and then (every few months or less), which is easy to do, and get latest features, driver fixes, and participate in the future with feedback

jb1277976: or, use release, and be constrained by not having the latest and greatest

I would opt for running CURRENT

The stable branches are good if you're going to be making a product based on FreeBSD but expect to keep a stable ABI and KBI throughout the lifecycle of the product (ie. it's not something that's always actively being developed upon).

If I go current how do I get updates?

Via git.

jb1277976: source builds 'make buildworld'

The development(7) manual page describes everything you'll need.

Ok

Current is more building then binary packages right?

jb1277976: more accessible instructions: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook

Title: FreeBSD Handbook | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

jb1277976: the issue of binary packages (from ports) is a separate thing, from base updates

jb1277976: the official repo's have binary packages for 14:amd64: pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64

Title: Index of /FreeBSD:14:amd64/

you can use those

or build your own

Isn't the word accessible doing a lot of work there? :P

debdrup: no

Dam I just installed arch Linux like 20 mins ago

but i did mean to link elsewhere

jb1277976: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#makeworld

Title: Chapter 24. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

jb1277976: you have the info you need to make whatever decision you like

Thanks

That quickstart is something I still return to from time to time, it's very good :3

i just realized: Firecracker is a minimal KERNCONF that actually works.

Hey! I just installed freebsd on my raspberry pi, anything I could have fun with? It'll be accessible over SSH

fragcula: I wish I could help, I generally install debian instead

wez: heh, me too. Absolute blast from the past for me (freeBSD). I inherited a server circa 2005 and became a fanatic. Not long after I became a linux fanatic

Excited just to have a freebsd box again :)

I can't for the life of me remember, but I used to have it on my laptop too. Then I think the distro I used died and ended up on knoppix randomly.

yay!

fragcula: what kinds of things/areas do you have an interest in ?

koobs: so far I have been setting up some practical things like mutt to access some email accounts

fragcula: any particular things you might want to learn more about or play with? network services, web serving, ?

I do rememebr I was utterly blown away when I learnt Linux and BSD had different calling conventions but didn't occur to me there was more stuff like that

dev stuff?

can provide tailored answers based on that

koobs: I've been meaning to start using matrix, homeserver might be good but think it'd be too low powered?

synapse might bork, but there's a go server WIP no ?

that might be interesting

having said that, ive run a matrix server (lightweight) on a very constrained virtualbox guest (freebsd)

and it was fine

golang server: dendrite

but there's also 'ligase

dendrite has a port/package: freshports.org/net-im/dendrite

Title: FreshPorts -- net-im/dendrite: Matrix protocol homeserver

\o/

that'll also expose you to ssl certificate automation (letsencrypt), network/performance tuning, etc, among other things

ligase doesnt have a port/package, so you could also tinker with that, and if you prefer it to dendrite, learn to port too :)

golang ports are pretty darn easy to port

ooo nice, looks like only synapse available I can see

its an older rpi so not arm64

koobs | dendrite has a port/package: freshports.org/net-im/dendrite

Title: FreshPorts -- net-im/dendrite: Matrix protocol homeserver

go based homeserver (much lighterweight) ^

oh sorry mixed up port and pkg. would be fun to see if it compiles :)

well, packages are just precompiled ports

so if a package exists, that implies a port exists

and that it builds

if you prefer python (over not having a preference), then you could always tune the hell out of the synapse server

good learning experience

but yeh, resource constrained, id start with dendrite, run package first, get a homeserver running

then custom build (via port) to tune/customise it

koobs: I tried synapse on a VPS not long ago and it was poor performance wise (I didn't meet the requirements)

I'd expect a Go version to be much better though.

fragcula: yup, likely, that was its prime reason for being created in the first place

Quick question. is there a quick guide to setup ports with git from the freebsd guides?

want the latest

git clone the ports repo

i believe there's a handbook section on it

with ports, the default is latest (there's no other preconfiguration to do otherwise)

as opposed to packages (quarterly by default), see wiki.freebsd.org/Ports/QuarterlyBranch

Title: Ports/QuarterlyBranch - FreeBSD Wiki

Ah, <codeberg.org/FreeBSD/freebsd-src/co…511cc052643a774f64f6450d18e7dd51d4a>

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