assume access to the copy/paste buffer

SpaceBass: acces to the + register aka clipboard

Nice

Im now realizing my experiment with Synth was a fail - nothing build with the right dependencies or options

SpaceBass: building stuff is just annoying

yep

idk how gentoo folks do it

I think I'd stick with pkg only if it wasn't for one port in particular that I use

they all get a thinkpad with a core2 and just live in the woods, compiling everything

I havent had a good experience with ports so far

A Thinkpad with a worn-out nubbin mouse

I like the nubbin

re-nubbin the stubbin for maximum pointer efficiency

oh woland you would not like my setups I'm rolling then, haha

I don't have a core2 thinkpad and live in the woods.... but I think mentally perhaps I do ;-)

wasn't that what Carmack literally did a few years ago to learn about machine learning? Took a machine out to a remote cabin with nothing but a clean openbsd install on it, with nothing but some books and manpages to build what he needed

edenist: I have a core 2 :) and instead of woods, I just stay in my room and read C books and suffer from Js.

Might be a bsd noob thing to say but openbsd was too slow for me

the various BSDs prioritise different things. They choose security over performance if I remember correctly

edenist: yes I realized that.

freebsd is fine for me, I have arch on all my machines except for my thinkpad that runs freebsd mostly and sometimes I swap the hdd with a debian sid.

linux has turned into my "windows".... I use it when it isn't practical to do something with freebsd, haha.

funily enough the linux users critical of freebsd sound identical to the windows users critical of linux.... everyone just takes one step to the left and carries on

edenist: yea same, I even use arch for music production, well except for kontakt libraries, I cant make them work on linux

edenist: tbh setting up freebsd was a labour

I enjoyed it

but it wasnt easy

it isn't, but it kind of forces you to actually learn about how the system works

making things simpler for users doesn't remove complexity, it just covers it up with more complexity. I like that freebsd sticks to unix principles of simplicity

thats the difference between freebsd and archlinux, while most people thing arch is about installing it, it actually is about maintaining it, as for freebsd the installation and setting it up is the hard part

then it should be fine forever

and I dont agree with simplifying things at all, I believe if one has the ability to follow written instructions they will be able to install/use any linux distro or unix release/branch

this is effectively an implicit form of gatekeeping

I haven't figured out v4l on FreeBSD yet.

there's no reason a system or product, or whatever cant be trivial to first use, and progressively expose complexity

minutes to learn, lifetime to master

the two things are not mutually exclusive

there is no explicit reason for any one person to step in this path

except for sheer will

forcing anyone to invent the universe in order to make an apple pie is just not necessary

where is the force?

there are easy options

not prioritizing zero friction first use

Well without a univserse, there is no apple pie.

its a question of degrees, not 0/1

linux has ubuntu , bsd has ghostbsd

one can start with them

ubuntu is a stain upon humanity

Sorry. Linux for humanity.

Or whatever that means.

Linux: it is

the problem is specifically that people use the argument to imply that simplicity improvements shouldnt be made

ifnot, they they should say that

Ubuntu is to linux what hmmm...

Ubuntu is to linux what freebsd is to osx

Linus ok. freebsd is ok. the derivates are ... meh.

your grammar is aweful

sorry eating dinner

woland: please keep your personal opinions of others to yourself thanks

to me there is no linux except fot Arch and often Debian, I hate the rest of them

It's okay man

He wasn't socialized well as a child.

Not his fault.

Linux: you too please

See? I can be a dick too.

Don't do that.

why so touchy people?

we're just chatting here

Linux: clearly

woland: see topic

you are free to take it to PM, its just not appropriate here

Please don't msg me.

"with permission"

koobs: what is not appropriate?

</implied>

Ty.

Anyway

koobs: let's carry on with ontopic

woland: i think that's already been made clear, if you need further clarification, you may PM me

koobs: I have no desire to pm anyone. you ruined a civil conversation

carry one

on*

Guys

For fucks sake, man. Come on already

Talk about BSD

yes we were doing that, where were we?

whatever happend to that midnight bsd

yea it seemed nice for a while

then the hype died ig

I don't want a distribution of bsd or linux to automatically install stuff like desktops or window managers

I always use Xmonad and a terminal and chrome browser and that about it

ehm* ghostbsd

I stick to i3 and the terminal as much as I can

freebsd is good

debian etc. is good

even w3m for most of my searches

they dont' magically install these crazy desktop things

debian feels a lot like bsd to me

well it's not a real OS

Linux: they do if you go with the defaults

BSD is a real OS.

Im slowly but surley starting to hate gnu

it all seems ripped off

I like a number of the GNU extensions. date -d for instance.

except for emacs maybe and that was a set of macros for another editor afaik

Eat a mushroom

Take a hit of LSD

Meditate

Whatever it takes. Just don't bring me hatred. Or else I ignore instantly

Thank you and Elvis has left the building

omg you are so pure

Oh, right, I remember this now.

I completely misread!

I misread 'gnu' as 'you'. Hence the sentiment. Don't bring me hatred.

Carry on!

right

its ok bro no biggy

I mean GNU isn't bad

no not bad, just feels unoriginal, if that matters

I mean.

*shrug*

It's not UNIX.

ever tried Solaris?

Yeah has good tools

I was introduced to dtrace with solaris

back in the early 2000s

huh. I never tried it

tried haiku but not solaris lol

it is open indiana now

hmm

imgur.com/p95rKOf solaris 10 beta 35 is 2004 and that before root boot on zfs

Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

but yeah dtrace is solaris10 days

my tv-card working with video 4 linux gtk on solaris 10 betat35 before the DDI changes

brooktree 848/878 tv card

damn nice

fvwm/rox ftw

xmonad :D

i3 for life

for some reason the default config of i3 on freebsd deosnt even give you 10 workspaces

I mean the file seems chopped in half

Never used that wm. No idea about it

imgur.com/RWy9j4x you cant handle the power

Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

what $17,000.00 get you in 1983

and in 1985 the amiga 1000 w0uld smoke it..

rennj: I just want an Adam3 haha

busybox/toybox rooted binary for my phone?

yes you have

hehe

android12 suckage..least i get 1 upgrade to 13

w00t

samsung,google,crapple treat the phone users better

couple years of updates

Linux: postimg.cc/VrtL07Zw

Title: 2022 09 14 060748 1280x800 scrot — Postimages

Why do people display those little colored squares on bottom?

rennj: while stealing all theyre data that is

I see this a lot lately in youtube terminals

What is that and that is its purpose?

it shows terminal colors?

Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

100day uptime x11,vmware,fvwm

Why?

can you say stable

Do you actually type in terminal color codes? It doesn't display the codes.

So what use is showing me the colors if I don't know their codes or how to use them?

Linux: idk, neofetch does that by default. perhaps shows if your console can handle colors

curses programs might depend on them

\o/

I don't understand this but ok

xterm -ti vt340

it might also be the terminal palette

wget "raw.githubusercontent.com/saitoha/libsixel/master/images/snake.six

"

Does that ascii art happen everytime you open a terminal?

wget "raw.githubusercontent.com/saitoha/libsixel/master/images/snake.six"

With the colorful boxes?

no you have to run neofetch

What is a neofetch?

!google neofetch

cat snake.six

you can put it in shellrc so that it does that

but its slow af

Title: GitHub - dylanaraps/neofetch: 🖼️ A command-line system information tool written in bash 3.2+

This thing

Linux: its a fetch program

sixel support in xterm

Neofetch is a command-line system information tool written in bash 3.2+. Neofetch displays information about your operating system, software and hardware in an aesthetic and visually pleasing way.

it fetches system info and logo

Oh it's for scrip kiddies who want to feel more like hackers on their teminals

I get it.

Zing!

It has that function too

The overall purpose of Neofetch is to be used in screen-shots of your system. <-

but sometimes its useful

Neofetch shows the information other people want to see. <- I didn't want to see it.

I find it obnoxious.

I like simple, to the point, no frills, no skirts, no bullsklakha.

how about no graphics, no mouse

well I thank you sir

console for you

For finally now I know what this colorful box thing is on all the websites and youtube videos.

yea back to the dark ages you go

Hey man

You know.

my ibm token ring network would be considered primitive shit

What can I say.

8" floppies for backups in magazine of 5

10 floppies in 2 magazines

rennj: that is too old even for me lol

So let's look at the information it shows

is linux the new windows ?

hernan: I hope not

OS? I already know what OS I have. I can share uname with people

host? same thing

kernel, also in uname

uptime, get with uptime, if that at all matters

I don't know. It seems like a cool looking like thingy for people and not like an actual useful tool.

hp nonstop has no downtime

Title: NonStop (server computers) - Wikipedia

tandem/hp

And you said it was pretty slow

I wonder if you can just code a custom bash prompt to display the infor you need more neatly

Not have to depend on some slow script thing

it is if anyone wants it too run everytime they launch a term

for example, I parse git info on bash prompt

I only use it to get mem and battery info if I need them without typing too much

and pkg numbers

sure it can all be done with other commands

Title: View paste FRHA

but its in one place like this

sysinfo command depends on figlet? interesting.

I wonder

OS: Linux 5.15.0-47-generic/x86_64-Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS-CPU: 16 x AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-Core (2200.000 MHz)-Processes: 545-Uptime: 1d 2h 43m-Users: 16-Load Average: 1.39-Memory Usage: 54823.87MB/64234.72MB (82.83%)-Disk Usage: 1465.15GB/4635.04GB (31.61%)

Well whatever.

I'm bored now with this system info thing.

mr.big man..you got bragging rights in your neighborhood?

toys

my hp v2600 use to be on top500 super computer list in the 90's

had 128cpu/128GB of ram 22+ years ago

and you know what sun didnt have that kind of system..still they consumed the CRAY starfire interconnect which GOV made SGI/SUN split the original CRAY tech patents.

sgi craylink for all there server render farms

Title: NUMAlink - Wikipedia

Title: Sun Enterprise - Wikipedia

The Enterprise 10000, E10k or Starfire (a development code name also used for marketing purposes) is a high-end multiprocessor data center server capable of being configured with up to 64 UltraSPARC II processors. This was largely designed by Cray Research's Business Systems Division as a successor to the Cray Superserver 6400, itself related to Sun's earlier Sun-4d architecture servers. After Cray was acquired by Silicon Graphics in 1996, this division was

sold on to Sun, who then launched the Starfire as the Ultra Enterprise 10000 in 1997.

either way 1995 freebsd/linux save you $550 sheckles - buy that walnut creek cdrom

sun sell you solaris for pentium for $600 no compilers

freebsd linux on cdrom for $50 was damn steal....

no more bad memories! brought to by crucial micron kingston

no more bad memories! sing it with me

rennj: you're talking to yourself again.

I was replying quietly, in my head.

I worked on e10ks and later e5ks and such

"back in the day"

'dmesg pastebin.com/RxG6vdDy 'dmesg ; 'top imgur.com/a/UbSnJaF 'top

Title: [ 0.000000] Linux version 5.19.6-gnu (rms@mit-oz) (x86_64-linux-gcc (GCC) 12. - Pastebin.com

so, I can see the version of ports on freshports, is there also some web interface of the pkg repository where I can see the versions of binary packages?

hi there, could you please give me some hints how to find file duplication ?

need CLI tool

what do you mean by file duplication?

need to file similar files in different directories recursively

nerozero: you'd have to create a list with find, then cmp(1) each of them.

meena, lol

that is not solution

find one tool: fdupes

maybe some desktop indexing tools already do half the work there because they store checksums

so that might be easier to find

i would rather make table to index and hash each file recursively and then sort by or group-by hash...

but i'm looking for tool which will do that to me

fdupes uses md5

is there a way to apply a ifconfig from rc.conf for a specific interface with the ifnet service, or do i have to duplicate that with ifconfig myself?

ifconfig_<ifname>= ... ?

I wonder if you could employ ZFS checksumming for duplicate searches

Remilia, there is a way to do that by sending and receiving snapshot

but this is a different story

I have to somehow process output and then send report to the users to REMOVE 20 copies of the similar file named differently

also freshports.org/sysutils/czkawka

Title: FreshPorts -- sysutils/czkawka: Multi functional app to find duplicates, empty folders, similar images etc.

written in Rust

nerozero: yeah, that stuff

I have to read the service file

I HATE RUST !!!!!!

and ALL PORTS WRITTEN IN RUST !

I don't think we're dealing with a rational one here.

aye I agree

nerozero: write your own? It's not that hard to accomplish in, say, Tcl.

‘hating’ fast, memory-safe languages is as irrational as it gets

maybe Lua would be better than Tcl for this

Tcl would probably be a bit heavy, sure

Lua is at least fine with utf-8

I didn't know Tcl wasn't?

5 - 7 hour compile time for RUST - ....

Tcl has always had a lot of issues with Unicode in my experience

nerozero: have you tried pkg install?

meena, I have customized poudriere server

I think this person might mean something other than what we are talking about since Rust the programming language is not all caps

Remilia: No, they are just shouting.

o

nerozero: Can you explain what you mean by a 5 to 7 hour compile time? It seems like you have emotions really running high.

also it is not like you *have* to use packages for this kind of tool

LXGHTNXNG: the Rust port requires a while to build if your machine is slow and you do not have 32 GB+ tmpfs

LXGHTNXNG, try to compile it, monitor RAM usage while doing so

exactly

there are no issues with RAM usage if you do not use tmpfs for wrkdirs

I only have 48GB of total core RAM, so that's not going to be practicable.

once again

so that is total BS !

disable tmpfs for wrkdir and it will build just fine without taking more than 2 GB

Are you trying to bootstrap the Rust toolchain for FreeBSD and that's taking multiple hours? That seems like a bug at Rust's level, not here.

nerozero: It seems like you are extremely emotionally elevated right now

LXGHTNXNG: no, Rust *is* heavy

so much pain with RUST

go grab a cuppa or something.

if you build it from ports it does need a while

Remilia: That doesn't make that not a bug.

it is not a bug

and there we rach a philosophical impasse

if you just need rmlint or czkawka you can just use rustup and avoid packages

LXGHTNXNG: is llvm a bug?

it takes 2+hours to build llvm13rom ports

is it? no. neither is windows. has it? probably.

from ports*

does that mean it is a bug in llvm?

philosophically? it depends on the goals of the authors of llvm.

I would wager it does, but their goals and mine aren't aligned

the Rust compiler is generally slow due to its design

nerozero: what kind of computer do you have, and how is your economic station?

but seriously, you can just use rustup to get the stable binary distribution and build the tool locally without resorting to ports/packages/poudriere

yes

the output is a monolithic binary anyway

oh and rmlint is plain C

what i don't understand is: what's so important about y'all's poudriere customisations that you can't install isolated packages from the FreeBSD repo, if you think compiling them is too annoying?

personally I do not find it annoying

and mixing repositories is a pain

I have severely customized my system and I'm not that proud, meena, so I don't get it either. I do install packages into a gaol rather than into the main system, but again, not that proud to avoid using packages altogether.

LXGHTNXNG, i7, 16GB RAM, after pandemic, and recent ongoing war - i wish it will be better some day

rmlint.readthedocs.io/en/latest this looks like something really nice for automation

Title: User manual — rmlint (2.8.0 Maidenly Moose) documentation

nerozero: oh, you're behind the iron curtain?

there is no iron curtain

LXGHTNXNG, no, thankfully not in russia

ah, just otherwise affected (as we all are)

I'm in Georgia,

oh right. right on the imperialist's doorstep. That makes a whole lot more sense.

LXGHTNXNG: how old is your atlas at home?

meena: I don't keep an atlas. Why?

a friend is in Georgia and he upgraded his PC this summer, keeps talking about how cheap it is to get stuff off eBay and US Amazon

LXGHTNXNG, yeh, similar to Ukrain situation

Remilia: Kartvelia?

wot

"Georgia" is ambiguous here.

LXGHTNXNG, exactly

Sakarvelo

საქართველო

LXGHTNXNG: how is it ambiguous?

Remilia: It could refer to the state in the US, or to the sovereign state in the Caucasus, south of and in frozen conflict with Russia.

One of US state or the country

also an i7 with 16 GB RAM should be perfectly suited to build Rust in about 2-3 hours if you allow multiple make jobs and use ccache

we also adding - "former soviet republic" but I hate mentioning "soviet" word also

LXGHTNXNG: I never said anything about it being a US state

added ccache recently and it helped alot

Rust being built in parallel with gcc and llvm took 4.5 hours

on spinning rust as wrkdir in a Hyper-V VM with 16 GB RAM and 8 vCPUs

Remilia: with gcc?

meena: ??

one of these days I need to get some SSDs.

in parallel

i have also bhyve packages to build and bhyve firmware taking ~12-15 hours to build in total with gcc

meena: I use this thing called poudriere and did a bulk run after a FreeBSD patchlevel update?

and poudriere runs 8 jobs at once?

can you elaborate what exactly is it that you are confused about

I remember good old time when I did entire maintenance with ports in 2-3 hours

Remilia: I read it as: I built rust with gcc

meena: I wrote it as I built rust in parallel with building gcc and llvm though

I admit English is my 4th language though

Remilia, same :)

it's only my third, but I'm constantly distracted

anyway, edk2-bhyve-g202202_1 is 43 minutes

and gcc was 6 hours

compared to llvm's 2.5

через пол часа

wrong window

sry

that whitespace is wrong

you write that word without a whitespace or a dash

true

anyway, use sysutils/rmlint

it looks easy to use in automation scenarios since it can give you JSON lisst

lists*

interesting

thanks !

I already posted this but rmlint.readthedocs.io/en/latest

Title: User manual — rmlint (2.8.0 Maidenly Moose) documentation

Thank you !

meena: speaking of your earlier question about using FreeBSD repositories for certain packages, you cannot avoid building Rust in Poudriere

if you have anything modern Python-related

Remilia, yes with poudriere-devel

wat

But sometimes it fetching existing package and sometimes poudriere decide to compile it

oh

oh, i didn't know that's just in poudriere-devel

my guess this has something to do with dependancies

oh wait, py-cryptography 3.4.8 does not seem to require Rust

meena, yes you need poudriere-devel to allow fetching packages that compiled with same options from bsd repositories

clamav starts using rust .... DOUGH ....

you could also use synth instead of poudriere, I guess

I've been using poudriere-devel for… a long time, I think I'm just astonished they haven't made any useful releases

Title: GitHub - jrmarino/synth: Next D/Ports build tool for live systems (Alternative for Portmaster and Portupgrade tools)

admittedly it is designed more for in-place updating

but it does generate a repository

wait, since when does clamav require Rust

Remilia, this summer

Title: Rust - ClamAV Documentation

hmm Wednesday, May 4, 2022

yah, may the forth be with you ... RUST...

Rust is not all capitals

hm

i have bsd running on a small boards ... and this summer RUST happened.... forced to rethink entire system and shift towards poudriere and centralized package building

kind of amazing that you need clamav on all those small boards

that boards that have to do with file sharing staff ...

okay, so, the answer to *my* question, whether i can just use service netif to reconfigure a single interface is: Yesno.

consider distcc

meena: oh I misunderstood your question then

If the interface is configured as static IP: Yes. If it's configured via dhcp, I also need service dhclient <start|stop|restart> <ifX>

meena what are you trying to do

I thought you wanted to clone an interface's configuration to a different interface without adding a line to rc.conf

nerozero: the big picture or the small picture?

so add ifconfig_em0="DHCP"

Remilia: what about my question made you think that??

service netif restart <interface> is how I restart things myself for switching tunnels between v4/v6 when something breaks

service dhclient restart <interface>

never used netif

meena: well, as I was reading "is there a way to apply a ifconfig from rc.conf for a specific interface with the ifnet service, or do i have to duplicate that with ifconfig myself?"

I thought there is no way you do not know you can use netif for the usual purpose

Remilia: you would be surprised about the stuff I don't know…

the dhclient part should be relatively obvious

since it is not called by netif

Remilia: i dunno how obvious it is…

Obviousness is in the mind of the beholder. (See also Sally-Ann test.)

meena: well you probably read through the netif script?

Remilia: that's how i found out

reading through it is how I originally found out I can restart specific interfaces with it

well, that's how i found out you can do it. Trying it out is how i found out you can't do it with dhcp

which is weird, kinda weird, because IPv6 config is accept_rtadv…, but it's done with ifconfig

meena: wait, how is v6 related to dhcp?

rc.conf only supports DHCP for IPv4 anyway?

(without using extra packages, and even then isc-dhcpXX-client does not come with rc scripts)

Remilia: accept_rtadv isn't a static IP, so something needs to happen, and netif does it

oh, netif does nothing

it just sets an interface option

as long as you have it on the ifconfig line, that is

(also I think without ipv6 gateway enabled, accept_rtadv is the default)

meena: yes, take a look at /etc/network.subr

if ipv6_gateway_enabled is not set to yes, it adds accept_rtadv to interface options by default

you use ipv6_cpe_wanif to enable accept_rtadv on your external interface

meena: does that make sense?

Remilia: that's not what the bsdinstaller does tho…

I think bsdinstaller is not designed to set your system up as a v6 router

in any case, for ipv6 route information you do not need anything other than the kernel itself

for addresses too if you use SLAAC

(the autoconf interface flag)

youi *can* run rsold to actively solicit RAs

but most v6 routers will send out RAs every X seconds

and if you have a static prefix delegated to you without relying on DHCP6, you really do not need anything other than static assignments

the default route will come from those RAs

IPv4 does not have anything like that and this is why you have to run a DHCP client :\

Tere tsoome!

Tere!

Hi, I need help to tried a patch

Title: Allow mounting snapshots in .zfs/snapshot as a regular user by allanjude · Pull Request #13758 · openzfs/zfs · GitHub

I post a bug about NFS ZFS hang out ttps://www.box-look.org/p/1890293

URL mistake : it' s : bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=266236

Title: 266236 – ZFS NFS : .zfs/snapshot : Stale file handle

Hi. Is there a way to upgrade all packages except one?

PredatorONormies: lock the one you dont want to upgrade see `man pkg-lock`

I did - says already locked

I did before I asked*

PredatorONormies: So.. does it not do what you want then with the one you want to keep locked?

nomad_fr: I sent you an e-mail; applying just that PR to 13.1-p2 (applies mostly cleanly) results in a panic on boot... but that's not all that surprising; it must rely on some other changes.

Other users verified they experienced the same issues on -current here on #freebsd earlier this week.

eborisch, no idea why it says locked - I never used locked in my life before.. but after trying to upgrade again - it works the way I expected it

either upgrade command locks the program, or there's a bug in which the message appears even if the program isn't locked ("is already locked")

dammit, i know i'm out of date, but when i try to do pkg to install a trivial item, i get a mismatch. is that safe to ignore?

Sadness is upgrading a system from 12 -> 13 and seeing it randomly freeze on boot.

I can boot kernel.old, as it turns out.

mason: any idea why it freezes?

meena: Not as yet. It got through probing and into network set-up. I'm finishing the upgrade/install and if it hasn't frozen up again I'll reboot and see.

mason: this a custom kernel?

meena: GENERIC

It's churning the disk now as opposed to sitting with the CPU pegged, so it's being productive anyway.

I'm trying not to be bitter, but it's surprising how many upgrades have broken in various ways.

that's frustrating mason :/ I *almost* bit the bullet and went from 12->13 this week during upgrades but decided to stick on 12-STABLE instead for now

Yeah, dunno, I finished the freebsd-update run from the older kernel, but it's still hanging in the same place with the new kernel. I can boot kernel.old (12.2 in this case) but that's all she wrote.

And after the completed freebsd-update run, looks like the network throws errors for some reason.

can you boot into 13 with a live install?

edenist: Almost certainly. Haven't tried just yet. I'm not sure what I'd do that I couldn't do from kernel.old. But... good call, let me give it a try.

edenist: Yeah, the live CD comes up okay. I'll poke around from that vantage point a bit.

edenist: And yet, it hangs when I tell it to use dhclient. I bet it's unhappy with the virtual NIC.

Indeed, accessing the NIC from live media, CPU's spinning again and the console is no longer responsive.

I wonder if this is related to the issue I see on Vultr.

maybe check it's using the same NIC driver as 12 was?

Remilia: TMPFS_BLACKLIST="rust" is another option rather that not using TMPFS at all

if this is in a VM, it looks like they also made changes to virtio devices

edenist: So, it was e1000, and when I change the NIC type, FreeBSD no longer finds the NIC, and the boot proceeds, NIClessly. Interesting.

This also means it's not the same issue as on Vultr, because they're starting with virtio, there.

edenist: So, moving to vtnet0 works, and the funny bit now is that the VM won't restart. Gets to syncing disks, finishes that, notes uptime, and... hangs. This is an ADVENTURE. An ADVENTURE.

right, I'm using virtio vtnet NIC on my current VM running 12, this is on linode which is based on KVM, FWIW

the reboot part is interesting. Now that I think about it I have similar issues with reboots too

I just do it rarely enough that I've never worried about it and thought it was a quirk of my raw VM on linode

mason: how the heck is virtio not found? it's so… basic??

meena: virtio is fine - the VM was on e1000, which was fine with FreeBSD 12.2 but evidently not with 13.1

When I moved it to virtio it started working, with the new glitch being this fun reboot hang.

Ooh, a reboot hang that once again pegs the CPU, I might add. Sigh.

mason: oohhh

mason: ooooooohhhhhhhh

i know this one

Oh??

Title: 253175 – virtio_random(4): Hangs after shutdown, reboot, halt commands on Vultr / Hetzner / ARP Networks (Qemu)

sorry, brain slow a bit lately

Oh, that's interesting.

lately == past 3.5-35 years

Ah, yeah, and this is Q35.

put the module in blacklist and you'll be fine

will report back in a moment

meena: who needs a brain anyway? What've they ever done for us.

debdrup: depression and anxiety?

meena: can't recommend either.

Brain and Brain! What is Brain?

Here we go: yewtu.be/watch?v=lgqbW83slXU

Title: Spock's Brain in under 2 minutes - Invidious

edenist and meena: Thank you. Between the two of you, you've saved me a bunch of work and kept me up on the fence where I belong. :)

mason: 💜

happy to share the mental exercise mason ;-) glad it's working now

and likewise, thankyou meena for the link to that bugzilla report! I'm going to give that a go on my install [even though its only 12 I suspect it still applies]

i found my bug report better: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=254513

Title: 254513 – virtio_random: random_harvestq spinning on a CPU with Q35 virtio random device

:P

i thought that bug was already fixed… cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=adb…727b3a2aad3c2faa6e543ee7fa7a6c9a3d5

Title: src - FreeBSD source tree

it says MFC 3 days

that was 6 months ago…

Title: src - FreeBSD source tree

freshports.org/sysutils/waynergy hooray

Title: FreshPorts -- sysutils/waynergy: Mouse and keyboard sharing utility

also i didn't know that there was an alias for wayland stuff, cf. freshports.org/wayland

Title: FreshPorts -- wayland

debdrup: Ah, I was excited until I say the Wayland tie-in. I'd like a less-buggy Synergy/Barrier for use with plain old X.

I rely on barrier across three boxes on a daily basis. so much nicer with just teh one keyboard/mouse and not using vnc/etc.

Yeah. Agreed. The issue I have with it is that it doesn't pass keyboard modifiers, and in fact it doesn't pass some keys. With Debian as the client it does, but with FreeBSD, same config, it doesn't.

s/pass/& some/

For instance, arrow keys don't make it across.

ouch, I dont have that issue

but i'

m not driving freebsd with them... hrmm.

other than zfs, what file system is best for large volumes and long term storage?

say, a 14TB volume

ext2 can't go that high, can it?

CCFL_Man: max ufs is 8zb, but i'm not sure anyone will tell you that's a great idea

i used ufs2 on my freebsd systems

Personally, I would use ZFS. I know you said "other than zfs," but... ZFS.

can zfs be used on a single drive?

Yes.

it'll be part of it's own zpool then?

Yup.

yep; one drive, one pool. not the recommended way usually, but i have some usb drives that are single drive pools

CCFL_Man: XFS, but not on FreeBSD

But ZFS where possible.

Is it cold storage?

rtprio: this is an external usb drive

I'd recommend setting copies=2 on single drives.

^

The nice thing with a copies=x approach is that if you have portions that you don't care about (able to rebuild from elsewhere), you can set those filesystems to copies=1.

care _as much_ about. ;)

It's a per-dataset property, yeah.

debdrup: would that reduce the volume by half?

it would consume N times space for the files you'd store on the dataset's with this option enabled

and usb drives are graves anyways... I'd not give a lot - if it's important data, ensure to backup - copies=N is definetly a good idea *but* if the drive fall's from the table then its all in vain

ahh, makes sense

why is poudriere trying to build pkg?

meena, ports-mgmt/pkg is dependency of every package. As a dependency, it will be builded.

pkg-mgmt/pkg, Shirley?

s/pkg-/ports-/

yes, but, I thought i told poudriere to fetch packages, rather than build them

"poudriere build" will build your packages fetched before. "poudriere ports -u" will fetch latest ports.

pkg special-cases updating itself because otherwise it may reject new features the repo use, IIRC. I smell something like poudriere doing that too but not getting it right when told to fetch packages.

I'm using testport for now, I thought they'd all behave the same.

poudriere-devel has a mode to use upstream pre-built when possible

eborisch: I'm running poudriere-devel, yes. (always)

-b latest

And make sure your ports tree is up-to-date, too.

(in poud.)

okay, nope, something is not working.

maybe that doesn't work with testport?