13:08:26 as an old sunos/pre-solaris and then solaris sys-admin, I keep running smartos partially for nostalgia and "cache-refreshing" what I learned 30 years ago but the killer app for me with smartos is the crossbow network stack + vmadm's managment model where I can have a dedicated admin network, and in my case two external internet facing networks which I can assign to hosts and trust that things will 13:08:28 be somewhat secure. having a very useful remote access to the system consoles is also a must for me (that I can cut-and-paste) (not a screen grabber console like vnc but the actual text so I can watch the kernel panic etc is very very easy with smartos. I have another environment which uses XCP-ng which is also pretty nice but it doesn't ahve the command-line ergronomics that allow me to 13:08:30 control all network, compute, and storage so cleanly and just boot off of a memory stick. there's really nothing else like it out there that I have found. 13:26:00 I just really wanted a hypervisor that was locked down and did one thing properly. I think smartos is that still, just don't have the need at the moment. 14:58:23 Hrmm, so I've had a smartos box up for years running smbd in an LX zone. Today it's running super slow. Turns out I'm out of quota! 14:58:31 apparently I need to set some kind of alert when I run out of quota 15:00:49 I should really set the quota on the data filesystem instead of the whole zone 15:39:06 Hrmm, would it be possible to have two pools, `zones`, and `storage`? I only occasionally use my NAS and I would like my HDDs to spin down to save power. So I was thinking of maybe putting `zones` into a pair of SSDs, and have the `data` filesystems live on the `storage` pool. There should be ~0 traffic on the storage pool 99% of the day. 15:47:06 i remember trying multiple zones years ago, it can be done but I don't know what additional considerations need to be dealt with when say upgrading the global zone 17:35:32 Hrmm, I might give it a shot then 17:36:25 Hrmm, how scary would it be to update the my global zone from 20220908T004516Z to the latest build.... Apparently I'm 2 years out of date :) 17:45:34 ismell I needed to update my mirror because I was still pointed at joyent 17:47:44 there is a new community mirror for zones and kvm images 17:48:14 joyent not supporting smartos anymore? 17:49:26 ismell it's complicated but it's more free now and there isn't a lot of development anymore, consider it feature complete. I'm speaking as a user/community member from the outside 17:50:31 I like things that are done :) 17:52:38 wow there is a `piadm` now 17:52:42 and a web ui? 17:53:48 i would call those new features myself... 17:54:19 `piadm` works by booting off the `zones` pool? i.e., I don't need a USB stick anymore? 17:55:15 jbk I'm not a power user and I didn't read the changelogs my bad 17:55:37 https://www.phind.com/search?cache=rqzxkmui349xh06p2a2k04e2 17:55:54 yes, but if you're using EFI boot, then your zones pool disks will need an EFI boot partition... I think it might work with legacy (BIOS) boot, but not really sure 18:06:10 Cool, maybe I'll switch over when I try splitting my `zones` pool into two 18:06:51 Does having a partition on the disk mess anything up? I remember reading a long time ago that zfs liked to own the full disk so it could control caching or some such. This was ages ago though. 18:12:23 Ah, so mnx acquired triton: https://mnx.io/blog/joyent-partnership/ 18:59:47 * fxhp nods