17:35:46 jperkin: It seems like the apache packages are arriving with the pkgsrc/apache service enabled by default? I think that's a change. 17:39:23 pjustice: not us guvnor, pkgsrc only ever shows the svcadm commands to run to enable services, they are never run automatically 17:40:56 Interesting. I keep getting pkgsrc/apache in maint state because site/apache is running, and it seems to occur during package updates. Will keep digging.