14:03:19 <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 17786 loader: allow slash in variable names -- Toomas Soome <tsoome⊙mc>
14:10:30 <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 17785 loader: console list should use commas -- Toomas Soome <tsoome⊙mc>
14:38:19 <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 17624 vioif: panic on attach failure -- Hans Rosenfeld <rosenfeld⊙gho>
22:59:53 <guest88> hi all, looking to upgrade my homeserver (currently running proxmox with 20+ services, mainly private + some p2p but looking to host more public services in the future) and came across illumos. as I understand it, SmartOS is a hypervisor while OmniOS is more of a server OS. They both have features I would use (bhyve, lxzones, zfs etc) so Im struggling to understand which is better suited for my
22:59:55 <guest88> needs. Is SmartOS better suited for enterprise/cloud? Is Omni more of a competitor to NAS? Do people run OmniOS on SmartOS? Any assistance here would be much appreciated  
23:24:43 <jclulow> guest88: The biggest difference is really whether you want to boot an immutable system from a ramdisk image (SmartOS) or have a traditional install-to-disk mutable root UNIX system (OmniOS)
23:25:41 <jclulow> It can be harder to do some things on SmartOS, if they are things that were not considered in the architecture of the ramdisk image; e.g., useradd(8) will add a user to /etc/passwd, but /etc/passwd is not persistent so if you reboot it's gone, etc.  You would need instead to add a boot-time service that re-adds the users each boot, or change the way it works a bit.
23:25:54 <jclulow> On OmniOS, things work the traditional way.
23:26:49 <jclulow> There isn't really a right answer, it just depends on how you personally want to maintain and operate your computer.
23:46:29 <guest88> @jclulow I like how SmartOS handles updates. Besides booting from a PXE, are there any other main differences I should know about? Which tends to be more popular amongst homelabbers?
23:46:54 <jclulow> SmartOS can also boot from local disk as well, FWIW, it doesn't have to be PXE.
23:47:44 <jclulow> When I worked at Joyent long ago, we booted systems from USB sticks
23:47:55 <jclulow> at least to get to the iPXE loader
23:48:15 <jclulow> and for the main server in a DC (the "head node") we would boot the actual SmartOS ramdisk image off the stick, so that it could boot on its own
23:49:15 <jclulow> I'm not sure about popularity.  Really, the choice is about the administrative model you're looking for, for the most part, I feel.  Which is ultimately a personal choice -- so I would say, pick one and give it a try!
23:50:19 <guest88> USB sounds ideal
23:51:25 <guest88> Think I will try them both and see
23:52:13 <guest88> I also came accross OmniTribblix but couldn't find much information on this. I know Tribblix is a desktop os but Im not sure how this variant relates to OmniOS?