16:13:48 <ptribble> New Tribblix release http://www.tribblix.org/download.html
16:36:45 <vab> ptribble Nice!
18:12:17 <alanc> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2025-02/msg00024.html seems like additional motivation for tsoome's proposed removal of the unused grub code
18:12:47 <alanc> though I don't know how many affect the older version you have
18:15:51 <tsoome> not too many, the suspects may be things like integer overflow 
18:25:04 <alanc> the advantage of removal is you don't need to care which do and don't affect you 8-)
18:28:30 <tsoome> yep.
19:18:04 <richlowe> if I remember the state of grub is that nobody wants to use it and we all want to delete it, but potentially omnios have users
19:18:14 <richlowe> and also nobody wants to untangle the bootadm/etc mess
19:18:22 <richlowe> most especially me
19:18:31 <andyf> That doesn't stop it being removed though. OmniOS has branches so it just ends up being removed in the next LTS release or something.
19:18:48 <richlowe> It was the second line that has stopped me
19:18:51 <andyf> :)
19:25:35 <nomad> I'm pretty sure all of my OmniOS boxes use grub. What should I be using instead?
19:25:57 * nomad has this very vague memory of it being replaced, maybe?
19:26:04 <nomad> Too Many Spinning Plates.
19:26:45 <alanc> the bootloader from FreeBSD that tsoome ported to illumos
19:27:12 <nomad> I could spend a few hours researching or I can be lazy and ask here... is there an easy way to check? :)
19:28:17 <richlowe> loader draws an ascii bird on the right hand side of the screen, and/or an ascii omnios
19:28:27 <richlowe> grub draws a more central white rectangle
19:28:30 <nomad> without having to reboot my production fileservers, that is :)
19:28:35 <richlowe> oh
19:28:59 <nomad> e.g. absence of /etc/grub
19:31:31 <alanc> I don't have an omnios machine handy, but https://omnios.org/info/loader suggests you might be able to tell by looking at /etc/default/be
19:34:02 <nomad> oh... interesting. I don't have an /etc/default/be on the host I just checked. Time to take a look at that URL.
19:34:55 <nomad> well, given everything I have is considerably newer than r151022, I can't imagine it's still using grub.
19:36:22 <nomad> ah, it looks like /etc/default/be shouldn't be there if using loader. Ok, mystery semisolved.
20:42:38 <jclulow> nomad: I think, also, that you'll only have an "/system/boot/environment" file available if you're using loader
20:43:10 <jclulow> You can see the contents with, e.g., tr '\0' '\n' < /system/boot/environment
20:48:34 <nomad> that file does in fact exist.
20:48:42 <nomad> danke
20:49:03 <nomad> The curse of "so many plates I don't remember the ones I dealt with last month, let alone years ago" singlesysadmining.
20:51:44 <tsoome_> :D