09:12:32 <_Posterdati_> hi 09:13:23 <_Posterdati_> please help, I have an asus k55v (intel i5 ivy-bridge) running freebsd 15.0, how can I check cpu fan speed? Thanks! 09:18:48 <_Posterdati_> ? 10:04:15 did you use google? "how to get cpu fan speed from freebsd" ? 10:08:46 _Posterdati_, have you ever on any other OS been able to get the CPU fan speed on that machine? 10:09:03 tsoome, that search query is worse than useless and could cause false hope 10:09:56 `coretemp` will give you CPU core temperature 11:37:55 iirc fan speed requires drivers, so it depends on the device 11:38:05 I believe it works fine on thinkpads, but for other devices YMMV 11:40:53 besides the EC usually handles the fan speeds, some devices allow you to adjust this within the uefi/bios 13:12:52 kevans: sorry to ping you, your talk for the devsummit, what specifically about jails will you be talking about, im curious :) 13:48:17 polarian: TBD, but mostly going through implementation details probably 13:48:34 kevans: interesting, well I would be interested in it, jails are really cool :p 13:48:58 polarian: it was originally a proposal for the conference itself, but it got rejected and a talk for the devsummit audience will look a little difference 13:49:01 different 13:49:19 I spent yesterday installing packet tracer on freebsd, by jailing bhyve and then running ubuntu in the vm, and then running a vnc server, and using packet tracer over vnc with two levels of isolation because I wouldn't trust cisco even if they paid me 13:49:36 ah, i should add a note about jailed bhyve in there 13:49:59 make distribution DESTDIR=/path/to/jail <-- also this!! someone (maybe you) had to point out that distribution is needed instead of installworld for jail 13:50:05 a while ago... 13:50:27 that sounds like the kind of thing i'd point out if someone was wondering why their config files weren't populated 13:50:39 kevans: bcr emailed me asking if I wanted to do my rejected talk at the devsummit, did he do the same to you? ;p 13:50:46 yep :-) 13:50:48 lol 13:50:54 so many good talks going in the bin :c 13:51:10 i agreed on the terms that he's free to bump my talk if they run out of slots and someone else wants one 13:52:02 someone needs to give mischa and friends a nudge for another BSDNL (however you are US) 13:52:16 kevans: did you go to BSDCan? 13:52:27 yeah, this will be my first trip to europe since... 2024? when Euro was in Vienna 13:52:30 yep 13:52:46 I gotta see if I can get a talk in BSDCan next yr, I want to go 13:52:52 hard to find confs when unemployed :p 13:52:55 it's another great experience 13:53:07 s/find/fund/ 13:53:15 well, also consider applying for a travel grant through the Foundation 13:53:20 ah I forgot they have that 13:54:06 For Europe its easy to do it cheaply, as I usually tag on seeing friends with confs, and get cheapo train tickets to go between countries, and then yeah. 13:54:25 cheap airbnb/hostel and then yeah :p 13:54:29 they're in kind of high demand, but it's worth applying if the alternative is not going 13:54:59 yeah, I would love the chance to speak at any BSD conf 13:55:11 I just gotta do something really interesting first :p 13:55:20 my talks tend to be a tad bland 13:55:36 same 13:55:43 like the talk I submitted to EuroBSDCon is just me yapping about messaging protocols and ports :p 13:57:47 obviously thats what I find fun :p 15:38:13 why is everything now smashed with anubis 15:38:27 I want to search bugzilla, nope anubis will max out my cpu for 10 seconds, check a commit? ditto 15:38:41 how is this a solution to bots? 15:48:39 how do i enable pf on a vnet jail? i made it with bastille create -V and it says: 15:48:40 Enabling pfpfctl: DIOCADDRULE: Operation not permitted 15:48:47 and /etc/rc.d/pf: WARNING: Unable to load /etc/pf.conf. 15:50:06 alem: I believe you need to make sure the /etc/devfs.conf unhides /dev/pf 15:50:20 but yeah this is usually down to devfs issues 15:50:26 and devfs is quite frankly, a pain in the arse. 15:50:31 shit 15:50:49 any work around? 15:55:29 alem: I assume by editing your devfs, or does bastille do that!? 15:55:31 idk 15:55:33 I just use jails directly 15:56:23 you mean editing /etc/devfs.conf on the jail or host? i tried adding: "add path pf unhide" on the jail's /etc/devfs.conf but the issue persists 15:57:04 this is so annoying 15:57:22 https://bpa.st/NORA 15:57:28 thats my devfs rules for a vm I use for kotlin dev 15:57:30 jailed bhyve 15:57:36 pf works just fine within the jail 15:57:49 I always found the devfs rules to... not do what I want it to do 15:58:24 honestly that looks so confusing to me lol 15:58:29 never touched devfs before 15:59:15 Anubis is negligible: "In fact, I don???t think we reach a single cent per month in compute costs until several million sites have deployed Anubis. I???m just not convinced this math works??? this is literally nothing for a soulless AI vendor with a monthly cloud services budget in the 8 figures." 15:59:42 I switched from Bastille to jails because bastille wraps around so much stuff it used to get hard to understand what it was doing. 15:59:53 I had also tried cbsd as well 16:01:03 mns: yeah i was thinking about doing that too, but bastille is just so convenient and easy to use i couldn't bother 16:01:05 alem: the host has unhide it, you wouldn't want to allow a jail to give itself access to your firewall and devices 16:01:24 nimaje: makes sense 16:03:01 alem: I just ended up creating a template file and a Makefile. The Makefile just creates a new jail by copying the template file, replacing certain placeholders, and done. My jail needs are simple, hence I can do that. 16:04:01 mns: that sounds really clean. Why a makefile tho? wouldn't a script be easier? 16:05:22 whatever floats your boat usually 16:05:34 bsdmake is technically scripting anyways 16:10:16 everythng is scripting 16:10:16 alem: yes could have done scripting, but make works just as well. 16:10:33 fair 16:10:36 I thought evertything was an object :-) 16:10:56 i have so much to learn still 16:11:15 the more i understand stuff the more i realize i don't know shit 16:11:48 I've been using make since about 1988. I prefer Make over other tools like Ant, Maven, Gradle, etc. 16:12:50 maven gave me nightmares 16:12:55 make is universal enough to run things, but it's not always the ultimate tool in a particular case 16:13:15 agreed gemelen 16:13:37 using in jvm world isn't anything good (touching the other build tools mentioned) 16:13:39 as time passes, the change of you programming exponentially closes in on 1 16:15:52 after setting securelevel to 1 on my vnet jail pf is finally working. Is it a dumb idea to do so? I honestly have no idea what it does, but it works 17:08:02 man 7 securelevel 17:10:08 but no, not a dumb thing to do 17:10:17 I run most of my jails on level 2 17:10:34 https://www.freebsdsoftware.org/blog/vnet-jails-freebsd.html 18:12:37 hi 20:11:57 can someone suggest me a reliable temporary file host (something with expiring downloads) that i can host on my freebsd server? 20:21:53 alem: not per se to files (even if support them) but check privatebin... 20:22:26 drathir_tor: oh i've heard of privatebin, didn't know it supported files 20:24:21 i can't seem to find any option to upload files, are you sure it's a feature? 20:24:48 alem: simple tool but useful yes its allow embedding the files... 20:27:13 alem: at right top of screen left next to the "Format:" of text there should be "Attach a file" ;) 20:27:38 oh yeah, it's exactly what i needed thank you so much! 20:28:16 i actually had to enable that in the config file 20:30:19 alem: np yw ;) 20:33:57 alem: also little tip bc it require js in browser something like pbcli or other clients could e useful from console to access pastes... 20:36:28 drathir_tor: mhh yeah, actually It's great for sending code but for files it can be a little unconvenient, I was looking for something like temp dot sh, which you can interact via curl really easily and fast 20:43:45 alem: i see and yes thats true curl is more common obviousbly, however with pbcli You can as well upload files from cli/console too... 20:45:17 drathir_tor: yeah I know, but i have many devices and having to install pbcli everytime can be a pain. thanks for the tip anyways. i'll be using this as a pastebin, which i also needed 20:47:34 i'm looking at 0x0.st, seems pretty cool. But it's not in ports... 21:11:38 alem: "gokapi" could be worth trying 21:12:47 armin: adding to the list to try, so far I found rustypaste which is in ports and very similar to 0x0 21:15:43 alem: ah neat. :) 21:20:40 alem: "problem" with privatebin suppport curl is that data sended is securely encrypted client side... there are 3rd clients which should be possible to just download from Your server if nodejs/python etc present on server... https://github.com/PrivateBin/PrivateBin/wiki/Third-party-clients also there few examples of curl supported unencrypted paste services 21:20:45 https://github.com/PrivateBin/PrivateBin/issues/385 22:05:14 also from other free online web services for files and pastes i find for fast qurl.sh file.io for files and catbin for unencrypted pastes... 22:22:02 Well what can I say? My "workstation" (some almost 10 years old Ryzen 5 tower PC with 32GB of RAM and an AMD Radeon graphics card) works perfectly fine with FreeBSD and MangoWM. 22:22:39 drathir_tor mhh very interesting, i'll check everything out tomorrow, thanks 22:22:40 I wonder if I have a reasonable chance to get Renoise to work however. 22:24:27 armin very cool. first time im hearing mangowm tho 22:24:59 alem: It's pretty decent, I was able to adapt all the keyboard shortcuts I'm used to from DWM, so the migration path was ultra easy for me. 22:27:05 sounds interesting, i was a die hard sway fan some time ago, now i just use kde for ease of use 22:27:23 alem: Works just fine with 2 large 32" 4k displays attached to it, it's just my living room computer at this point, and FreeBSD works so blatantly well on it that I can't see myself putting something different on it. Now I just need realtime audio and being able to develop custom VST plugins on FreeBSD, that's quite a bit adventurous though. 22:28:40 good luck! 22:29:02 i never tried freebsd on desktop myself 22:29:06 alem: But aside from THAT I can't find anything anymore I would miss. That's honestly the last missing puzzle piece. 22:29:31 Oh it works so blatantly well these days that it's difficult to not recommend to try it. ;-) 22:29:42 im running void linux on basically all my non server devices 22:30:01 maybe i should try it on my laptop yeah 22:30:02 I've been running Void for many years on both servers and desktops. It's nice. 22:30:21 i've heard bad things about wifi drivers tho 22:30:48 Oh it got better a couple of weeks ago, even my crap Thinkpad now has fast wifi5. 22:31:13 And goddamn do I hate that Thinkpad with a passion, probably the WORST laptop I ever bought. 22:31:49 lmao i tought thinkpads were great for foss 22:31:54 was i wrong? 22:31:58 I bought it used, and it turned out it was a french one but with re-painted keycaps! 22:32:31 So the paint is falling apart now and basically now I got a keyboard that is impossible to use if you're not touch-typing. ;-) 22:34:42 Thinkpads are excellent for FOSS; yes, but you absolutely should not get a t490s (that's the one I got, damn that was a mistake). 22:34:42 lovely 22:35:34 the BIOS post time (from switching on the computer to FreeBSD actually showing the beastie logo boot loader) is just way too long for me. :( 22:39:14 The behaviour of FreeBSD is basically fine, it's just that when you load the DRM kernel module for amdgpu the TTY font becomes super tiny, but there are ways to work around that, I just set some bigger custom console font and it's fine. :) 22:40:50 WiFi is a bit "weird", yeah, there are some "hacks" that implement something like you know from Linux, the graphical "connect me to that wifi, now" things, but it's far from being at that stage. If you can live with having to configure your WiFi manually (and your wifi card is supported) it's absolutely no issue, though. 22:43:11 I mean I've been running FreeBSD on desktops 20 years ago already, it was somewhat "working" back then, too. But honestly what we have today is like *SO* much better. 23:02:00 I can just hope that more people jump on the FreeBSD desktop waggon at this point, it's honestly mind-blowing to me how far we are with this now. 23:19:49 alem: go ahead for testing... probaly main change would be lower resource usage and such habit of search linux tools (even if most common things will works here as well)