00:00:46 This is fucking killing me. The *ONE* thing I want to do with the Asrock BMC is open the remove console and I can't do it with *any* of the browsers on my mac 00:10:13 * dnp1 wonders what that has to do with #freebsd 00:10:41 Noting, sorry I vented. I want to upgrade to 15.1 from 15 but it's hard to do if I can't see the console 00:28:55 I'm catching up on upgrades. So far I'm on 13.5. Can I go to 14.4 or is it safer to continue with 14.0 and make my way up to 14.4 with minor upgrades? 00:38:09 wish the freebsd install would display the *VERSION* of freebsd it's installing 02:42:25 fengshaun: I always go by the rule if it was out when your version existed you can upgrade to it. 02:45:02 fengshaun: And the docs allow it. https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.4R/installation/#upgrade-binary 03:03:52 skered, that's a good rule, thanks! 03:04:32 You just want to make sure 13.5 is the latest patch release. 03:04:39 That's the first part of the docs. 03:05:39 Yea, it seems to be 08:50:03 when doing make packages in /usr/src is src.conf respected? ( i disable what I do not need) or it builds whole base into pkgbase? 09:24:47 i meant does it build whole enchilada of packages or selected ones 19:04:04 what's the standard json tool jq or jql? they have really similar names and desriptions 19:14:08 I know of jq but not jql. 19:14:18 What the descript of jql? 19:14:55 jq is the standard. 19:15:16 Jira Query Language says my rough google search. Which would be something very different than jq. 19:28:34 I don't think any standard even mentions jq, much less requires 20:03:29 I would say that `jq` is the de facto standard 20:19:06 Hi 20:19:45 Could I upgrade ubuntu I already installed using debootstrap on /compat? 20:20:17 I need newer glibc version 20:20:23 for linux 20:20:42 or need full reinstall 20:24:27 never mind finally found a fix https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/install-ubuntu-22-04-jammy-in-freebsd-jail.86005/ 20:24:38 if anyone face my same problem 20:58:40 Is there anything an end-user can do about ports that have a maintainer but are not usually quite up-to-date? 20:59:31 spork_css_: Create a bug. https://bugs.freebsd.org 20:59:33 Found my password manager clients were all having issues, then saw the issue was the server side was out of date and while all the linux distros were caught up... 20:59:42 If you can include a patch that would be better. 21:00:54 Yeah, I get it, that's how it normally goes. 21:01:22 Was thinking there must be a way to break the cycle. Maybe someone that uses the software regularly would be a better choice for maintainer? 21:02:03 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=297045 21:07:29 spork_css_: People rely on maintainers to also be knowlegeable about the software itself, and so prevent "bad" updates. It's an unnecessarily complex problem. 21:10:05 there's generally already some lag from Bitwarden doing a new release to Vaultwarden (server-side) getting an update to keep them in-sync, so then when the port sits there for another week, you might be looking at 3-4 weeks of having to either just not use anything but the web vault, building locally (there's generally no "patching"), or rolling back your Bitwarden client (which, depending on platform, can be tough). 21:10:49 This feels like a problem a mentor program could fix. 21:11:37 Like I have stuff I use, I could certainly do this, and probably enjoy it, but the number of times in my 30+ year career where I've had to spend more than 10 minutes with "make" is... countable on my fingers. 21:12:15 do tailscale funnel work on freebsd? I can't seem to get it working and tbh have no idea how to debug this 21:20:10 alem: it's in ports, is funnel a different thing? 21:24:39 rtprio: it's not, it's bundled with the tailscale package 21:32:58 wavefunction: fwiw, I have emailed this maintainer a few times offering to help. 21:33:40 On the upside, my old clunker workstation made it to 14.4 - and X even continues working, and the nvidia driver still seems to support an ancient card: 21:33:42 nvidia0: on vgapci0 21:53:51 woohoo! 22:31:53 dare I attempt 15.x? 22:34:20 it's pretty easy but migrating from earlier versions can be tricky unless you have guidance or know 22:35:33 I've hit a number of systems with it so far, but they are all very boring. This thing runs X, but is ultimately not important, so I might YOLO. 22:36:12 my only "concern" is the nvidia driver. 22:36:14 15.x is totally good to go. 22:36:16 X or no. 22:37:29 ek: I barely used the thing after moving down here, and in its prior life it was basically just "I need something with a web browser in the garage". 22:38:03 but to show how long it's been since I spent time in desktop unix of any sort, I was shocked that this thing had 1000+ pkgs. 22:38:17 and I'm just using xfce! 22:38:46 * spork_css_ just had flashback to FVWM 22:41:03 spork_css_: I totally believe it. A lot of packages go into X. 22:47:02 also was looking at how to remove geli encryption on this thing (much like the OP in this, I put it on just to see how it works w/zfs on root) 22:47:48 and this thread, OMG, this person was EVIL, lol... https://i.imgur.com/U4AamEG.png 22:49:03 (https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/6rxza9/removing_geli_preboot_passphrase/) 22:51:28 I have a second identical drive in this thing, so I'm good, just have to boot onto that one to see what's there and if anything needs to be kept... I think it might have GhostBSD... 22:52:02 Anyhow, time to put the JetKVM on it so I don't have to keep getting up and going to the other side of the house to enter a passphrase (highly recommend those goofy things). 22:52:35 https://bpa.st/II6VA 22:52:48 seems like trying to use pinetry-gnome3 breaks