01:45:02 <geometry> Hmm, `freebsd-update upgrade -r 15.1-RELEASE` failed to recover from lost files in /var.  :-(
01:45:37 <geometry> "freebsd-update: Cannot upgrade from 15.1-RELEASE to itself"
01:45:58 <geometry> Unfortunately it is pretty clear only a portion of the update got done.  :-(
01:46:43 <geometry> Are "Distribution Sets" being deprecated?
01:47:26 <geometry> I see the sense in doing so, but nothing has explicitly stated such.
01:55:55 <kevans> geometry: generally, though i wouldn't be surprised to see a tool pop up to quickly assemble distset lookalikes from a pkgbase repo
02:06:40 <geometry> Would make some sense, but right now I'm getting a feeling of being pushed towards packages which hints at someone hoping for deprecation.
02:12:32 <kevans> right, at some point they don't make as much sense to promote as a first-class citizen because their use is inherently not compatible with pkgbase
02:12:53 <kevans> freeebsd-update will not be a thing in its current form in 16, so you'll just have the one option for updating provided by the project, at least
02:13:42 <codegirl> heyy, there's a broken link on freebsd documentation: https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sysinstall&sektion=8&format=html
02:14:00 <codegirl> linked from here: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/remote-install/
02:16:48 <kevans> ahhhh, worms!!
02:17:43 <kevans> (sysinstall was removed from base 15 years ago)
02:19:53 <dnp1> Was that /stand/sysinstall?
02:20:28 <Macer> really? no more freebsd-update? :(
02:20:48 <Macer> i know fbsd was sort of leaning that way but that's kind of depressing
02:25:20 <kevans> yes, pkgbase makes much more sense for the kind of job that freebsd-update grew into, especially in 2026
02:25:46 <bsdrobert> My nobody take: change is constant, innovation requires change, and FreeBSD do a good job at keeping a system that feels familiar over many decades.
02:26:10 <geometry> Handy if lots of people rebuild only kernel/basic userspace shell utils OR add-on extra complicated software; yet worse if most people do both or neither (also worse for reducing redundancy).
02:27:14 <geometry> Essentially all Linux distributions have been using a single tool for everything since the mid-1990s so FreeBSD seems almost behind here.
02:27:57 <bsdrobert> Linux has no stability though. I mean, the kernel does. But userland is constantly reinventing itself. It's very hard to stay 'current' on Linux.