00:23:59 <polarian> freebsd has a new website o>o
00:28:41 <sig`> new website looks nice
01:26:51 <rwp> I think the new web site is not as obvious where to find things as compared to the previous one.
01:28:41 <rwp> For example right on the front page is this large very visible 2x3 grid of 6 such as documentation and such but none of them are links to get to the documentation.  Those should be links.
01:32:11 <sig`> maybe working quirks out still?
01:34:38 <heston76> The banner at the top, seems to cover that.
01:36:31 <sig`> rwp: what do you mean under Documentation nothing takes you to documentation links?
01:37:29 <sig`> you highlight your mouse over Documentation you get links to 7 different documentation links.
01:39:50 <satanist> problem with mouse over it only works with a mouse
01:41:58 <sig`> well tab works for me
01:43:47 <rwp> The navigation bar on the top does work for me.  It's just tedious to navigate without an actual mouse.  That's annoying.  It is less accessible for me.
01:44:44 <sig`> well use a mouse
01:44:50 <sig`> :)
01:45:00 <satanist> tab doesn't work for me and my browser plugin for better keyboard support also can't open the menues
01:45:00 <MelanieUrsidino> sig`! no!
01:45:03 <MelanieUrsidino> that is NOT the answer
01:45:21 <MelanieUrsidino> "tab works for me" - explain your configuration
01:46:38 <sig`> well if you're focues in the browser you can tab through stuff but that isn't the anser either...
01:46:43 <sig`> I don't use mouseless wm's
01:47:45 <satanist> I can tab throgh stuff but not open the menu for the documentation links, this only open on mouse over
01:49:10 <sig`> they need aria-expanded
01:50:06 <sig`> but aria-expanded doesn't do it alone either. needs some js or css to actually show or hide the dropdowwn
01:50:39 <amencoda> Mice are neat
01:51:23 <amencoda> I actually have two mapped out on my box, because I'm ambidextrous and use on on-screen accessiblity keypad to type... Works the tits
01:51:49 <rtprio> works the tits is not an expression i've heard before
01:51:53 <rtprio> in this context
01:51:57 <sig`> lol
01:52:11 <MelanieUrsidino> what the-...
01:52:55 <rtprio> "it's the tits", yes
01:53:25 <amencoda> I was testing to see if someone picked that up, you got it
01:53:53 <amencoda> anyways, back to my accessibility 2 mouse typing rant...  50wpm, not bad eh?
01:54:29 <MelanieUrsidino> doug engelbart would be terrified, but if it works for you...
02:21:00 <o0x1eef> Very Irish phrase
02:25:22 <MelanieUrsidino> o0x1eef, he's US american, and I'm English
02:29:23 <o0x1eef> We do weird things to english in the islands immediately outside England :)
02:29:44 <MelanieUrsidino> Pardon?
02:30:10 <MelanieUrsidino> I misrèad that as «we do weird things to THE english in the islands immediately outside Englad»
02:30:20 <o0x1eef> lol
05:44:58 <nimaje> hm, that new website also misses the supported releases directly on the front page, also no idea where I would navigate to for a page with that information, but I would argue that I shouldn't need that, it should be on the front page
08:24:49 <mage> hello, out of curiousity: what do you use nowadays to monitor FreeBSD servers/jails/..? I'm still using Icinga2 but I'm wondering about alternatives
09:56:35 <SKull> mage: there are plenty of alternatives. but none of them are trivial to properly setup. so you'd really need a reason to actually pick one of em.
10:18:23 <ketas> did nimaje get it workinf
10:18:25 <ketas> g
11:14:59 <nimaje> ketas: do you mean wireguard via ifconfig_<interface> in rc.conf and /etc/start_if.<interface> ? yes, using daemon to make  wg setconf  non-blocking and not typoing the interface name and everything works fine
11:15:44 <polarian> I urgently need audio working on my laptop again
11:15:48 <polarian> but it just wont work
11:16:13 <o0x1eef> at least youre not deaf
11:19:01 <polarian> like I am clueless on what to do
11:19:07 <polarian> the snd drivers ar eloaded
11:19:12 <polarian> I have pcm devices
11:19:18 <polarian> but none of them work
11:19:23 <polarian> beep(1) does nothing
11:19:42 <polarian> theres no errors, theres no explanation for any of it
11:19:52 <polarian> and I have just left it like this for a year
11:20:15 <ketas> i bet you beep beep beep irl now
11:20:17 <ketas> :)
11:20:19 <o0x1eef> maybe youre deaf after all
11:20:46 <polarian> ketas: my laptop might make a crash sound soon :3
11:20:58 <ketas> lol
11:21:08 <nxjoseph> i regret smashing my laptop, so dont :D
11:21:24 <ketas> did it felt nice
11:21:28 <nxjoseph> later, nah
11:21:30 <o0x1eef> expensive ragequit
11:21:33 <polarian> lol
11:21:35 <ketas> why, even?
11:21:44 <nxjoseph> it did not run a game well
11:21:50 <o0x1eef> looooooool
11:21:53 <ketas> expensive sounds
11:21:54 <nxjoseph> xd
11:22:38 <ketas> polarianq
11:22:41 <ketas> polarian:
11:22:51 <ketas> wrong snd device selected?
11:23:02 <nxjoseph> yeah maybe even muted with mixer?
11:23:08 <ketas> or that
11:23:24 <ketas> mixer 100% & cat urandom
11:23:31 <o0x1eef> alsamixer and press m, oh the memories
11:23:45 <polarian> ketas: nope none of them work ;)
11:23:52 <ketas> eh
11:24:07 <ketas> then it's a bug?
11:24:09 <nxjoseph> :(
11:24:12 <polarian> dunno
11:24:14 <polarian> it used to work
11:24:18 <polarian> then I reinstalled with FDE
11:24:21 <polarian> and it stopped working
11:24:26 <ketas> wait
11:24:26 <polarian> and I never could be arsed to look into it
11:24:28 <ketas> fde
11:24:31 <polarian> yes
11:24:32 <nxjoseph> full disk encryption?
11:24:33 <o0x1eef> why is it a sudden need after a year with no sound
11:24:52 <polarian> to present something on a meeting
11:24:58 <polarian> I dont usually present
11:25:05 <polarian> and for meetings I usually use a linux laptop
11:25:13 <polarian> because my laptop is neutered, no webcam
11:25:27 <o0x1eef> yup, same here
11:25:30 <polarian> but this will be anonymous and I need access to my dev environment
11:25:38 <polarian> so it must be on my freebsd laptop
11:25:38 <ketas> why did you castrate it visually
11:26:02 <polarian> wait I should flip over the laptop and make sure the speakers are plugged in for sure
11:26:05 <polarian> I checked it once ages ago
11:26:06 <o0x1eef> everyone who installs freebsd does this
11:26:07 <polarian> I should check it again
11:26:14 <o0x1eef> its a feature to not have a working webcam
11:26:18 <polarian> ^^^
11:26:20 <polarian> exactly
11:26:28 <polarian> but companies are pissy about not showing your ugly face on meetings
11:26:30 <polarian> idk why
11:26:32 <ketas> they are uvc now tho
11:26:36 <o0x1eef> bad companies
11:26:36 <ketas> ?
11:26:43 <polarian> if I wanted to have a camera pointing at me
11:26:52 <polarian> I would plug one in when needed
11:27:02 <polarian> do I want the camera stairing at me 24/7? nah
11:27:13 <ketas> wait
11:27:14 <o0x1eef> all spies disable their web cam also
11:27:16 <o0x1eef> are you a spy
11:27:23 <ketas> sound worked
11:27:28 <ketas> in fbsd?
11:27:35 <ketas> in that laptop
11:28:13 <ketas> if it did, how come it stopped
11:31:15 <polarian> *sigh*
11:32:41 <o0x1eef> FDE
11:32:47 <o0x1eef> Spy technology broke it
12:20:23 <f451> webcams for meetings just sucks. No value is created
12:20:36 <o0x1eef> I agree. Totally.
12:20:52 <o0x1eef> It's an extrovert optimization
12:21:43 <f451> all of the hassle of remote working with none of the benefits
12:22:15 <hodapp> so, webcams at work did produce one important benefit here: it helped us filter out the employee who turned out to be the "be butt-naked during the morning meeting, and have video on, and not realize his laptop was pointed directly at his crotch" sort
12:22:22 <o0x1eef> Certain companies work certain ways, and you just have to find the right one, or even better, create your own and make the rules
12:22:56 <hodapp> because anyone who manages to step on that many rakes at once probably shouldn't be trusted with other responsibility
12:23:11 <o0x1eef> No I don't agree. It proves nothing.
12:23:12 <f451> i'm also a bit deaf with some sounds, hypersensitive to others. someone mumbling or making the wrong frequencies in the chat and i cant hear them
12:23:30 <hodapp> also, he wasn't *required* to have video on, he just had it on anyway
12:23:46 <f451> an exhibitionist
12:23:56 <hodapp> an unemployed exhibitionist
12:25:01 <f451> but - if he was wfh and got the job done and on time, does it matter whether he was butt naked or not?
12:26:02 <f451> ofc it'd be a tad different if he turned up at the office buut naked
12:26:11 <f451> lol!
12:26:15 <hodapp> yes, if he showed up at the office only a couple people would have seen him naked
12:26:21 <hodapp> instead of the *entire company*
12:26:49 <o0x1eef> just the wrong company, if they were making adult movies he'd be a winner
12:27:09 <hodapp> he wasn't really suited for that either
12:27:12 <hodapp> ...nevermind, said too much
12:27:18 <o0x1eef> >_>
12:27:28 <f451> sounds like something out of risks digest (is that still going)
12:27:36 <hodapp> dunno what that is
12:28:05 <f451> oh - in the 90s it was a mailing list of computer risks
12:28:15 <o0x1eef> hahaha
12:28:52 <o0x1eef> the worst risk of all no one knew about then...... social media.
12:29:12 <f451> might be software, hardware, disasters happening when they interface with society, that kind of hting
12:29:48 <o0x1eef> PEBKAC KEBAB
12:29:51 <f451> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISKS_Digest
12:29:59 <f451> since 1985 !!!
12:30:52 <o0x1eef> That sounds awesome
12:30:57 <o0x1eef> I imagined a crappy magazine
12:31:00 <o0x1eef> Because 90s
12:33:40 <amencoda> There's an old cigar shop in my town that still sells 2600 magazine
12:33:48 <f451> 90s was great. before capitalism ruined it all
12:33:54 <amencoda> It's nice to see they're still printing away
12:34:16 <f451> i was just thinking of alt.2600
12:35:38 <o0x1eef> 2000 was alright too. 2001 was the game changer and set the tone for the rest of the decade.
12:35:50 <hodapp> the '90s didn't really end until 9/11
12:35:59 <hodapp> you all know in your heart that I'm right
12:36:11 <o0x1eef> I agree with that.
12:37:41 <f451> amencoda: a cigar shop is as rare as hen's teeth
12:39:21 <o0x1eef> i guess it depends on the country, in spain theyre not unusual.
12:39:33 <f451> i am having a hard time getting a dvd writer to be seen as a writer through an ubuntu bhyve guest
12:39:51 <amencoda> Cigar shops all over, but this one still sells magazines...  Even has the bulk peanuts and like old fashioned shaving soaps and safety razors
12:40:12 <f451> oh wow. whats the shop?
12:41:19 <amencoda> It's basically a 100 year old relic, the one guy that works there has been at the store 60 years, he started working there at 16 or so...  Then the owner handed it over to him...  So you're still looking at wooden floors, stand up humidors, etc
12:41:39 <f451> sounds awesome
12:42:03 <amencoda> He works every day and despite no smoking laws in the country, he still lights up in the back because you can smell it when he's not at the front counter
12:42:25 <f451> :D
12:42:27 <amencoda> Even has his own Pipe Tobacco blend which is really nice
12:43:04 <amencoda> It's flavoured, Plum, Vanilla and Chocolate I think he said...  Had it, was good
12:43:52 <o0x1eef> A dad's friend got throat cancer from smoking and has 6 months to live, so tobacco is not romantic.
12:44:21 <amencoda> We're all going to die, it's learning how to live for a living - that's the trick
12:44:28 <ketas> this is #smoking, obviously
12:44:35 <o0x1eef> trying to avoid dying in agony
12:44:42 <amencoda> Yeah, sorry, thought I was in the social tab
12:44:48 <ketas> :p
12:44:59 <ketas> who even looks into social channel
12:45:13 <amencoda> Me but all the social chat is in here usually
12:45:26 <ketas> lol yeah
12:45:29 <o0x1eef> There's less freebsd users in social
12:45:49 <ketas> i read freebsd users are less social
12:46:17 <o0x1eef> we're so cool non-freebsd users come just to hang out with us
12:46:58 <ketas> :)
12:56:01 <amencoda> payday, going to be eating good today
12:57:00 <amencoda> Going to need a burger to make it through setting up an old desktop as a server...
12:58:41 <amencoda> already worked on a rough drafter for firewall ruleset
12:59:00 <amencoda> going to turn into into a webserver, basically
12:59:07 <amencoda> Powered by the devil
13:05:31 <ketas> so
13:05:51 <ketas> i'm adding ports again after 20 years
13:29:59 <o0x1eef> adding ports?
13:37:41 <ketas> yes
13:38:27 <ketas> i still maintain 2, tho someone has upgraded them, 1 got deleted
13:39:50 <ketas> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=295546
13:39:55 <ketas> test that :)
13:41:06 <ketas> it's cheap usb uart ic you can flash serials into for id
13:41:17 <ketas> had a local need...
14:06:08 <CrtxReavr> Q:      How many Bell Labs Vice Presidents does it take to change a light bulb?
14:06:08 <CrtxReavr> A:      That's proprietary information.  Answer available from AT&T on payment
14:06:08 <CrtxReavr>         of license fee (binary only).
14:30:32 <ketas> CrtxReavr: lol
14:31:04 <ketas> thank god for public domain lightbulbers
14:36:02 <o0x1eef> Hahahaha
14:36:17 <o0x1eef> Yeah, but at the same time, they know how to make money from software
15:48:35 <anth> CrtxReavr: your joke is out of date. Payment due to Nokia now. :-/
17:17:07 <CrtxReavr> anth, fortune -m "binary only"
17:32:42 <rwp> Hint: fortune freebsd-tips
20:12:33 <sharmeanix> does anyone know if pkg mirrors will be allowed in the future? any news on this? or is there any out there that I'm unaware of?
20:13:22 <sharmeanix> I'm afraid with pkgbase even mirrors of the base system would be halted
20:14:34 <sharmeanix> For context, I need to use mirrors a lot. like, I didn't have access to the internet for the last 87 days (a total blackout in the country) but locally available linux mirrors and even NetBSD/OpenBSD existed
20:14:41 <sharmeanix> just none for FreeBSD
20:25:46 <solstis> dear all, after trying to install a winboze program (via .exe installation wizard) i receive the following message:wine: could not load ntdll.so: Shared object "libprocstat.so.1" not found, required by "ntdll.so"
20:26:30 <solstis> is there by any change a quick and nifty fix for this.. ;-D
20:27:41 <solstis> *by any chance
20:28:31 <sharmeanix> Ah did I miss an answer? I was on an unstable connection
20:31:38 <sharmeanix> Also isn't HTTP_TIMEOUT env supposed to control pkg's fetch timeout? well it doesn't as far as I tried
20:32:07 <rwp> sharmeanix, No answers in between.  But there is no reason you cannot create your own mirror.  The source for all is readily available.
20:33:12 <rwp> If I were going to be stuck in a cave for an extended time I would endeavor to have a full copy of all of the source code to everything such that I could rebuild everything from source.  That way the cave would be completely selfcontained.
20:34:45 <rwp> I would start with the base system.  It's a cohesive bit by itself.  Then move to having a copy of all of the ports that are important.  Some ports will likely be too large to take on casually and are also probably not highly used and could be left out.
21:55:11 <wavefunction> Someone wrote about setting up a pkg mirror https://area536.com/posts/freebsd-pkg-host/
21:56:40 <rwp> sharmeanix is not in the channel at the moment.
22:08:25 <wavefunction> Part of me wants to give sharmeanix an account on my hosted soju :-D
22:11:53 <rtprio> does anyone have a .. 'more fancy' unbound setup? prometheus? dns blackholing/adblock/etc
22:12:34 <rtprio> i'm trying to replace a pihole