05:54:37 polarian: it is possible to enter GELI keys through the serial console, we use it on all our servers like this, nowadays mainly with EFI 05:55:42 you need to redirect video output to the console in your BIOS/EFI firmware and have the loader enabled to work with the serial console 05:56:11 https://wiki.freebsd.org/SerialConsole 05:57:30 If your using classic firmware, use comconsole_speed, boot_multicons, console and boot_serial 05:57:47 If your are using EFI, use boot_multicons and comconsole_speed 05:58:43 The only other thing that comes to mind is that sometimes in some firmware implementations, you might see some (awkward) automatism in modern EFI firmwares: 05:59:04 they do redirect serial console from COM1 to IPMI SOL 05:59:13 (and vice versa) 05:59:49 then you are sitting, waiting for output on cu and should instead just have fired up ipmitool with sol activate 05:59:54 ;) 06:09:44 i'm no longer the only crazy one :) https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=295057 06:21:17 iRobbery: You're an insane person! :) 06:29:51 ek: i dont deny that, but at least i'm not alone anymore B) 06:30:08 2 weeks busy with that, thinking i was messing something up 06:30:18 though in 15.0-RELEASE the result is even weirder 06:58:37 I have Intel X553 SFP+, but can't get anything out of it. is the driver supposed to say something when an SFP module is inserted? 06:59:34 all I see is the driver loading and then nothing, "no carrier" even when module and fibre cable are connected 07:00:21 hey, at least you see your NICs attached to a driver ;) 07:01:38 I was on 13.5 with an aarch64 system, and after upgrading to 15.0 lately, the PCIe NICs on one part of the bus do not seem to get discovered anymore :/ 07:02:28 Now I need to somehow get back to 13, but the boxes are remote, I do have IPMI and serial access, but no networking off the sytem 07:02:49 No idea if 14 would have helped here 07:02:55 no ZFS snapshot to recover? 07:03:05 or "boot environment" 07:03:13 Anyone running aarch64 and ThunderX? 07:03:47 those boxes are similar to the ones aarch64 packages are built on, at least this is something I heard from around the NYC guys 07:04:28 I trust you've filed a bug already? 07:05:12 "Cavium's ThunderX platform is the primary reference target for the FreeBSD/arm64 port" <- says the wiki. you'd expect someone to attend to it pretty quick? 07:05:14 Koston: just did freebsd-upgrade -r -- tbh, don't know why I didn't care about a snapshot this time 07:05:42 freebsd-upgrade creates a boot environment automatically when doing major version upgrades, unless you specifically tell it not to 07:05:47 I did not file a bug yet, I just tried to get in contact with somebody, in here or over in #freebsd-embedded 07:06:07 file a bug, good sir. most productive people tend not to waste time in instant messaging 07:07:24 @"instant messaging": when I started with FreeBSD in around 1998, it was common to find somebody on IRC in the appropriate channels ;) 07:09:54 and even back then, mailing lists were much more useful 07:11:00 especially for the project 07:11:23 I didn't want to blow it up that much and looked for the error on my side, probably with a hint from someone, something that I have overlooked. But I guess I will go for filing a bug -- it is not that I do not have an account there 07:11:27 * spekul does some ports 09:13:16 spekul: I cant do that 09:13:20 its a consumer motherboard 09:13:23 not server motherboard 09:13:44 by "classic" you mean bios booting? 09:13:53 if so maybe I should disable EFI and use pcbios 09:16:02 classic = BIOS 09:16:03 yes 09:17:21 honestly, they all do a BIOS post first, and instead of just jumping onto the first sector of the first disks, you nowaday hook up another micro environment (UEFI) with a bit more capacity (flash, adressable space) and jump into the next OS from ther 09:23:41 I didn't even realise arm does uefi now. jesus wept :/ 09:26:07 well, theser are not just credit card sized machines, but instead full-sized servers 09:26:45 I think the guys over at netflix used them to spill out their HTTP? 09:27:06 had my first real run-in with uefi a while back. reading the official specs was very much a "if I pour bleach in my eyes and also drink some I might be able to forget ever seeing this" 09:27:36 I first tried to circumvent all this UEFI stuff, quite successfully, tbh 09:27:54 but then more and more .efi binaries came around, for e.g. firmware updates 09:28:29 so i made an oopsy, i thought subscription names should be unique on the subscriber, and i added a subscriber with the same subscription name. How do i stop that? On the publisher i see 'ERROR: replication slot "sub_pdd" is active for PID 91171' 09:28:33 where you did not have to have those boot sticks lurking around with oldest MSDOS on them 09:28:51 arg wrong 09:29:05 this is where my mind about UEFI changed a bit, because it makes remote maintenance of machines way easier 09:29:08 ridiculously over-engineered behemoth designed by genuine Windows People congratulating themselves for the innovation of a shell, shoved down everyone's throat with no small effort and at no point anyone bothers mentioning what's the benefit 09:31:03 all the other, windowsish features (secure bootloader) are non-sense.. when you loose physical control of your machine, you have lost. The only thing that might help are encrypted disks and a proper detection when to shut down 09:32:49 then again, UEFI brings something into the x86 world that all the others before already had.. e.g. firmware on sparc64, sgi, or apple kit 09:33:47 yep the uefi shell specification defines what for all intents and purposes is openboot from 90s 09:34:21 except it fails to recognise such a thing ever existed before, so it's rather amusing. I think the dildo who wrote it genuinely thinks he invented something. 09:34:53 full ack @dildo 09:35:01 (made my day) 09:38:12 btw. if you want to read something much more idiocracy heavy, check out ietf ipv8 draft 09:38:52 have you been going through IPv5 with it's "gateway systems" already? 09:41:29 Koston: I'm pretty sure there are lots of ipv8 drafts hosted(!) by ietf, which one do you mean? the one by James Thain? 09:42:07 nimaje: yep. didn't realise there were multiple 09:42:44 spekul: that looks hilarious, I take it's an april fools? 09:51:52 Koston: well, anyone can submit an Internet-Draft, that doesn't meant the IETF has throught about some draft one bit 10:19:23 fyi https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2026/05/google-chromes-silent-4gb-ai-download-problem 10:36:56 A reminder that Windows apparently also killed S3 in UEFI, which is why modern Windows laptops drain a shit-ton of battery in sleep. Learned this recently. 10:37:18 TL;DR CPU is running in modern "sleep". All so that Microsoft can turn the PC on by themselves in order to do Windows Update. 10:37:41 And the other major stupidity (out of many, I guess), is keeping time in local time instead of UTC. Though at least there's a DST flag nowadays, so yay or something? 10:56:58 DarkUranium: windows completely and utterly molested its power management w/ UEFI yes 10:57:11 that was a long time ago, too 12:52:34 just upgraded to FreeBSD 15, my intel I9/32 core now runs much faster with bhyve, system stall for some unknown reason just gone .... thanks ! 12:54:34 does sound work hdmi? im trying to make a 'smart tv' and wondering whether it would be better wayland/xorg. ive had better experiences with multi-monitor with wayland but its been a while since it 12:54:58 <[tj]> it has worked for mme in the past, I have no idea how to make it work now 12:56:32 i wanted to just ssh into it and choose media then it pop up telly 16:03:13 hello, I need a hint, how can I pass-thru usb device ( scanner ) into jail 16:03:23 Does anyone know of a unified solution that can handle FreeBSD jails *and* Docker or Podman in Linux? 16:03:34 (I want to host most things in FreeBSD, but a handful of things only support Linux ...) 16:04:04 DarkUranium, this is my first time using jails 16:04:40 as I know docker using a virtualbox virtualisation ( quite possible that i'm wrong ) 16:04:59 look into bhyve virtualisation 16:05:38 you can literally run any linux/bsd or whatever as VMs ... 16:06:10 Docker definitely doesn't use VirtualBox, they're not even in the same class of virtualizations. 16:06:22 https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/virtualization/#virtualization-host-bhyve 16:06:38 Docker and Jails are both container virtualization (shared kernel, etc). The closest thing Linux has to bhyve would probably be qemu. 16:07:00 https://wiki.freebsd.org/Docker << take a look 16:07:13 "Currently, Docker needs VirtualBox installed and configured. " 16:07:29 That's ... not at all what I'm asking about? For starters, the whole point of what I'm saying about is running Docker *on Linux*. 16:07:54 ah sorry ... misunderstood 16:08:29 never used docker so, sorry I cant help you in this question 16:08:33 I heard some people had good luck with Hashicorp Nomad, but it kinda feels like overkill. 16:10:57 DarkUranium: look into podman and ocijail - may be possible to run some linux images directly via linuxulator as well 16:11:27 kenichi: Yeah, I've been using Podman to attempt exactly that, but had a bad experience with it, TBH. Turns out it *REALLY* wants systemd to run properly. 16:11:48 Otherwise, things can get stuck in a forever-wait :| 16:12:14 it's not the cleanest, but with some hacking, i've made a few things work 16:12:23 Same. But that doesn't mean I'm happy with it. 16:12:32 yeah, the systemd direction is unfortunate 16:13:21 i've been running a few linux images as illumos zones for about a year now, very manual/hack tho 16:13:58 Yeah, I've looked at SmartOS. It seemed nice, but the Linux stuff is mostly a compat layer. Lots of things need the real deal / kernel, sadly :( 16:15:25 true, i think i've been somewhat lucky. LX zones are absolutely a compat layer :D 16:15:52 Yeah, same for running Linux in FreeBSD jails. 16:16:12 What I have is an impromptu Podman Machine, basically a big Alpine VM in bhyve, and *that* runs all the Linux stuff. 16:17:54 nice. i think this ^^ is the oxide/helios approach as well: bhyved linux for containers, zones for infra 16:19:07 bhyve is great 16:20:03 hrmm any idea why hdmi over audio isnt working? im using mpv from a tty, which does seem to work to my suprise 16:20:23 im not sure, does normal audio work? 16:20:30 yes 16:20:31 without mpv 16:20:34 oh 16:20:41 one sc 16:20:42 sec 16:20:53 and ive tried changing hw.snd.default_unit/auto to my hdmi interface but it still plays over laptop speakers 16:21:11 if there's a commit to stable/15, how long before it shows up in releng/15? would it be a -p## release or not until something like 15.1? 16:21:50 maybe press 0 to turn up volume 16:22:18 oh nvm thats a hw thing 16:22:47 im not sure 16:27:51 kenichi: I'm not familiar with Oxide or Helios. 16:31:43 DarkUranium: it's bcantrill's (dtrace, etc) latest company 16:34:53 dont think you can do audio over hdmi on this card 16:34:58 :( 17:00:25 wcarson: depends, note that it is releng/15.0 and at some point there will be releng/15.1 too (if there isn't already), new releng/ branches get branched off of stable/ branches and usually no commits flow from stable/ to releng/ after that, but sometimes changes get classified as errata or security fix and land in releng/ at some point, new features definitly won't make it into an existing 17:00:27 releng/ branch 17:15:42 Oxide is a fun company. All Rust All the Time 17:22:13 As long as they follow the official Rust specification 17:29:59 Not sure I follow what you mean 17:31:51 There isn't one 18:20:08 nimaje: ah ok. both the changes i'm looking at are bug fixes, i had hoped for an ERRATA but i don't think it's going to happen (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D56764, https://reviews.freebsd.org/D54815) 18:20:25 so i will patiently wait for releng/15.1 :) 18:30:00 is it possible to search an unconfigured repo? like say pkg search -r https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64/latest mysql80-server 18:33:44 ^^ returns no output (for any port) 19:55:15 so audio over hdmi used to work 19:55:30 but was removed because it was proprietory or something? 20:37:56 morpho: are you sure you don't need to just turn the volume up? 20:38:16 pcm1: (play) 21:20:10 rtprio: pretty sure 21:34:11 so it's not in `/cat /dev/sndstat` ? 21:34:45 it is 21:40:23 https://lwn.net/Articles/1071719/ 21:40:33 this makes me wish i tried harder with my freebsd migration heh 21:40:48 maybe i'll try again soon 21:43:02 try obsd 22:11:01 Right, I remember why I'm not using 15 anywhere. The installer doesn't give me the option of setting up the network, and hence can't get distribution sets. 22:12:01 Then on retry it sees no disks. 22:13:46 Backing out if I geli detach, the disks become available again. 22:15:13 Yeah, so, I go right from partitioning to "mirror selection" but there's no network setup. 22:25:12 Hm, yeah, dunno. Even setting up the network by hand in advance, with a valid address and working resolv.conf, yields https://i.imgur.com/qnTLHIi.png - I wonder if I need to race it and get resolv.conf inside the filesystem being set up maybe. Seems like the answer should be "no". 22:33:09 Cute. It's overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf with a symlink to a non-existent /tmp/bsdinstall_etc/resolv.conf 22:33:24 I will open a bug I guess. 22:44:25 Hm, seems like it's a problem when running bsdinstall from the shell, as there's some effort to set up the network when going straight into the installer when booting install media.