10:18:53 is there some issue with the 13.5 freebsd-update patch files..? I'm trying to upgrade an old jail from 13.2 to 13.5 and I'm getting: 10:18:56 Fetching 2 metadata files... gunzip: (stdin): unexpected end of file 10:18:58 metadata is corrupt. 10:19:08 this is with two different mirrors (update.freebsd.org and update2.freebsd.org) 10:21:41 ok .. update1. seems to work ..:) 10:22:46 ah non it doesn't.. 10:23:11 https://gist.github.com/silenius/77207f056b37a272eac17a99459dc698 any idea? 14:15:31 mage: if you download the file yourself, does it gunzip? 14:31:56 I don't suppose anybody here uses Amazon SSM agent? wonder if you had to do anything special with configuration to make it work 15:37:11 Anyone know what's up with EFnet? I'm not able to connect to either server I've got listed. (Asking here because I go there for FreeBSD channels.) 15:38:45 mason: efnet.deic.eu is working fine here 15:39:11 ivy: Thanks, will add that in to my list - Choopa and ServerCentral are both failing here. 17:30:34 mage, What confuses me is why <> would give a <<"pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg bootstrap-f" recommended ">> error. I think that is a bug. pkgbase should not be used for 13.5. Right? 17:54:14 pkg bootstrap is still a thing despite no pkgbase 17:58:27 Yes. But only if you call pkg. That should not have been called on 13.5 using freebsd-update. 17:58:41 pkgbase isn't a thing until 15, right? 17:59:20 14 too 17:59:56 I think probably most likely the 15 freebsd-update mage is running is trying to run pkg on 13.5 which is an error. 18:01:27 I am on 14 and have never seen freebsd-update run pkg but maybe it Just Worked here and I never noticed it doing it. But after freebsd-update then one runs pkg upgrade so that pkg bootstrap warning should not have appeared at that time in the process flow. 18:01:57 Also pkgbase is new so there are undoubted going to be bugs found in the implementation of it. 18:08:58 rwp: the problem is that a pkg for an older release could depend on libs that are no longer present due to soname change or something, it doesn't have anything to do with pkgbase 18:11:38 But why is pkg being called at all at that point in time? 18:12:04 Otherwise I completely agree that pkg for an older release could depend upon libs no longer present. But why is it being called at all? 18:14:31 mage, Since it is (only) a jail you might simply need to build a new 13.5-RELEASE jail from scratch. That should be easy enough to do. Then copy over your customization for it. That's one of the reasons I use jails is because I can just do things like that with them. 20:54:58 hiya, im trying to install freebsd offline, but i was surprised i couldn't install it via sets offline, only the new pkg method... i do prefer to have clean separation between base and packages, so i wonder is there a way to install offline via sets, not pkgs? 21:57:16 hmjsp, Check out mason's docs for this: https://wiki.freebsd.org/MasonLoringBliss/ZFSandGELIbyHAND 22:02:36 rwp: im not really sure how that's relevant... i'm talking about using distribution sets vs packages 22:03:13 hmjsp: You should be able to download the sets and unroll them. But the installer should also grab them for you. pkgbase is an option, and not required, for 15. 22:03:14 coming from openbsd i really like appreciate the distinction between base and packages, so idk why distribution sets aren't an option for an offline install 22:03:24 They are an option. 22:03:43 i can't connect to ethernet atm 22:03:48 hmjsp: Sets for 15 right here: https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/15.0-RELEASE/ 22:03:57 ah, so i can copy them onto the usb i guess 22:04:00 Yeah. 22:04:11 alr thanks 22:05:05 hmjsp: Beware. If you're used to how NetBSD/OpenBSD does sets, realize that FreeBSD doesn't do a distinct etc set, so you risk overwriting things if you unroll a new base set over your system. 22:05:58 oh, thanks for the heads up! 22:06:28 plenty of backups should help... zfs snapshots should be helpful here lol 22:09:16 wait... i can't open freebsd ufs on linux... and i doubt it's compatible on openbsd either... so i can't just copy sets over. do i need to have them on a separate drive? if so, how do i point the installer to a directory instead of a net address? because when i tried the installer before it prompted me to configure network and asked for preferred mirrors only, not local paths 22:09:34 hmjsp: vfat maybe? 22:10:06 And you should be able to unroll the sets and configure without the installer. The installer just does some extra set-up for you. 22:10:17 ah ok 22:10:25 shouldn't be too bad then 22:10:33 just unxz them to root? 22:10:40 Well, to your target. 22:10:56 alr snm 22:11:03 I'm betting there are some instructions out there for not missing the extra bits the installer does for you, but I haven't found them yet. 22:11:52 well... it's just setting timezone, networking, etc... and i can't set networking as is, and ntpd should handle timezone... although i wonder how to enable the hardening options 22:12:13 ntpd obeys what it finds 22:12:41 hardening is all sysctl I believe - and if not, someone will jump in because something Wrong was said on the Internet! 22:14:00 tbf atp it's probably just easier to move my display over next to my router and just do the install there, enable ssh, and leave the box 22:14:22 I do that. 22:14:52 hmjsp: Haven't tried this with 15, but: https://wiki.freebsd.org/MasonLoringBliss/InstallEnvironment 22:17:14 mason: this does still require me to have a display initially tho... unless i can somehow add this to bsdinstall 22:17:58 Correct, and I've never tried to automate it so it boots into something with an sshd. Might be easy enough to do with a miniroot and netboot, but it's been decades since I've done this. 22:19:37 fair enough 22:19:53 tomorrow i will just move display over and do a normal network install 22:20:01 although the package install works as is now 22:20:57 ...except waking up from suspend xD 22:21:23 it's a mini itx mobo, cpu fan spins back up but keyb backlight and display don't 22:21:39 oh well, i plan to use this as a nas so won't really use suspend, a bit of a bummer tho 22:25:29 hmjsp: Might be worth opening a bug so that the issue is at least tracked. 22:25:47 I've not ever had much luck with bugs, but it's still worth doing. 22:27:22 yeah, prolly 22:27:46 i do wonder how complex the suspend code is... im not too shabby with C so it might be a fun summer project to fix some bugs 22:43:54 hmjsp: A lot of people would benefit if you did that.