04:06:57 <swee> how do I make GStreamer use PulseAudio/Pipewire instead of directly using OSS
04:09:01 <swee> also Mumble client only having OSS option
08:04:21 <Vect0r_X> hi
09:43:00 <Bushmaster> I like FreeBSD
09:43:15 <Bushmaster> and I think this is helpful channel as well
09:43:22 <Bushmaster> so I am gonna stay here
12:57:15 <wsky> where is the package repository for freebsd 12?
12:59:08 <ivy> wsky: probably deleted, given how long it's been out of support
12:59:18 <wsky> so nowhere online?
13:00:46 <wsky> that sucks donkey balls
13:03:04 <ivy> the binary packages are essentially just a cache of built ports... they're not the primary distribution method like how it is in most Linux systems.  you can always check out an old ports release (there should be a tag for 12 eol) and build them yourself
13:04:49 <cakebsd> wsky: I found an unofficial mirror from China
13:05:05 <cakebsd> mirrors.163.com/freebsd-pkg/
13:06:56 <grahamperrin> wsky, cakebsd: also <https://mirror.sg.gs/freebsd-pkg/FreeBSD:12:amd64/> (based on the FreeBSD 10.1 answer at <https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/1roy2hr/help_with_installing_packages_for_freebsd_101/>).
13:08:38 <CyberCr33p> On a FreeBSD server upgraded to 14.4 with OpenZFS 2.2.9, setting vfs.zfs.arc.max="34359738368" eventually leads to severe system slowdown. Processes begin using 100% CPU, and even basic operations such as removing log files from /var/log/nginx/ become extremely slow. As soon as I raise vfs.zfs.arc.max to 68719476736, CPU usage returns to normal immediately and overall responsiveness is restored. I did not observe this behavior on FreeBSD 14.3 with
13:08:38 <CyberCr33p>  the older OpenZFS release. Is this a known issue, and are there any references, reports, or discussions about it?
13:08:40 <wsky> cakebsd: thank you very much
13:13:23 <grahamperrin> CyberCr33p: there is mythology around ZFS arc.
13:14:40 <wsky> grahamperrin: thank you
13:15:03 <grahamperrin> Also, the page about mythology is outdated. <https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/1s9mg1k/zfs_tuning/> has some recent news.
13:17:50 <CyberCr33p> grahamperrin it worked fine with openzfs 2.2.7, I try to find what changed to 2.2.9
13:18:55 <wsky> there is something weird happening
13:19:03 <wsky> resolver in my jail works
13:19:07 <wsky> i can ping any ip
13:19:17 <wsky> but when when i ping by domain the pings don't go
13:19:20 <wsky> but the resolver works
13:24:57 <wsky> ok i got it solved
13:25:05 <wsky> it was firewall missconfiguration
13:27:28 <wsky> all works thanks
13:27:33 <wsky> <3 :)
13:58:08 <grahamperrin> CyberCr33p: <https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/compare/zfs-2.2.7...zfs-2.2.9> lists the changes commits, but that's probably not what you want.
14:00:51 <grahamperrin> Upgraded to 14.4 from which version?
14:01:38 <grahamperrin> The GitHub view of what's linked from the 14.4 release note: <https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/709465f2c4f1>
15:16:27 <spaciouskarter78> I installed cinnamon on FreeBSD 15 Release in a VM by following these instructions: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/desktop/
15:16:44 <spaciouskarter78> but after restarting the VM it still boots up in command line
15:18:41 <lorimark> spaciouskarter78: did you also follow the 'X Window' or 'Wayland' install as well?  (i am by no means an expert, maybe not even a novice)
15:19:28 <spaciouskarter78> lorimark i only followed this one https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/desktop/#cinnamon-environment
15:20:36 <nimaje> did you install and enable lightdm as written in 8.2.5.3.?
15:22:04 <realdaemon> Hello, I am trying to install FreeBSD on a ThinkPad X220 but the iwn (wifi) firmware won't load and fwget says no firmware
15:22:48 <spaciouskarter78> nimaje yes
15:22:49 <nimaje> ah, and did you follow the Prerequisites in 8.1.?
15:23:18 <spaciouskarter78> oh shit i forgot that
15:23:37 <spaciouskarter78> nimaje im unable to login as root, both root and the user have the same username
15:23:51 <spaciouskarter78> su - says bad SU user to root
15:25:03 <spaciouskarter78> fixed it
15:25:09 <spaciouskarter78> just had to exit and login as root
15:28:53 <karolyi> kevans: ping, when you're around, could you please take care of https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=294168
15:33:43 <nimaje> wait, why would these patches of gnulib files belong to libgnuregex?
15:34:20 <karolyi> your guess is as good as mine.. I just depend on this package from multitail
15:34:53 <realdaemon> the firmware is now mysteriously working sorry
15:35:31 <nimaje> shouldn't they moved to gnulib, just looked at them and they all seem like errors in gnulib (how does gnulib even work for other packages?)
15:36:03 <spaciouskarter78> do i need to follow section 5.5 as well (im using a VM)
15:41:00 <nimaje> the most important part of 5.5. "Do not create configuration for the X.org server in xorg.conf or run Xorg -configure unless automatic configuration fails."
16:11:35 <spaciouskarter78> nimaje i installed xorg by following 5.4 but im still greeted with TUI
16:15:04 <ant-x> spaciouskarter78, startx?
16:19:48 <spaciouskarter78> ant-x holy that worked
16:20:26 <spaciouskarter78> I’m only seeing two windows with xterm and login though not cinnamon that I installed
16:20:50 <lorimark> spaciouskarter78: no cinnamon?
16:21:04 <spaciouskarter78> I installed cinnamon before installing xorg
16:21:25 <lorimark> i mean, you're not 'seeing' cinnamon, just x ?
16:21:31 <spaciouskarter78> Yes
16:21:34 <lorimark> (couple of bland windows)
16:21:49 <lorimark> exit out of it
16:21:50 <spaciouskarter78> Yeah two windows with sh open
16:21:56 <spaciouskarter78> Done
16:22:19 <lorimark> i'm reading...
16:22:38 <spaciouskarter78> Trying to type “cinnamon” into sh says display not set
16:22:53 <lorimark> i haven't been following so i'm a little late
16:23:10 <lorimark> did you see 8.2.5.3 the 'echo' exec command there?
16:23:12 <satanist> you need to configure the window manager in .xinitrc
16:23:16 <lorimark> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/desktop/
16:23:27 <lorimark> this; % echo "exec dbus-launch --exit-with-x11 ck-launch-session cinnamon-session" > ~/.xinitrc
16:23:36 <spaciouskarter78> Gonna try that
16:23:36 <lorimark> did you do that?
16:24:09 <spaciouskarter78> Yeah I forgot that one
16:24:21 <spaciouskarter78> Since it said second method I thought it was optional
16:24:44 <lorimark> yea, it's a bit confusing
16:24:47 <lorimark> do it anyway
16:24:56 <lorimark> and then startx should startit u
16:24:57 <lorimark> up
16:25:57 <satanist> it's optional if you want to use a display-manager (like lightdm) but to see if it work it simpler then setup lightdm
16:26:09 <spaciouskarter78> Restarting….
16:26:27 <satanist> also it helps to have a simple backup in case lightdm has problems
16:26:27 <ant-x> spaciouskarter78, they are not bland widnows, they are the twm window manager :-) All configurable in your .xinitrc and .twmrc .
16:26:43 <lorimark> well, bland compared to something else
16:27:02 <lorimark> not, you know... 'pretty'
16:27:06 <ant-x> Different horses...
16:27:15 <spaciouskarter78> lorimark no luck with that
16:27:25 <spaciouskarter78> Still those blue bland windows
16:27:55 <lorimark> ugh, ok
16:28:15 <spaciouskarter78> Running “cinnamon” however says mutter earning failed to create backend unable to open display display not set
16:28:31 <lorimark> k
16:28:39 <ant-x> You can make them pretty, IMHO: <https://www.cpcnw.co.uk/twm2/Grahams_TWM_page2.html> .
16:28:43 <lorimark> <--- not an expert
16:28:54 <lorimark> spaciouskarter78: have you seen this; https://freebsdfoundation.org/resource/installing-a-desktop-environment-on-freebsd/
16:29:04 <satanist> when you have edit .xinitrc start X (and cinommon) with startx
16:29:48 <lorimark> spaciouskarter78: had enough difficulty with my own setups and ended up using this desktop installer successfully
16:32:06 <spaciouskarter78> lorimark thanks I’m following that one
16:32:15 <lorimark> give that a try
16:32:29 <spaciouskarter78> Does anybody in here use FreeBSD on a newer thinkpad?
16:32:47 <spaciouskarter78> I’m testing it in a VM right now to see how the installation works
16:32:49 <lorimark> (i only installed the os 3 or 4 times before i was happy with my setup - don't lose hope)
16:41:01 <spaciouskarter78> lorimark thanks a lot that worked!
16:41:11 <lts> What's "newer" Thinkpad?
16:41:19 <lorimark> oh my *whew*  - ok good!
16:41:21 <lts> I still think my T480 is new
16:50:17 <spaciouskarter78> I use a E14
16:50:30 <spaciouskarter78> From 2023
16:52:40 <ant-x> spaciouskarter78, I had trouble configuring multimedia keys, brightness controls, sleep/wakiup on lid close/open, &c. It took hand work.
16:53:38 <ant-x> ...also CPU and HDD profiles, some of which do not persist between sleep/wakeup...
16:54:00 <ant-x> ^ it was on an old ThinkPad.
16:55:32 <spaciouskarter78> Ah damn
16:55:56 <spaciouskarter78> I could install FreeBSD alongside Linux and windows using grub right?
17:40:50 <kevans> karolyi: oh, sigh, this fell off my radar
17:40:55 <kevans> i hate this port so much
17:53:41 <wsky> i need some assistance in configuring php-fpm
17:53:42 <wsky> i get AH01079: failed to make connection to backend: httpd-UDS
17:53:42 <wsky> when i try to run a php application on php74, freebsd 12.4
17:54:15 <wsky> the backend is behind nat, the port is being forwarded to a jail
18:03:27 <lts> Updating to a supported version of FreeBSD and PHP would be a good start
18:04:56 <wsky> i need php74
18:06:06 <lts> EOL since 2022
18:13:38 <eekay> wsky: You can run PHP74 on a supported version of FBSD. It's just ill-advised.
18:14:07 <ek> Running an unsupported version of FBSD is extremely ill-advised.
18:19:52 <wsky> it runs on in a jail
18:20:34 <wsky> \so do you know the solution to my problem or not?
18:41:25 <ek> wsky: Well, my first step would be to verify php-fpm is running and listening on whatever port/socket you have configured.
18:42:22 <ek> Then, I would check the configuration for the php-fpm socket permissions or process ownership to verify whatever web server software you're using has access.
18:43:00 <ek> And, I would follow up by verifying that the web server/PHP script/whatever is using the correct information for FPM.
18:43:21 <ek> This isn't a FBSD issue, though. This is a PHP/web server configuration issue.
19:08:16 <Tingo> wsky: Hi, What is the issue ?
19:17:03 <Tingo> back..
19:19:48 <mns> welcome back
19:59:50 <Tingo> Nodoubt that FreeBSD is best in Security/Scalability, but it should add/build new things like Kubernetes/OpenShift, it will be good in future for deploying Apps for DevOps/Cloud/AI Engineers.. :)
20:02:14 <aic> well the core team makes jails,
20:02:29 <aic> I think it's up to a third party to write an orchestration software for jails that doesn't suck
20:03:24 <Tingo> hmm..
20:10:26 <Tingo> like Redhat also built Openshift, so FreeBSD Developers can not build like that with compatible Jails ?
20:10:48 <rtprio> no
20:11:58 <ek> Well, they can but they aren't. If someone else would like to, they're free to do so.
20:12:22 <ek> In fact, some friends and myself might try to tackle this exact thing in the near future.
20:12:51 <rtprio> wsky: you could run your web server and acme client on the host and proxy to the jail
20:30:17 <Tingo> ek: Gr8, Good Luck ..:)
20:38:42 <aic> redhat benefits from many more kernel and gnome engineers not on their own payroll
20:39:34 <aic> that frees them up to pursue some other projects
20:46:26 <Xinayder> whats the easiest way to do mDNS in freebsd? found avahi and openmdns and decided to try the latter, but it's a bit tricky to get it working correctly
20:58:36 <Tingo> i liked bastille package.. interesting..
21:00:38 <Tingo> Xinayder: its not that tricky..  just install avahi-app nss_mdns packages.. and be sure that all of your LAN PCs names should end with .local e.g hostname.local
21:13:45 <Xinayder> Tingo, im trying to publish on a jail and both the jail nor my computer can see the newly advertised service
21:22:14 <Tingo> hmm...  mDNS relies on multicast traffic, which standard "shared-IP" jails cannot receive.
21:30:48 <Tingo> have to work on vnet.. If both the host and the jail run Avahi on the same interface, they will conflict, so run Avahi only in the jail or use separate physical/virtual interfaces.
21:36:17 <Tingo> i have recently found one package bastille, i think it easy to setup avahi from it with in Jail.. i also try it. :)
21:57:00 <Xinayder> there were some quirks in my setup, like my web server wasn't turned on after a reboot... once it turned on the avahi-publish worked