00:16:06 What is the normal device name for an SD card? 00:16:39 maybe mmcsd(4)? 00:19:08 nxjoseph: thanks, that does look like the right thing, but my device isn't showing up. I'll dig. 00:19:23 maybe dmesg could help you identify, youre welcome 00:22:50 Ah! I'd tried dmesg first, but "grep mmc" turned up nothing; "grep -i mmc" does the trick. Oops. 00:23:53 hehe 00:59:15 has anyone had experince upgrading 9.x to 14.x ? 01:00:04 is freebsd ncurses updated regularly from invisible-island? or have the implementations diverged over the years? 01:02:16 current version in pkg repo is ncurses-6.6, so yes it's updated. 01:04:23 checkpoint: I have in the past using "freebsd-update" to from 9.x -> 10.x -> 11.x -> 12.x, etc... 01:05:09 I'd imagine a much faster way would be to just pull the src and do the upgrade manually by building it, though. That's a lot of steps (if those repos are even still available for freebsd-update.) 01:06:09 checkpoint: thanks. appreciated. 01:27:06 ek: I have rootfs on a separate partition on this box. My plan is to get it formatted, then 14.3 installed from USB stick, then remount /usr, /var and /home and get packages upgraded when needed. 01:30:22 my previous experience shows that FreeBSD is very well backwards compatible, i.e. old binaries work fine on contemporary systems. 03:20:57 nimaje: if you're interested in a discussion about what "tabs 1,9,17..." should do - https://github.com/gwsw/less/issues/737#issuecomment-4018069631 (Thomas Dickey chimed in too!) 03:24:53 GoSox I have my tables prior to any options (such as set block-policy return, set loginterface $ext_if, and set skip on lo) 03:26:00 well, it only causes a problem and throws an error if i add the scrub. BUT i could try it anyway just to see 03:28:58 I have scrub in on $ext_if all fragment reassemble right after set skip on lo and right before my first nat rule 03:30:08 so table definition, then the loopback skip rule, then scrub, then everything else? 03:33:10 still getting an error about order even in that order 03:33:24 and the error is always on the scrub line 05:17:05 ˜/47 06:02:44 GoSox, Tables must be before options. Move the tables up to the top. I have "scrub in" instead of "scrub in all" in my rules and don't remember what the ramifications are about it. 06:26:24 i got it all worked out 06:26:40 as expected, the problem wasn’t at all what it appeared to be and thats why i couldn’t track it down lol 06:27:44 there are files in /usr/share/examples/pf which you'll love 06:27:58 that does sound interesting 06:28:39 and pf.conf manpage is also as detailed as it gets 06:29:21 ive read over the manpage a million times, theres definitely a gap between the manpage and where examples will get you, i need to check that out 06:30:17 *firing up my bsd machine* 06:33:01 oh crap my freebsd machine is currently wiped i need to reinstall 06:33:09 are those examples posted online anywhere? 06:36:07 Wait, if your fBSD box is wiped, what the heck are you working on now? 06:36:46 like on IRC right now? A 2018 mac mini 06:38:37 also, i’mmmmmm trying to reinstall bsd on my test mac mini right now but it just got an install error hmm 06:42:57 so when pf firewall is running, is there a process named “pf” that is running or does it have a different name or is there some other way it functions? 06:46:07 So you're using pf under OSX now 06:46:41 well i have a server that is running pf on os x, and i’m trying to set up a freebsd server that does all of the same stuff 06:47:10 GoSox: yes in git 06:47:11 Because the answers to your question will differ. 06:47:26 i was sad to find out launchd isn’t available on freebsd :( 06:47:42 to which question, exactly? 06:47:46 oh the process? 06:47:55 https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/share/examples/pf/ackpri 06:48:00 well in that case i’m curious how it runs on both systems 06:48:12 ketas: thanks! 06:50:55 pfctl configures the kernel for the packet filtering. There is no pf process. You might have started up a pflogd process but that is supplemental. 06:51:30 oh ok 06:53:41 so is `desktop-installer` a freebsd specific thing or is it a general unix thing? 06:54:31 i have a thread going about this on the forum but basically, every time i use it to install sddm and xfce4, i only get xfce4 and i get no sddm, i have to install it manually. but others on freebsd test it out, and it works properly for them, which is odd 06:54:52 ive only tested it on one piece of hardware at this point though, a 2012 mac mini with intel integrated gpu 06:55:18 I have never heard of desktop-installer before and never used it. 07:02:30 What is it you are trying to accomplish with the pf rules you shared? It does not seem to be in a flow that makes sense to me. So it seems like it is something other than the usual firewall. 07:02:55 in what way? 07:03:16 those are webserver rules so the idea is to block everything except web and email traffic 07:03:34 pass in to a table of specific addresses? That's odd. 07:04:13 As a side note it looks like it handles IPv4 only and not IPv6 but that's not atypical. 07:04:18 oh i have scripts on my sites that can add bad users to those tables so if you make a web page angry, it can block you at the firewall level for a given amount of time 07:04:59 Let me post a counter example to a pastebin. 07:09:54 are you referring to the pastebin of my fw rules i shared here a couple hours ago? 07:12:00 GoSox, https://termbin.com/t1a4 07:13:20 Yes, the pastebin you shared a while back. This is a working example from a FreeBSD server. It has both a persistent table for blocking bad-actor bots and also a fail2ban anchor too. 07:14:11 that doesn’t really look all that different from what i have setup, except i’m allowing different services on each of the two IPs, and some vpn stuff 07:15:02 But you have been reporting that yours doesn't load due to errors. Start with a working example and change it until it does what you want. 07:15:26 oh i worked that out 07:15:37 Unfortunately I am just passing by because it is midnight here now and I am over at a friend's place but must be heading home now. Good luck! 07:16:10 there were some unused anchors at the top of the config file i didn’t notice were uncommented and - i don’t know how but they were causing problems and i didn’t need them so i just commented them all out 07:17:12 so for now i think my firewall rule issue is complete and now i’m back to figuring out why desktop-installer doesn’t work consistentyl for me but i’m also only going to mess around with it for a little while longer then i’m going to bed (in theory) 07:18:03 ah crap i don’t suppose any of you guys know how to set the startup disk on a mac, but within freebsd? This mac has two drives and its just a system preference on the mac side, but the mac side doesn’t see the bsd side as a bootable drive so every time i reboot, it goes back into macos 07:33:56 how do you start sddm manually? 07:44:58 GoSox the way i made my linux drive start first was to swap the physical drives to the one the mac starts normally, and the mac drive moved to secondary so now I have to use option while booting to even get macos to appear 07:45:47 both drives show up if i hold the option key, and my real server wont’ be a mac anyway/ but on this test machine, its annoying 07:59:54 also if i wipe macos, it will default to booting bsd but for now, its handy having access to both on this machine 08:22:34 so i changed my display resolution (in xfce4 in a fresh freebsd15 install) and the new resolution is unreadable. But it didn’t auto-change back and now i’m stick with a screen i can’t see. Anyone know how to fix? 11:09:02 this is a long shot, but regarding ‘scrub in’ in pf firewall, is there any way to see any kind of stats on that? like how many malformed packets it is tossing? 12:03:56 Hi. I'm trying to update an opensense system which is based on FreeBSD 14. During running "pkg update" it is reporting that "pkg-static: https://pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64/kmods_quarterly_3/packagesite.tzst: Not Found". I can see a .tzst file exists for quarterly_2 but not for quarterly_3 or 4. Is there something on my system I need to reconfigure to stop it looking for tzst files? 12:12:05 Quinn20: Here's what I see when I take a look at the mirrior site. Your local mirror may not have the data? ```We use MaxMind GeoLite based geo-dns to choose a close mirror for you. IMPORTANT: We do NOT guarantee uptime of any particular mirror. We provide SRV fallbacks for redundancy.``` 12:13:53 I've checked about 12 mirrors listed, all seem to be missing .tzst files. 14:19:54 avih: I really don't care about tabs or its behaviour, I just checked on my freebsd 14.3 machine because it was easy, if you want that freebsd behaves as posix specifies then please open a problem report, well the man page didn't say if I should expect the character after a tabstop at position N or N+1, so a problem report for improving the documentation would be good in any case 14:22:30 nimaje: I'm not going to do that. Regardless, my conclusion is that posix got it wrong. it described incorrectly the behavior of SVR4, which is the same as in unix-v7. the link i posted earlier has the relevant info. 14:22:47 as in v8 * 18:55:47 GoSox: probably /usr/sbin/efibootmgr ? 18:56:04 $ which efibootmgr 18:56:09 /usr/sbin/efibootmgr 18:56:51 GoSox: wayland or x? 22:19:14 Could it be that 14.4-RELEASE is already out? 22:19:46 s2r: it was tagged and builds started on the 6th, it is not officiallty released with release notes etc until the 10th 22:20:01 you are free to upgrade now if you like 22:20:23 yes, I saw that on the release page but I didn't know the binaries were already available. 22:20:29 this is at least in part due to freebsd's constant issues trying to get new releases published on various cloud providers 22:20:52 they constantly reject our submissions for no good reason and we have to go via backchannels to get the release published 22:27:09 ivy: it's a pity to hear that