01:06:36 I promise this isn't just being edgy - what happens if enough people say "uh... no" 01:57:10 wavefunction: i know the california bill is only for systems with "app stores" so i suspect quite a few will get a pass 03:25:51 I have a freshly (as of ~1 hour ago) installed 15.0-RELEASE. It seemed to go fine, but now pkg only sees a tiny subset of packages. Basic things like xorg and sudo are missing. 03:26:24 This might be my first time with pkgbase; is that related? 03:29:18 (This is the system that had the bizarre keyboard input issues under X11 last week; I decided to wipe it and start from scratch.) 04:37:45 anth, xorg and sudo are in ports not base so should be unrelated to pkgbase. Probably they are recent build failure. Check their build status. https://www.freshports.org/security/sudo/ 04:39:11 rwp: but every package I can think to check is missing. Pretty sure it’s a broader issue, like it doesn’t know where to look. 04:42:02 But does using pkg base require some sort of “switch back to normal” to make “pkg install sudo” (or whatever, sudo is just an example) work? 04:43:43 Oka, 04:44:32 After install I have a /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf that enables -base but doesn’t mention anything else. That seems wrong. 04:48:14 Oh wait, that’s just an override. That’s okay. 04:50:00 switch back to normal? 04:50:11 they are all packages 04:50:42 Yeah, I was thinking it might need to switch repos or such. 04:51:07 can have multiple at same time 04:51:19 But I got it now. *another* ‘update -f’ got the expected set back. 04:51:56 back? 04:52:12 was it pkg v2.6.0? 04:52:15 As in they show up in a search now. 04:52:22 fancy bug lately 04:52:42 2.5.1 04:52:44 delete -f removes too much 04:52:45 hmm 04:53:02 yeah skip 2.6.0 04:54:00 might not have affected you but 04:54:02 http://ketas.si.pri.ee/misc/pkg-2.6.0-f-removes-too-much.1772611275.txt 04:54:13 that magically happened 04:54:49 only pkg was supposed to be deleted there 05:29:43 Wtf. Now the kernel crashed while pkg was trying to install perl, and the ufs is currupted such that fsck can’t recover it. 05:30:06 This thing’s a few hours old and already too screwy. I’m wiping it and trying again. 05:34:46 anth: Questionable hardware maybe? Bad connections? 05:39:00 The thing (an Intel nuc) has been sitting on a shelf for a couple years, but was reliable before that. Who knows. 05:39:58 Our network connection is definitely flaky; my suspicion for the earlier pkg weirdness is that some connection gotten dropped at an odd time and pkg didn’t handle it properly. But I can’t prove that. And it certainly doesn’t explain the kernel panic. 05:40:21 It might be worth taking everything apart and re-seating everything. 06:57:45 Well that’s “fun”. Reinstalled, went fine. Reboot, log in, ‘pkg install (several thing)”, zfs panics while pkg is extracting things. 06:58:19 System won’t come up, drops to mountroot> prompt. 06:58:37 Bah. Enough ghost for today, this will have to wait. 14:40:32 specialbomb: \o Let's see what's going to happen. 14:41:00 ugh, ok ok. installing a linux (alpine) vm in bhyve to run dockerd 14:41:04 gave up on podman 14:58:17 horray 16:46:35 anth: That sounds like bad RAM maybe. It's worth doing a memory check. I can imagine a flaky network also being a problem, but the panic sounds like memory. 19:07:52 hrm, anyone know if freebsd's java will support the newer garbage collectors soon? 19:08:10 as i recall last i checked, linux and windoze had the latest GC, but freebsd did not 20:22:21 i see the zgc files in openjdk24 and openjdk25, but java won't let me use them. arg. 20:48:47 https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/sysutils/mise for aarch64 is no longer available (it was a few days ago), the x86_64 version is available. Any idea why? Thansk! 20:50:11 aus, https://portsfallout.com/port/35724/ 20:50:30 version 2026.2.21 fails to build on 143arm64, it may be due to this. 20:51:30 also there is package availability chart on freshports: https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/mise 20:52:04 thanks! 20:52:57 you're welcome 21:01:08 Demosthenex, java collect thyself! 21:05:10 I've been trying to reach cgit maintainers about a crash bug but didn't have luck 21:05:39 and i notice now in your conversation you use cgit too. I would recommend blocking qt=grep feature until they fix it: https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/log/?q=1%27)EXTRACTVALUE(7345,CONCAT(0x7e,(SELECT/**/(ELT(7345=7345,1))),0x7e))+AND+%271%27=%271&qt=grep 21:15:38 CrtxReavr: indeed, java parameters and options are black magic, the darkest of voodoo. right behind windoze GPO's 21:17:31 Demosthenex, I've always hated java from a sysadmin perspective. 21:18:22 Supporting software in an ecosystem that brings its own timekeeping and name lookups, separarate from the OS is insane! 21:19:13 yeah. to be fair though, the jvm is quite good, it's just most java software is quite bad ;] 21:19:34 i'm always impressed at jvm including an optionally network enabled full real time profiling engine 21:20:08 i've often wanted to learn Clojure, but i just can't stomache java :P and the one file per function nonsense, arg. 21:23:05 32 pages of code, 18 subdirs, 42 files and 3 hours of jenkins time later, out pops hello world! 21:33:16 Clojure is quite nice, if it's already established that you're in JVM land 21:37:33 if you use haproxy in front of cgit.freebsd.org maybe something like this: http-request set-query %[query,regsub(qt=grep,qt=grepz,g)] 21:37:59 it will stop cgit process from crashing when AI bots and scrapers hit it qith qt=grep request 22:06:25 where is the kde meta package? 22:06:30 pkg says its not found 22:24:59 bz: Might want to toggle your pkg archive over from quarterly to latest and see if that makes kde pop up for you 22:27:53 I don't see it either, and I use latest 22:30:53 yeah its not in latest either 22:33:41 Time to run 'make' and start the Easter holiday early 22:35:37 or install a different os 22:39:05 plasma6-plasma is also missing 22:52:15 Hrm. plasma6-plasma seems to exist on all my FBSD pkg repos. 22:53:14 pkg search plasma6-plasma-6 ──(Thu,Mar05)─┘ 22:53:16 plasma6-plasma-6.5.5 KDE Plasma 6 Desktop (meta port) 22:53:37 What version of FBSD? 23:57:05 do i want to run icinga daemon and puppet in my jails 23:57:35 cons: that could be a bit of overhead. monitoring from the outside somewhat 'pollutes' the host. 23:57:51 pros: congruent with the other hosts