00:08:48 rtj: What's "qsy" mean? ENOPARSE 00:09:31 ham radio q codes 00:10:07 "change frequency" 00:10:08 Ah, thank you. 02:06:39 What is better these days? Ubuntu base or Linuxulator? 02:09:41 AumShivaya: do you mean Ubuntu or the Rocky Linux packages from port? "Linuxulator" just refers to the Linux binary compatibility, which you always use when running Linux binaries regardless of distribution 02:14:49 ok 02:15:09 I am wondering whether to use Rocky Linux packages or try and get Ubuntu running which I installed under 14.0 02:15:12 probably very out of date 02:16:46 i think that depends on what you're trying to run... Rocky is better tested/supported with Linux emulation, but the selection of packages is limited and compatibility with third-party Linux software might be worse 02:17:21 especially if you're trying to run closed-source software, Ubuntu is often the only supported distribution, so you don't really have a choice 02:24:19 What is Rocky anyway? 02:24:24 I want to try Steam 02:24:54 Don't know what I am expecting 02:27:44 Rocky Linux is a rebuild of RedHat Enterprise Linux, it replaces CentOS which used to do the same thing but was killed by RedHat. if you want Steam, i think there's already a Steam port that handles all this for you? 02:29:09 Thanks, I shall look into it 02:29:36 i've never used it so i'm not sure what the port is called, but i remember it existing... 02:29:59 yeah, I think it's steam-linux-utils or something 02:30:10 linux-steam-utils 02:30:12 rather 02:30:20 It drags in Rocky 02:30:37 Hmm so I guess I can nuke my other linux compats so they don't collide 02:31:59 iirc, Steam includes its own Ubuntu-based compat layer when it runs on other platforms 08:06:33 if I install openJDK do I also need to install the JRE or is openJDK as super set of the JRE such that it include the JRE + the have compiler and tools? 08:23:19 crb: jdk is everything. you don't need the jre then 10:33:19 instructions on how to configure&setup freebsd unclear; did two weeks in county jail -- did not help my networking situation at all 10:43:33 welcome to jid 0. 14:56:16 procfs is deprecated? 14:56:19 why? 17:44:31 Quick question. When reading about PF, there is a disclaimer in the FreeBSD handbook that says: 17:44:37 “When reading the PF FAQ, keep in mind that FreeBSD’s version of PF has diverged substantially from the upstream OpenBSD version over the years. Not all features work the same way on FreeBSD as they do in OpenBSD and vice versa.” 17:45:03 Does this mean that OpenBSD’s documentation won’t be helpful for learning PF on FreeBSD? 17:45:39 Or is FreeBSD’s ported version pretty much the same? 17:52:14 most of the openbsd documentation will be helpful 17:52:25 but both have added features /changes since they diverged 17:55:46 I learned pf on openbsd and everything I learnt carried over to freebsd but im not doing anything that complex with it 18:17:27 Okay, good to know. Thanks guys. I won’t be doing anything crazy either. Appreciate the insights. 18:26:04 crb: the jdk/jre seperation was abandoned years ago, but jdk was always everything 18:29:14 nmz: because libprocstat(3) and kvm(3) are better interfaces to get that information 18:42:04 So you need to compile/use C just to get a curproc? 18:42:20 that's ludicrous 19:03:23 hm, where do you want to access it and don't have some form of cffi? 20:12:30 Can someone on 15.x please test the following? I'm on 14.3 so maybe it was fixed. In a jail, mkdir -p /etc/rc.conf.d; echo 'syslogd_flags="-ssc"' > /etc/rc.conf.d/syslogd; # reboot the jail #; #ps auxww|grep syslogd # should return /usr/sbin/syslogd -ssc #sysrc syslogd_flags # returns syslogd_flags: -s on 14.3 (which is wrong) 23:26:50 nimaje: shellscript?