00:03:36 <thermos> futune: for some reason 'zfs send -R zroot/bastille | zfs recv -u -d zbkp' fails, but if i do a single dataset without the '-R' it works fine. Any idea why?
00:25:31 <thermos> nevermind futune, I'm rolling now, thank you
00:26:15 <s2r> regarding the emby-server issue I fixed it downgrading the jail to version 14.3 and all the packages.
00:51:52 <angryhat> hello apologies if anyone answered my question about configuring the kernel before, I got disconected and don't use a bouncer
00:52:57 <angryhat> could anyone help point me to any good resources?
01:13:22 <dkeav> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig/
02:12:13 <kerneldove> i figured out why i was getting memory errors in pfctl -si. seems that when physical mem runs out and the system starts using swap, pf state table mem requests get denied
02:12:24 <kerneldove> chock that up as another reason to avoid swapping!
02:12:36 <kerneldove> chalk?
02:59:24 <AmyMalik> chalk.
03:00:55 <AmyMalik> chocking is what you do to cars and airplanes to stop them from moving under gravity or wind
03:08:53 <AmyMalik> they sound identical in caught/cot merger dialects
03:10:34 <AmyMalik> chalk has the (long in my dialect) caught vowel and sometimes a restored etymological L, and chock has the cot vowel.
03:45:19 <kerneldove> ty
03:46:01 <kerneldove> anyone seen much of the kernel db tech demo'd at the bsd conf last year?
05:09:59 <rwp> kerneldove, Re: "i was getting memory errors in pfctl -si...pf state table mem requests get denied ...as another reason to avoid swapping". But it would only be worse if you had no swap configured. I must note that being out of virtual memory is not a reason to avoid having swap available.
05:11:42 <kerneldove> ya true
05:12:18 <kerneldove> my takeaway was to use less mem so that swap isn't used, not to skip having swap
05:13:03 <kerneldove> i've tried a few variations, going from no swap to huge swap and now i'm having a small 16GB swap as default and tuning workloads so they don't use swap at all, hence only in worst case scenario would it get used
05:13:08 <kerneldove> like that?
05:17:17 <rwp> I am not sure how to interpret the ? there but the configuration sounds good to me.  I recall your systems having a lot of RAM but even then I think having at least a small amount of swap is a good thing as it allows the kernel to offload blocks that are never accessed making that memory available for actual use.
05:42:18 <kerneldove> ya
10:25:23 <AmyMalik> ... what would I be doing wrong if state_open: can't open `/var/db/blocklistd.db' (Inappropriate file type or format)?
10:28:35 <AmyMalik> .. oh.
10:28:43 <AmyMalik> i need to install a PTF.
10:34:23 <AmyMalik> ... update: illegal instruction ????
10:39:13 <nimaje> hm, why would blacklistd need something additional installed to read its database?
10:42:22 <ivy> what is a "PTF"?
10:47:55 <AmyMalik> inapplicable jargon, ignore it.
10:48:50 <AmyMalik> but there was a version of blocklistd (it's spelled with an o) which couldn't possibly work, and there was a patch in the bugtracker. which i tried applying to /usr/src, which only got me as far as an illegal instruction
11:15:58 <lostpacket> # file /var/db/blacklistd.db
11:15:58 <lostpacket> /var/db/blacklistd.db: Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)
11:17:05 <lostpacket> dump it? blacklistctl dump | sort -k3 -n
11:21:54 <AmyMalik> lostpacket, yeah for me it was just a zero byte file
11:27:16 <lostpacket> I was testing that this week with postfix, shame dovecot doesn't support it
11:28:12 <AmyMalik> you could make it support it
11:29:15 <lostpacket> ended up writing something in rust to handle Dovecot brute force stuff
12:36:31 <nxjoseph> thermos, hi, what's up
12:45:49 <Demosthenex> arg, anyone have a shortcut to send a tone or beep to audio output (not bell, not pc speaker). i want my script which is changing audio devices to play a sound to confirm it ran
12:47:23 <scottpedia> Demosthenex: if you are on mac you can use the say command to use the builtin tts engine
12:49:05 <AmyMalik> scottpedia, this is #freebsd, your comment is not useful.
12:49:19 <nimaje> (but why would the question be here when it is about mac? I assume it is about freebsd)
12:50:00 <AmyMalik> Demosthenex, in the most minimal case you could conceivably cat a short u8 8000hz mono PCM file to /dev/dsp
12:50:14 <AmyMalik> but i don't know if that would Actually Work™.
12:50:17 <ivy> Demosthenex: beep(1)
12:51:52 <Demosthenex> ivy: that's for pc speaker or local bell isn't it?
12:51:58 <Demosthenex> i was thinking sox | play maybe
12:52:06 <Demosthenex> i didn't want to save an external file, just the shell script
12:52:10 <ivy> Demosthenex: no, it's for your audio device
12:52:26 <ivy> DESCRIPTION
12:52:26 <ivy>      The beep utility is used to play a beep on the sound card.
12:53:10 <AmyMalik> local bell is /dev/speaker, apparently going away in 16
12:53:22 <Demosthenex> yeah! i can specify the dsp, that'll work
12:53:42 <Demosthenex> i use virtual_oss to multiplex my audio, local speaker, headphones, and a usb mic port
12:53:53 <Demosthenex> i have devd autoswap on device detection, and it resets the mixer
12:54:01 <Demosthenex> just... lacking a way to indicate that hte script ran
12:59:35 <Demosthenex> ty! works great. now when i change audio devices, i get 3 beeps across 3 seconds. perfect
13:26:26 <dvl> A large number of class C address spaces were blocked from FreshPorts today. If you can’t get to the website, please let me know.
13:29:49 <scottpedia> AmyMalik: okay man
13:31:00 <AmyMalik> 1. how have i not managed to block highlights from you 2. in what country is someone named «Amy» more likely than not to be a man?
13:33:17 <scottpedia> I apologize for my misuse of language AmyMalik
13:33:32 <AmyMalik> you don't even get that right. eat an ignore.
13:34:03 <scottpedia> I apologize even more
13:34:24 <AmyMalik> pax.
13:54:04 <phryk> i just had a freebsd-update -r … upgrade fail because the partition ran full. the partition is just 4.4G and most of that is taken up by /var/db/freebsd-update/files – can i just clear out /var/db/freebsd-update and restart the process?
13:54:53 <phryk> freebsd-update far as i can tell from the man page has no command to clear cache/metadata or whatever this is.
14:02:58 <phryk> alrighty, found https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/is-it-safe-to-clean-var-db-freebsd-update-files.45204/ seems to be safe. i'll just clear it out and nullfs mount a location from a bigger filesystem. :)
14:18:26 <vkarlsen> I have deleted everything in there many times, never had any issues
17:31:18 <raja>  Hello, I installed FreeBSD 15.0, unable to get sound working, can someone please help ?
17:32:55 <rtprio> what have you tried/ how have you diagnosed?
17:33:43 <raja> Hello @rtprio , Thank you for responding.
17:33:48 <AmyMalik> raja, Please describe your computer. Make and model may be enough, but for best effect put the output of `pciconf -lv` into https://paste.debian.net/ or another pastebin of your choice.
17:34:17 <AmyMalik> The content of /dev/sndstat is also of interest to us.
17:34:28 <CrtxReavr> AmyMalik, WTF would you suggest a debian paste site in a FreeBSD channel?
17:35:43 <AmyMalik> CrtxReavr, it's simply the one in my brain's cutbuffer right now.
17:35:59 <AmyMalik> a pastebin is a pastebin, it's sorta fungible.
17:36:48 <raja> here is the pastebin link: https://pastebin.com/UyNdRRAc
17:36:56 <CrtxReavr> bpaste.net is add/tracking free, run a LiberaChat user, who also develops the software it runs on (pinnwand).
17:37:11 <rtprio> then get it in the topic
17:38:03 <raja> I have installed pulseaudio, and via mixer I can see all the sinks and while playing something I can see the default sink mixer animation that its receiving audio, but I cant hear anything
17:41:33 <CrtxReavr> I'm not following a URL with ads and trackware.
17:41:49 <AmyMalik> CrtxReavr, Then kindly leave the discussion.
17:42:12 <AmyMalik> The needed information has been rendered, you can choose to access it, access it in a browser with adblock, or not access it.
17:42:52 <raja> let me move the content to suggested pastebin if it improves the readability.
17:43:08 <AmyMalik> raja, What is the output of the command `mixer`?
17:43:33 <raja> https://bpa.st/6VJA -- previous output
17:44:10 <raja> @AmyMalik, ```test```
17:44:14 <raja> @AmyMalik, 1 sec
17:44:25 <raja> https://bpa.st/S6HQ
17:44:27 <AmyMalik> ats aren't required to highlight peopl, and most IRC clients don't support markdown
17:44:49 <raja> noted. Thank you.
17:45:10 <AmyMalik> this is gonna sound a bit facile, but: are your speakers plugged in?
17:45:57 <raja> Yes, it was working earlier. I had to reinstall as I messed up my setup on dualboot. The speakers were working earlier.
17:46:19 <AmyMalik> are you doing anything special with your audio setup in your PC case?
17:46:30 <raja> I forgot to take notes on how I resolved that issue earlier and now blocked.
17:46:59 <raja> No. just installed pulseaudio, made sure its started.
17:47:35 <CrtxReavr> irssi supports *BOLD* - though a single set of *s in markdown is actually for itallics.
17:48:31 <AmyMalik> Do you need pulseaudio?
17:48:44 <AmyMalik> Does some application you use not work without it, even on FreeBSD?
17:49:24 <raja> No not like that, by default it didnt worked, so I googled and installed pulseaudio.
17:49:39 <raja> shall I remove pulseaudio and give a try with plane vanilla mode ?
17:50:09 <AmyMalik> yes
17:50:38 <raja> Ok.
17:50:54 <AmyMalik> or more correctly you should shut down pulseaudio
17:51:04 <AmyMalik> it doesn't need to be uninstalled
17:51:42 <AmyMalik> if the audio subsystem is working `beep -F 900 -D 250 -g 90` should play an unpleasantly loud, high pitched beep. the `beep` command only works directly with OSS.
17:52:35 <AmyMalik> is it possible you were setting some obscure sysctls under `dev.hdaa` in the previous installation?
17:53:04 <AmyMalik> I had to do that to make my audio work, although I have a somewhat special setup. I didn't have to do any of that on my laptop.
17:53:26 <mzar> pulseaudio, portaudio, alsa, pipewire - all of them can coexist in FreeBSD system, but you guys probably need virtua_oss
17:53:38 <mzar> virual_oss*
17:54:52 <rwp> Demosthenex, I know you have the problem solved now but I would have suggested the "beep" command as it is in FreeBSD base.
17:56:13 <mzar> IHMO the best duo for FreeBSD desktop is virtual_oss + pulseaudio
17:56:24 <AmyMalik> that's all well and good
17:56:41 <AmyMalik> but right now it's not a matter of having the slickest setup, but a matter of getting things working at all in the first place
17:56:42 <rwp> We used to have a dedicated FreeBSD pastebin mentioned in the /topic but it suffered bitrot and isn't available anymore.  Which leaves us scrambling for any pastebin that will work in a storm.
17:57:15 <mzar> :O
17:59:13 <AmyMalik> Hence the debian pastebin reco.
18:01:15 <rwp> Agreed.  It's one of the better ad-free freedom supporting ones.  Because pastebin.com is covered in advertisements (which one might not see if using ublock origin).  So most of us avoid pastebin.com and use other pastebins.
18:02:18 <CrtxReavr> IT used to be the simplest way to test audio functionality in FreeBSD was to grab a .au file and cat it to. . . I think it was /dev/dsp
18:02:51 <AmyMalik> Yes, dev/dsp. It's OSS.
18:03:41 <CrtxReavr> I don't see a /dev/dsp though. .
18:04:11 <CrtxReavr> I see hdac0@pci0:0:27:0 which should identify the bound driver.
18:04:50 <CrtxReavr> hdac0: <Intel Cougar Point HDA Controller> mem 0xf7920000-0xf7923fff irq 22 at device 27.0 on pci0
18:14:51 <AmyMalik> I have a /dev/dsp on my desktop, which is currently playing musicpd via pulseaudio, which is talking to JACK, which is ultimately talking to /dev/dsp5.
18:15:01 <AmyMalik> It's... convoluted. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
18:15:21 <CrtxReavr> Why don't I have a /dev/dsp though?
18:16:44 <AmyMalik> Does `ls /dev/dsp` say anything?
18:18:26 <CrtxReavr> Okay that's weird. . .
18:19:42 <CrtxReavr> There's no /dev/dsp, but if I type 'ls /dev/dsp' it lists /dev/dsp0.2
18:20:06 <CrtxReavr> They're clearly changed how the kernel addresses /dev/ for certain devices.
18:21:03 <AmyMalik> i.. whut?
18:22:54 <rtprio> `ls /dev/dsp*`
18:23:17 <CrtxReavr> Anyways the old 'fetch http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/english.au && cat hello.au > /dev/dsp' test still works.
18:24:03 <AmyMalik> I should issue my own set of test sounds, maybe.
18:24:11 <rtprio> CrtxReavr: typo there
18:24:21 <Demosthenex> what about /dev/sndstat?
18:24:35 <AmyMalik> Demosthenex, We already tried that; it established that the audio hardware is detected
18:25:30 <CrtxReavr> rtprio, typo where?
18:25:34 <rtprio> i have a hardware mute which is completely transparent to freebsd (on my x1 carbon)
18:25:44 <AmyMalik> CrtxReavr, english.au != hello.au
18:25:45 <rtprio> CrtxReavr: you fetch english but then pipe hello
18:26:23 <AmyMalik> radhitya, if you have a hardware mute button or an Fn-combination that mutes, try pressing that
18:26:33 <CrtxReavr> Oh - yes. . . I'm remembering the original hello.au file that was at the root of ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/
18:27:09 <CrtxReavr> It was just an easy to grab .au file - not so easy anymore.
18:29:46 <mzar> virtual_oss_enable="YES"
18:29:46 <mzar> virtual_oss_dsp="-S -i 8 -C 12 -c 6 -r 48000 -b 32 -s 512 -O /dev/dsp2 -R /dev/dsp4 -c 2 -d dsp -c 12 -d vdsp -t vdsp.ctl"
18:31:43 <mzar> there was excellent wiki page by late H.P. Selasky - but it's gone
18:32:27 <mzar> virtual_oss is part of FreeBSD 15 and later, for earlier version there is a port
18:37:10 <AmyMalik> 151kb https://umbrellix.net/~ellenor/guitar.au
18:37:15 <mzar> there is also hw.snd.default_unit sysctl knob, but let me recommend this virtual_oss, it nice piece of software, the project was started by hselasky@ , now christos@ is working on this
18:37:45 <AmyMalik> default_unit is already set correctly for raja, who since left
18:38:09 <CrtxReavr> He ragequit and is installing kubuntu.
18:38:17 <AmyMalik> oops
18:38:18 <mzar> hhe..
18:39:26 <AmyMalik> well that was bad... i sent guitar.au to /dev/dsp and it just squealed
18:39:50 <CrtxReavr> Maybe that's what it's supposed to sound like?
18:40:19 <CrtxReavr> Did you try http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/english.au ?
18:40:20 <AmyMalik> it is not. it's supposed to be a reasonably anodyne guitar riff (three notes)
18:40:25 <AmyMalik> let me try..
18:40:40 <AmyMalik> CrtxReavr, yeah that just produces static
18:42:50 <CrtxReavr> english.au: Sun/NeXT audio data: 8-bit ISDN mu-law, mono, 8000 Hz
18:43:35 <AmyMalik> ... i probably need to invent a player or something
18:43:48 <CrtxReavr> It works here.
18:43:52 <mzar> I remember that I was looking for a solution that would allow me to use one device for recording and a different one for playback. This was during the COVID period and I posted such a question on the mailing list. Hans responded recommending virtual_oss. It’s indispensable when you have multiple input devices and multiple output devices
19:29:18 <phryk> freebsd-update install took forever… like half an hour per call. and i had to update 3 base systems. :F
19:29:37 <wavefunction> phryk: Are they on 15 now?
19:29:46 <phryk> 14.3
19:30:00 <wavefunction> ah. If you go 15, you can do pkg based installs :-D
19:30:16 <phryk> pkgbase is becoming the default?
19:30:25 <DaliborFox> but only after you're on 15; upgrading from 14.3 to 15 with pkgbase is currently broken
19:30:39 <wavefunction> No, but it's available, and fast, once you're on 15 - what DaliborFox said
19:31:32 <phryk> aye, i'll keep that in mind for the next upgrade.
19:32:14 * wavefunction is currently running 15 with pkgbase.
19:32:32 <wavefunction> Hopefully everything stays working! <crossed fingers>
19:33:25 <phryk> best of luck with that^^
19:34:00 <DaliborFox> One thing that required manual migration for me was kerberos, 15 switched from Heimdal to MIT, so that's something to be aware of.  There thankfully are instructions for the migration, but you might end up needing to pull up a 14.3-CURRENT chroot for it
19:34:48 <DaliborFox> or was it -STABLE?
19:34:57 <phryk> I don't think I use kerberos.^^
19:36:55 <DaliborFox> One less thing to worry about then!  I use it for encrypted NFS, as I use my FreeBSD system as a NAS
19:37:31 <rtprio> anyone with config management? do you manage your /etc/pkg/freebsd.conf or /usr/local/etc/pkg ?
20:13:44 <mzar> rtprio: /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/*.conf
21:32:54 <rtprio> yes, do you manage them?
21:35:20 <rtprio> mzar: for reference, config management is one of: puppet, chef, ansible, salt, etc
21:40:14 <format_c> Hi, I've installed FreeBSD with lib32 selected. Now I face issues with compiling/linking software.
21:40:17 <format_c> ld: error: /usr/lib32/libform.so is incompatible with /usr/lib/crti.o
21:40:43 <format_c> I strongly assume this is because of the 32/64 bit clash.
21:41:12 <format_c> Is there a way to get rid of the 32-bit libs w/o completely reinstalling FreeBSD?
21:43:07 <rtprio> are you linking existing 32bit libraries?
21:43:55 <format_c> its a software I compile using clang
21:45:35 <format_c> The software uses ncurses and the pre-installed libraries are 32-bit and cannot be linked against the software which has been compiled in 64-bit mode
21:47:15 <format_c> ld: error: /usr/lib32/libform.so is incompatible with /usr/lib/crti.o
21:47:19 <rtprio> you should have a 64bit one in /usr/lib/libform.so
21:47:32 <format_c> % find /usr/lib /usr/local/lib /usr/lib32 -name libform.so
21:47:40 <format_c> you're right.
21:48:12 <rtprio> do you have a bogus `-L /usr/lib32` in your makefile or some such
21:48:19 <format_c> OK I've to try to recognize the library in /usr/lib during configuration.
21:48:21 <format_c> Thanks for the hint.
21:48:45 <format_c> Seem to be a detection issue when configuring using cmake.
21:49:58 <hodapp> wooo successfully running a Docker container on Podman on FreeBSD \o/
21:52:49 <format_c> rtprio, but back to my initial question. Is it possible to remove the 32-bit libraries properly w/o re-installing?
21:53:49 <rtprio> if you used pkgbase, you can just remove those packges
21:54:07 <rtprio> otherwise, i don't see why you couldn't just rm -rf your lib32 directory
22:06:21 <format_c> Thanks rtprio
22:14:37 <ant-x> format_c, is this about FreeBSD 15?
22:39:46 <format_c> ant-x, I've upgraded to 14.3 for now. Not yet 15.0
22:42:31 <ant-x> format_c, so have I. 15.0 has no 32-bit, (unfortuntaly for me), so I asked in the hope you somehow got 32-bit libs on v. 15.
22:44:06 <format_c> I've noticed the drop of i386 architecture on 15.0 as I'm right now installing and building custom kernel on a Intel Atom equipped Netbook