01:02:24 <hodapp> rtprio: wait, podman runs on FreeBSD?
01:02:27 <hodapp> how did I miss this?
01:03:35 <scottpedia> most likely but docker seems to have had the most applications hodapp
01:03:48 <scottpedia> dunno why somebody should use podman
01:07:04 <hodapp> I thought things like rootless were a lot easier with podman
01:07:43 <ivy> Docker is just an implementation of OCI these days, the same as podman.  and the main reason to use podman is... podman runs on freebsd.  docker, at least last time i looked, does not
01:08:30 <scottpedia> docker doesn't run on freebsd?
01:08:43 <scottpedia> not even in the Linux compatible mode?
01:08:51 <scottpedia> that's weird
01:09:53 <scottpedia> I think another reason might be that podman is a more foss-compliant product
01:10:24 <ivy> Docker requires Linux kernel features like cgroups and namespaces that aren't supported by Linux emulation
01:10:25 <hodapp> Docker is very tied to Linux-isms, last I checked
01:10:33 <hodapp> yeah that
01:10:47 <scottpedia> okay i see that's news to me today
01:11:06 <ivy> i assume you could use podman to run a Linux OCI image in FreeBSD, but i've never tried that
01:11:40 <scottpedia> why use docker/podman when you can use jails
01:11:54 <hodapp> because all you have is a Docker image
01:12:16 <hodapp> ivy: I know you can do it with containerd & runj
01:12:24 <scottpedia> okay that'd bring up a need
01:12:50 <ivy> scottpedia: podman uses jails.  the reason to use any sort of container is because it suits your development workflow to deploy applications as containers rather than some other way
01:13:56 <hodapp> last time I tried anything like this it was via https://productionwithscissors.run/2022/09/04/containerd-linux-on-freebsd/
01:14:02 <scottpedia> okay but I understand container as just one step more simplified than what you can do manually ivy
01:14:03 <rtprio> hodapp: yar
01:14:49 <rtprio> hodapp: it gets annoying passing in 'linux/amd64' all the time but you can use real images from the dockerhub
01:14:59 <hodapp> rtprio: with podman?
01:15:30 <rtprio> yep
01:15:56 <hodapp> I'll have to try this soon
01:16:40 <rtprio> it's the kind of stuff i try to keep off of my freebsd servers, but i have a workstation again so i will probably spin it up soon
01:21:23 <hodapp> https://linkedlist.org/2024/12/09/freebsd-oci-containers ahh so this looks more recent (than last time I tried)
01:29:15 <rtj> hodapp: They are full OCI compliant now.
01:30:36 <hodapp> podman?
01:31:42 <rtj> https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/freebsd-officially-supported-in-oci-runtime-specification-v1-3/
02:41:21 <solo> any binary "pkg" sqlite3 for tcl9.* out yet?
02:42:36 <solo> I upgraded to tcl 9 and got some problems with old sqlite3 which was installed with tcl8
10:42:31 <librecat> after struggling to find a environment to develop a openbsd fork
10:42:35 <librecat> i landed on freebsd
10:42:48 <librecat> it seems like its gonna stick other than wifi
10:43:00 <librecat> but its so nice to use so far that i might just get a compatible wifi using usb
10:43:38 <librecat> i got effectively a better version of gentoo using ports and synth
10:43:48 <mzar> good choice librecat !
10:43:54 <librecat> its fully source based but uses a binary only package manager with librecat
10:44:09 <librecat> rip you corrupted my stack
10:44:16 <mzar> 11:42 < librecat> i landed on freebsd <- very good choice !
10:44:18 <librecat> its like gentoo but uses pkg as a backaend
10:44:39 <librecat> also freebsd is rock solid
10:44:42 <librecat> extremely stable
10:44:49 <librecat> much more stable than i expected
10:44:54 <mzar> 100% stability
10:45:03 <librecat> i thought that 13.5 would be a good choice for me for developing this openbsd 7.0 fork
10:45:15 <librecat> but i was wrong in a good way when i found out it uses llvm 19(same as 15.0)
10:45:27 <mzar> 15.0 or CURRENT are better choices for developers
10:45:36 <librecat> also im using a ryzen 7 9700x as cpu
10:45:40 <librecat> and its fully supported
10:45:47 <librecat> even thought 13.0 came out in late 2021
10:45:51 <librecat> this is true stability right here
10:46:10 <librecat> and i can use other nice things like latest blobbed nvidia driver
10:46:26 <librecat> mzar: once 13.5 fall out of support im gonna jump to 16-CURRENT
10:46:36 <librecat> im extremely excited for a fully modular system
10:47:04 <librecat> mzar: before 15 or 16 i was trying freebsd occasionally and upgrading from one -CURRENT to another was so painful
10:47:17 <librecat> now we can upgrade much more modularly
10:47:24 <librecat> using -CURRENT will be possible now
10:47:53 <mzar> librecat: switch to pkgbase now and install CURRENT
10:48:08 <librecat> mzar: how do i do that on 13.5 lol
10:48:12 <librecat> do i do 15 first
10:48:15 <librecat> then 15 with pkgbase
10:48:18 <librecat> then 16-current?
10:48:29 <librecat> because logically if i do 15.0 with sets first
10:48:37 <librecat> then do 15.0 with pkgbase its gonna overwrite the exact same files
10:48:40 <librecat> but register them
10:48:56 <librecat> mzar: alright here goes nothing :)
10:50:36 <mzar> librecat: upgrade 13.5 => 14.3, pkgbasify, upgrade 14.3 => 16.0-CURRENT
10:50:42 <mzar> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:16:amd64/base_latest/
10:50:59 <librecat> too late to cancel 13.5 -> 15.0 now
10:51:35 <librecat> mzar: oh my gosh wow
10:51:38 <librecat> its already fully modular
10:51:40 <mzar> you can use generic-nodebug kernel if you are concerned about performance
10:51:41 <librecat> every component is a package
10:52:06 <librecat> oh also the base is now built rootless right
10:52:15 <librecat> if they do the same invention for ports.....
10:52:21 <librecat> imagine running synth like nix or homebrew
10:52:25 <librecat> as your NORMAL USER
10:52:46 <librecat> mzar: right now is the start of a FreeBSD golden age :)
10:53:00 <mzar> librecat: it's safe and straightforward path if you have root on ZFS that offers you the ability to create testing boot enviroment (BE)
10:53:11 <librecat> mzar: i like UFS more sorry
10:53:26 <librecat> hmmm
10:53:28 <librecat> do i just reinstall
10:53:33 <librecat> i dont have much on this system right now
10:53:45 <librecat> i can get a snapshot and install using pkgbase to start with
10:53:51 <librecat> because im gonna have to rebuild the ports anyway
10:54:02 <mzar> librecat: it has already happened, the Golden Age of FreeBSD was during 4.x times, Golden Age is a history
10:54:19 <librecat> i dont care
10:54:23 <librecat> freebsd best
10:54:32 <librecat> i love it so much
10:55:29 <mzar> OK, if you really appreciate what the guys are cooking and serving you, you can support them by donating a few bucks to FreeBSD Foundation
10:55:51 <librecat> orrrr i add freebsd to the list of projects i want to contribute to
10:56:02 <librecat> im already contributing to hyperbolabsd from admiration
10:56:05 <mzar> OK, go ahed
10:56:12 <mzar> ahead*
10:56:14 <librecat> yeah
10:56:21 <librecat> lemme look at what the devs are up to :)
10:56:23 <nimaje> most of package building works without root privileges and I would hope synth does it like that, but starting jails for isolation from the host needs root
10:56:46 <librecat> see mzar here is a problem to solve
10:57:05 <librecat> like making a daemon to start a restricted jail if the user is in a particular group
10:57:22 <librecat> so that poudriere and synth work even when invoked by a normal privleged user
10:57:38 <librecat> its like docker group
10:57:40 <librecat> in linux
10:57:57 <librecat> but unilke that i can make it super limited
10:58:00 <nimaje> some days ago https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/contributing/ was linked
10:58:01 <librecat> and no way to change it
10:59:02 <librecat> oh i like doing copiler upgrades
10:59:03 <librecat> perfect
10:59:22 <librecat> lets make a fully functional freebsd 16-current using latest stable llvm :)
10:59:40 <librecat> i know a bit of C
11:00:06 <librecat> so i can look at the code and say either "this code needs tiny refactor", "this code needs a per-line warning supression" etc
11:02:18 <librecat> i think with this transition to a modular system freebsd needs a unified packaging system that is backward compatbile
11:02:27 <librecat> simillar to gentoo and portage
11:02:32 <librecat> and also synth
11:02:50 <librecat> it should be a distributed sandboxed rootless builder
11:02:59 <librecat> and then you install results using pkg as root
11:03:44 <librecat> also hyperbola project has everything blocked by libc rewrite
11:03:57 <librecat> so i might try to write a demo or a PoC
11:04:11 <AmyMalik> have you done drugs
11:04:24 <librecat> me?
11:04:46 <AmyMalik> what *is* this activity?
11:04:53 <librecat> when i get too excited like this
11:05:17 <AmyMalik> hypomania. i've had it too. it can be fun
11:12:46 <librecat> AmyMalik: its called other things
11:12:48 <librecat> not what you said
14:38:09 <CrypticSquared>  is my pkg database corrupt when updating it spits out errors with sqlite?
14:38:39 <CrypticSquared> pkg: sqlite error while executing INSERT OR REPLACE INTO packages
15:33:29 <Macer> CrypticSquared: I think k there was some weird repo bug earlier
15:33:38 <Macer> Have you tried swapping to latest?
15:47:46 <VVD> pkubaj, hi! Is your commit https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/graphics/materialx?id=c4639310fb54038d40bfdd8ab786aeb538e157f4 fixes PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/292257 ?
15:52:02 <zip> You'll all be pleased to hear that I've ordered a raspberry pi zero 2w, which seem to have come down in price, so that I can tinker without smacking into the fact that what was an underpowered board in 2012 isn't well supported
15:52:15 <zip> Well, not as much anyway
15:52:46 <zip> I got pretty interested in the boot process hence the choice of pi and not another faster imitator that has bad documentation
15:52:54 <rtprio> i still have a pi 1b and holy hell is that thing slow now
15:54:53 <rtprio> i mean, it was always slow
16:03:43 <zip> I hope usb cec works a bit better with the newer card
16:18:25 <newbsduser> #claude
16:18:45 <newbsduser> sorry it was a mistake
16:49:56 <pkubaj> VVD: yes, it does
16:50:05 <VVD> thanks
16:50:16 <pkubaj> i didn't write anything, because i found out about it not from bugzilla, but my own bulk builds
22:50:45 <AmyMalik> I think that I am cursed.