00:05:53 o\ 00:05:56 https://i.ibb.co/TDh5Nnck/chicken-pre-salad.jpg 00:08:42 kerneldove_, checkpoint, the FreeBSD handbook (the official and current version) is at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/. 00:24:05 V_PauAmma_V, ty. is there a chapter on performance tuning still that checkpoint was refering to? 00:33:42 No longer, see https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/book/#preface-changes-from4 00:39:15 :( 00:39:32 rtprio, how much is a small amount of memory? 10-20MB? 00:39:34 https://i.ibb.co/RkdKtvGx/IMG-20260107-193259195.jpg <-- salad 1 (not mine) 00:39:46 wouldn't be worth the effort unless i could save a GB or 2 ram 01:40:05 does anyone here using waterfox and having difficulty with the right click contextual menu 01:42:25 https://postimg.cc/MvmmnWX7 02:11:26 Downloaded something like ~313 packages 02:11:29 Bah 02:11:32 sorry y'all 03:49:57 is there a package for py*-curl_cffi 03:50:02 in freebsd 03:50:38 https://bin.disroot.org/?54d40493fa0084d2#7UnaMbE5BH22XVhmswVXANCtPL51dPprhXvfnSbGZ4xH 04:15:53 kerneldove_: not sure how that size of kernel impacted memory usage, didnt save before vs after 05:25:57 is freebsd's low memory handling poor? 05:26:21 even with plenty of swap, it fails and kills processes, and eventually might get completely stuck 05:28:54 machine getting locked up with "swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer:..." 05:43:43 killing processes is intended behaviour under memory pressure, as a means of unlocking the system long enough to disable the offending program 05:45:15 makr, The "swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer" is an error writing to the disk. Are there other error messages in /var/log/messages? 05:45:39 How is your swap configured? 05:47:10 Given that error I think the problem is that the kernel was unable to use the swap that was configured, was still in a low memory condition, and therefore killed processes to continue with the memory that it had available. But it was trying to page out to swap and that produced the error. I think that issue of error writing to swap needs to be pursued first. 05:47:50 there's a 1gb swap partition and a 1gb swapfile 05:48:15 i don't see disk errors in the log 05:50:36 The swapfile... You are using UFS? It's a swapfile on UFS? That should work okay but I would unconfigure the swap file and leave the swap partition and see if the problem persists. 05:50:58 If the swap file is on zfs well that's problematic and definitely would avoid doing that. 05:51:21 Because zfs also uses dynamic memory and a deadlock condition can occur. 06:07:19 yeah UFS 06:07:51 hmm are swap files less reliable? 06:12:33 fwiw it seems linux handles needing to swap better than freebsd but that might be because i run zfs on freebsd 06:20:13 i wish OS's would do whatever macOS does...isn't their code open-source? 06:20:47 my mac with 8 gb ram would continue to run smoothly even while using gigabytes of swap 06:33:21 makr, I think swap files on UFS should be okay. It is just something I would try to debug why you are experiencing "swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer" errors. 06:33:54 makr, No, Apple's MacOS software is not open source. Proprietary. 06:34:24 rwp: they don't release Darwin source anymore? 06:36:02 As I understood it Apple did not publish their source code. But I am probably wrong. I don't do anything with Apple Macs. 06:37:50 I guess they do release the kernel. I guess it is the GUI and graphics and applications which they do not release. 06:59:15 yep 08:53:51 Gotta love nextcloud-php85 giving error message "This version of Nextcloud is not compatible with PHP>=8.5. You are currently running 8.5.1." 09:07:14 hey 09:08:05 i wonder how can I use the new "pkgbase" system with 15.0 on my system I want to upgrade frm 14.3 to 15.0? 09:08:30 I think that upgrading process won't switch from old base management system to the new one? 09:17:08 Hello, I need some help with setting up hikari. I've been following the handbook up to the Wayland section closely, but "seatd-launch hikari -c " results in seatd refusing to start. 09:18:36 I'm not sure how to netcat an error message, but will be looking into it 10:10:53 need help with that : 10:10:58 Crash Annotation GraphicsCriticalError: |[0][GFX1-]: RenderCompositorSWGL failed mapping default framebuffer, no dt (t=3.36497) [GFX1-]: RenderCompositorSWGL failed mapping default framebuffer, no dt 10:11:00 [Parent 7876, Main Thread] WARNING: dbusmenu_menuitem_property_set_shortcut: assertion 'gtk_accelerator_valid(key, modifier)' failed: 'glib warning', file /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/waterfox/work/waterfox-6.6.7/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:201 10:11:02 (waterfox:7876): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-CRITICAL **: 04:56:17.793: dbusmenu_menuitem_property_set_shortcut: assertion 'gtk_accelerator_valid(key, modifier)' failed 10:39:37 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=292267 10:42:51 is there other people outhere experiencing such issue with waterfox or i'm I the only one with this bug ? 12:55:17 titou: it won't switch automatically as both ways are supported for now, there is pkgbasify.lua, not sure if it gets shipped with 15.0 or if you have to download it yourself 14:07:19 You have to download it from https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/pkgbasify 14:25:00 Does anyone know the exact FreeBSD-* package that provides sysrc? 14:40:34 cat5e: bsdconfig 14:41:12 thank you 15:07:04 Hrm, is ${ARCH} not available in the skeleton pkg of a new install? 15:58:37 Ltning: huh, apparently not 17:28:54 nimaje: so to use the pkgbase mechanism I need to reinstall completely FreeBSD ? 17:53:46 titou: upgrade to 15.0 first and then run what vkarlsen linked above 17:57:02 (Because running it on 14.3 is rather buggy) 17:57:41 Or to be more specific, it runs well but the upgrade to 15.0 afterwards is a hassle 18:06:09 The pkgbasify.lua script can do the whole thing in a few minutes. Doesn't take very long. 18:06:26 My round-trip with a reboot on a slow server was ~10 minutes 18:06:48 neat 18:53:24 lts: thanks a lot 20:47:32 chroot /compat/alpine/ xfe 20:47:32 openDisplay: unable to open display :0 20:47:32 how to fix that? 22:33:36 uh. This is the freebsd channel? OFTC has the #alpine channel 22:48:52 wavefunction, Yes this is the #freebsd channel. https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Channels 22:49:22 wavefunction: questions about running applications under Linux emulation (COMPAT_LINUX) are on-topic here 23:15:29 chroot /compat/alpine/ xfe 23:15:29 openDisplay: unable to open display :0 23:15:29 how to fix that? 23:26:58 hm, do you really want the isolation of a chroot if you want to share the xserver? but that program needs to be able to talk to the xserver so you probably want to nullmount /tmp into that chroot and it needs the $XAUTHORITY file 23:37:48 nimaje: I just exploring all possibilites while learning... jails, chroot, linux compat, podman, etc. 23:37:48 learning how to replicate my linux setup on freebsd. 23:44:38 and is that xfe you are running there via linux compat https://www.freshports.org/x11-fm/xfe/ ? 23:48:30 ivy: My bad.