00:18:39 Greetings. I recently purchased a Lenovo v15 g4 laptop, intel core i7 processor. It's not "officially" support, but I've installed FreeBSD 15 and I've managed to get it working pretty well. There are still a couple of issues with suspend/resume and bluetooth. Anyone available for a couple of questions? 00:36:43 numberoneson: good job +1 00:37:46 looks like a nice laptop 00:41:10 Thanks. I'm pretty happy so far. It would be nice to get bluetooth working, though, and I'm afraid that's outside my area of expertise. usbconfig shows it's there and apparently alive, but I can't configure it. 01:43:51 15 really is a gigantic step backward on my machines performance wise. I think I am going to roll back at least a couple of them to 14, ugh. 02:00:28 amigan: Is the performance lose across the board or I/O related? 02:01:00 It seems to be all IO related. 02:03:11 I installed 15 on this lenovo laptop since I needed up to date iwlwifi, but I've noticed that IO seems a lot poorer than I'd expected. I was thinking/hoping I could buy a higher end ssd but now I don't know if it's worth it. 02:03:29 Network, disk, doesn't matter. And I'm seeing some very weird behaviors, for example I always had alias precmd 'history -S; history -M' to merge the histfile across multiple shells. Under 15, it takes comparatively forever to complete this precmd and return a new prompt. I ktraced the shell and it's stuck in a giant block of thousands of sigprocmask(2) and setitimer(2) 02:04:42 On another machine, garage (an S3-compatible object store daemon) saturating the disks leads to utter 5 second hangups of ssh just echoing characters 02:05:09 Seeing behaviors on amd64 boxes, aarch64, zfs and UFS 02:05:31 Interesting. I'll try the same thing & see what I get. I have a 5+ year old dell tower running 14.3 and it's prob twice the speed of this new laptop. 02:06:27 Yeah. And my firewall apparently can no longer do line speed with iperf in one direction. Tops out at 570Mb/s, even with pf disabled. 02:06:31 No bencharks, though. I'm just comparing how it feels/acts while eg compiling in the background. 02:06:54 Yes, same here. I'm just going by every day use. Also, poudriere runs definitely take longer. 02:07:27 Hmm. My firewall is opnsense on a small supermicro. They're still using 14. 02:07:32 No problems there. 02:07:44 I'm a moron and upgraded everyone at once. I've never regretted it before. 02:08:16 Firewall is just vanilla FreeBSD 02:08:58 :) Same... I've just spent enough time getting 15 usable on this laptop that I haven't had time to upgrade my others yet. 02:09:27 FWIW I've been very happy with opnsense. 02:09:38 Yeah, I would hold off. Normally I am totally fine with being a guinea pig and report bugs but this is kind of ridiculous 02:10:12 You know what they say about .0 releases. 02:10:32 But I'm going to try to collect some useful data, anyhow. 02:10:41 Lol, yeah. But none of the .0s I've gone through in the past were bad. It was always a step forward. 02:10:43 I 02:10:53 wonder if pkgbase will make downgrading less painful 02:11:16 Some of these machines are UFS and while I do have full backups of 14, it will be a pain 02:11:48 I'd be interested to hear how it goes. The spirit hasn't yet moved me to switch to pkgbase. 02:12:14 I'm thinking, downgrade base, and downgrade packages before rebooting so I don't run into any ABI incompatibilities 02:12:57 Yeah. pkgbase is definitely a step forward. I build -STABLE for my whole network normally, and mounting /usr/src /usr/obj over NFS was always janky af 02:13:15 i didn't find nfs:/usr/obj janky at al 02:13:16 l 02:13:42 It worked, sure. But it was not as clean as pkgbase 02:14:08 I've been doing NFS /usr/obj for 20 years, this is nicer 02:14:26 Sounds good. I'm tempted to buy a new drive (i'm afraid prices are going to shoot through the roof thanks to ai...) and try it that way. I have good backups. 02:15:26 I've also been using NFS /usr/obj for many years & it works, which is a big part of why I haven't experimented with pkgbase yet. Thanks for the push.. 02:15:53 Yeah, the best time to start building and hoarding components was 6 months ago. The next best time is right now. I just built a box a few weeks ago, my first in a decade. Hope it lasts me another decade considering how much I spent on dram. 02:18:45 OK, my plan is now to buy a new 2tb drive, add it to my tower, & install 15 on it. Then I can compare buildworlds/compiling libreoffice. 02:19:14 Or compiling rust. Both are pretty time-consuming. 02:20:28 Yup, rust, llvm19 (for postgres), and mongodb are the heavyweights in my poudriere runs. If you try to MAKE_JOBS llvm it will just start ooming. Working set sizes over 2GB per process during LTO 02:22:21 I was really excited to move my big hypervisor (the new box) from linux to FreeBSD but I don't think it's in the cards for a bit with these regressions. 02:25:10 I'm actually pretty new to irc; just getting started. But I plan to stick around & I plan to share my results after a 14.3-15 side-by-side comparison. 02:44:13 amigan: are you on 15/stable or -release? 02:46:08 i just started moving 3 of my systems to 15/stable from source but i'll keep an eye out for any noticible perf regressions