00:07:53 adiabatic, I don't know but I might think that fragmentation is also a measure of how discontinuous the free block space is on the disk. Freeing up files creates free blocks in those dispersed areas. Maybe. Don't quote me on it. 00:08:20 better than _my_ best guess, at least. 00:08:41 I wonder how big the new files are… 00:09:44 I save off articles and then never have time to read them in detail. But look at this one: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSZpoolFragmentationDetails 00:10:27 It's 10 years old now from 2015 so I am sure many details will be different but it is a place to start. 00:10:46 The new ones are all 67 MB apiece. 00:12:35 this looks like it's gonna be the ticket but I'm gonna have to get a good night's sleep before it makes sense 00:12:41 thanks! 00:14:50 I think in general the wisdom of the net has been that the frag reported in zpool list does not mean what we coming from other file systems thinks it means. And that we can pretty much not worry about it. As long as there is enough free space for the file system to work. Keep 5%-10% free. 00:19:10 I don't even _remember_ fragmentation percentages in Norton Utilities or Diskeeper or whatever it was for NTFS. 00:19:18 But it's kind of been a while. 00:29:25 rwp I will also relisten or read the transcript from the latest 2.4ad podcast there was question from the listeners. 00:31:10 rwp my install would hold the contents of /var/opt/mssql (sql server) for a linux vm. 01:42:19 s2r, The command I listed was the one I found as the recommended combination of features for MariaDB/MySQL databases. 03:36:32 what causes state-insert (failures) in the output of pfctl -si? 03:39:03 (state-insert state insertion failure) 03:46:27 zfs question. i have jailed a dataset; within said jail I am getting "cannot set property for 'fleuve/jails/invictus/ARCH/amd64/usr.local': 'mountpoint' cannot be set while dataset 'zoned' property is set" trying to set the mountpoint for a dataset which was legacy mounted (mount -t zfs works though) 03:47:02 do i have to fettle something to make the script that processes fstab work jailed 04:16:15 also got IPv6 being fun™ 04:22:15 ok this is weird for me. I have a laptop(mac) connected to a box that's doing nat and wireguard to my home network. my laptop seems to nfs mount from my home server and shows top level folders but when I try to go into one the mount seems to hang 04:41:18 crb: are you using NFSv4 ? 04:42:45 if the client is behind NAT but the server no, then only NFSv4 protocol is able to help 04:45:51 Also NFSv3 is latency limited, works great on a LAN, but is terrible over the Internet WAN. Recommend to avoid. (I don't know about NFSv4 over the Internet WAN.) 04:46:22 Over the Internet WAN sshfs might be a better choice. But I know you said Mac and I have no idea anything about macs of if they support sshfs or not. 04:47:23 I'm on a Mac and I _used_ to use sshfs with FUSE… 04:47:39 Also NFS operates in the kernel layer. Which means that when servers drop off, because the Internet is not reliable, or you moved your laptop, or whatever, then it can wedge up systems. Since sshfs is in the fuse layer that never wedges up the kernel. 04:48:37 NFS is really a LAN protocol. I have worked with NFS on LANs forever. Not hating on NFS here. NFS is actually a good thing. 04:51:35 LXGHTNXNG, How are you mounting with fstab? I forget which but if trying to use fstab /inside/ the jail then yes there are more permissions needed for it. But instead add the mount line in the /etc/jail.conf file and it should work. That's a typical way, of the several, of mounting into jails as the jail starts and unmounting automatically when the jail is stopped. 04:55:19 LXGHTNXNG: when dataset is jailed, you can change properties of this dataset from within the jail 04:56:58 If I don't need the dataset mounted in the jail directly, I just use nullfs and be done with it. 05:00:01 ek: sometimes jailing a dataset is the only viable solution, for example if you want to run poudriere in the jail 05:02:40 mzar: Exactly. If I don't need anything like that, I just use nullfs from outside to grant r/w or whatever to the jail. 05:04:20 yep, good point, that's less complex, we should keep things simple and stupid, that's our duty 05:11:26 mzar: I agree! 05:15:56 mzar: that's the thing, though, the dataset is jailed and i can't change its properties from within the jail 05:17:13 but i can run mount -t zfs within the jail 05:18:28 LXGHTNXNG: on the host, you need need special devfs.rules to use zfs in jails, add "add path zfs unhide" to the config on the host, at least in the ruleset dedicated to this jail 06:57:52 i did that 06:58:09 i think. anyway i'm eepy 06:58:59 ports fetch for things with a GNU master site seems to hitch sometimes (and by hitch I mean apparently waiting infinitely) 07:01:04 though i also have a generally cursed setup 07:06:04 occasionally chmod throws a bad file descriptor, and then retrying works 07:14:20 ha... broken FS 09:03:35 as someone new to FreeBSD, What is the biggest thing coming from Linux would say is different ? 09:12:35 ls 09:13:02 Pauli1: hi. 09:13:20 haha what the command "LS"? 09:13:41 A friend tells me that he's got some broken tarball from my site, and we confirm that disabling ktls "fixes" the problem 09:13:46 tarel2: oops :) 09:14:42 As usual I can't reproduce the problem, but he does as you do. Now how shall we proceed? 09:15:48 That sucks man 09:16:01 What are the tarballs of ? 09:16:58 tarel2: the content of the tarball is not very relevant, as I've been reported (by Pauli1) that the same happens on a picture downloaded from the same server 09:17:27 sounds lame 09:17:50 I'd say it sounds like a bug, which ...happens :) 09:18:22 tarel2: FreeBSD has manuals that are worth reading 09:19:09 that's the biggest difference for me 09:20:19 * dacav jumps in the discussion 09:20:24 oh yeah, the docs are super great 09:20:36 That I remember 09:22:30 When I started Linux 18 years ago I could have used  guide book for sure 09:27:15 tarel2: are you evaluating FreeBSD out of curiosity or maybe some specific reason ? 09:32:10 I had not tried something different in sometime so just  curiosity 09:37:03 tarel2: It has its own non-gnu userland, native zfs support, static rescue tools in /rescue in case you'll need them 09:37:49 tarel2: Doesn't pick a desktop environment for you, but lets you choose one or none or many 09:39:00 tarel2: Fewer handrails, but the documentation is great 09:47:30 tarel2: I fell in love with the fact that things are quite simple and everything feels like it makes sense. Eg on fresh system you have like 10 processes running instead of 100 daemons. 99% of ports install them selves to /usr/local/ instead of all over the place like in most linux distros. And many other small things. 09:54:18 But the biggest hurdle you will likely run into is that the userland tools are different. Not everything will work the same as you have used to in GNU but fortunately the manpages are good. 09:54:27 tarel2: please don't get burnt by enthusiasts; FreeBSD is a decent OS for some purposes 10:03:43 tarel2: FreeBSD is a complete OS, instead of just a kernel like Linux is. That makes FreeBSD rock solid, at least as a server platform. 11:03:41 I used to daily drive FreeBSD. I don't know why but compared to Linux it feels more 'comfy' and responsive. I even got Netflix working and could do some gaming too 11:07:33 anyway to get bsd make to output the commands its executing 11:49:20 polarian: isn't that the default 11:49:40 Remilia: no it outputs the output of the comands, not what its executing 11:49:56 no, by default it outputs both, ports just uses @ a lot to hide the commands 11:50:30 ivy: ah right, well I am trying to get make to output the meson command its executing from the meson use 11:50:41 make -dx might do what you want 11:51:21 polarian: https://pastee.dev/p/tNcUv5pT 11:51:28 oh, -dl is probably better 11:51:48 Remilia: yeah but as ivy said @ hides it 11:51:57 ivy: will test, thx 11:53:22 -dl doesnt seem to do anything 11:53:32 wonder where @ was used first to suppress command output, Makefile or batch files 11:53:34 oh wait one sec 11:54:06 there we go 11:55:23 WARNING: Running the setup command as `meson [options]` instead of `meson setup [options]` is ambiguous and deprecated. 11:55:25 hmm could be this 15:42:43 Alas. I could not find a reason why internal jail fstab will not mount rclone smb. 15:55:07 what is rclone smb ? 16:33:09 what causes state-insert (failures) in the output of pfctl -si? (state-insert state insertion failure) 16:39:08 is anyone here running a display server within bhyve? 18:53:26 Hi. Is anyone use ViFM? 18:54:23 I am trying to find out why I can't map , maybe it is FreeBSD issue (or actually Vifm's bug under FreeBSD)? 19:17:34 wikan: what ViFM is ? 19:18:27 a vim-like file manager 19:19:00 interesting 19:20:23 c-left and c-right act weird 19:20:36 you can most likely install it, issue command "pkg install misc/vifm" 19:21:17 i use it but I can't map c-Left and c-Right and I have no idea why 19:21:47 I am not using it, can't help 19:22:11 I know there is some buggy apps under freebsd, so i thought maybe it is a issue too ;) 19:22:45 because I can't find anything about this problem 19:22:45 !? 19:24:36 I forgot yet. But there was some apps with some issues related to BSD-secific terminal or something like it. 19:25:26 echo $TERM => xterm-256color 19:25:45 I am not sure but I think vim has an option for BSD 19:26:18 vim is excellent, but now helix editor is trending 19:26:54 i am too lazy to jongle :D 19:27:16 OK 19:28:05 I tried neovim. Same bugs, same issues, so I kept using vim which I know 19:31:14 I have installed editors/micro for guys who are not familiar with vi/vim as a nano replacemnt 19:31:33 micro is cool for beginners 19:31:48 yeap 19:42:10 Helix is... If (neo)vim could get a reasonable batteries-included install, helix wouldn't be trending 19:43:48 Lazy vim is nice for the batteries-included options. 19:44:08 wikan: Can I ask what you're trying to map to C-Left & C-Right? 19:45:38 actually I try to unmap or remap because C-Right always makes 5 copies of the file under cursor, and C-Left prepares to do pernamet deletion 5 times 19:46:01 and it is not about vim but vifm 19:46:59 and because I use c-left and c-right under vim to jump between buffers, I press C-Left/Right automaticaly under vifm 19:47:22 ...to jummp between panes. 20:09:40 makes sense. 20:10:37 Huh. wikan - my kagi-fu got me to https://github.com/vifm/vifm/issues/637 and https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71376936/vifm-remapping-control-right-left-in-command-line-mode#71381881 20:12:19 Not sure if that's actually helpful 20:13:25 well, it is not exactly my issue, because it is related to vifm's command line case, but... 20:14:59 ...first link provides solution by xaizek. He said vifm cant recognize c-left/right because of ncurses so the solution is to map [1;5C and [1;5D 20:15:56 and now I found out what 5D means, beause 5D always was showing on statusbar after I tried to c-left. I thought it is 5 times D but it is not :D 20:16:18 so I noremap'ed p1;5C and 5D and it works fine 20:16:23 thanks wavefunction 20:30:18 wikan: Nice! Glad it worked out. 20:30:59 Now you can join the neovim club ;-) 22:23:28 Hello everyone, I know that the LSF has some kinds of certifications for sys admins, does the FreeBSD Foundation has something similar? 23:53:21 mzar: rclone is a fuse based remote fs app 23:53:33 that runs in userspace 23:53:51 afaik. it is the only sane way to use smb with fbsd 23:54:16 i think mount_smbfs was deprecated a long time ago and there isn't a fbsd equivalent of mount.cifs