00:01:43 I'm currently looking at the code 00:50:17 alrighty. have bastille running on what used to be the old proxmox server :) and managed to make a vnet jail on a vlan 00:50:21 that actually works heh 00:50:44 i wish bastille had an ncurses interface :) like some tui thing 01:16:26 cbsd does 01:19:39 does it?! 01:20:56 https://github.com/Peter2121/cbsd-tui <- this? 04:31:24 I burned the disc image onto the drive using dd, now it boots :) ; I don't know why it didn't boot when using ventoy. 05:37:22 Ventoy requires some custom something for every OS that it can boot. It may seem like it is some type of generic OS magic-boot tool. But as I understand it ventoy knows about every OS it boots and usually needs to be customized for each one. 05:38:00 Which means that every time an OS puts out a new release I hear everyone complain that ventoy doesn't boot it. Until it is updated to do so. 06:19:00 hmm, i had the assumption that ventoy was a magic-all OS boot tool too, thanks for the info rwp. 06:27:26 I just know that every time there is a new major OS release made by Debian, Ubuntu, *BSD, that afterward I see a lot of people reporting that Ventoy can't boot it. People eventually say update to the latest Ventoy and that this fixes it. 06:49:37 wtf is ventoy 06:52:45 rtprio: https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html 06:56:38 oh 08:51:06 why is my freebsd server killing processes with there is plenty of swap 08:53:42 how much RAM do you have 08:54:00 and what are the processes? i assume they are dying as out of memory? 08:55:45 What is being logged to /var/log/messages about it? 08:55:49 1 gb of ram, 2 gb swap 08:56:12 in the log there's - Dec 20 03:09:13 freebsd kernel: pid 13749 (valkey-server), jid 0, uid 537, was killed: failed to reclaim memory - Dec 20 03:09:19 freebsd kernel: pid 1633 (node), jid 0, uid 1002, was killed: failed to reclaim memory 09:00:26 Initially I would think that whatever process you are running is exceeding what you have. But... How much memory is the program you are running using? 09:02:03 my node process is using around 200 mb 09:02:17 valkey is using 35 mb 09:02:46 is there a pkg cron job or something? i'm seeing something like that in the graph 09:05:35 i don't know what this is but i'm suspecting it - /usr/local/etc/periodic/daily/411.pkg-backup 09:14:46 looks like it's due to vm.pageout_oom_seq 09:15:18 Personally I like the "htop" tool best. It has a graphical memory bar which I find useful. I would "pkg install htop" and then have it run in a terminal while I am running the program and then see what the system is doing. But... Impulse spikes of memory use will be too fast for htop to see. 09:16:04 a pkg cron job runs at that time, and pkg takes too much memory, and then the OS starts killing stuff, regardless of swap due to vm.pageout_oom_seq 09:16:44 rwp: i forget about htop. i used lnav and netdata to see what happened at that time 10:11:32 makr: are you using UFS or ZFS btw? 10:11:44 Remilia: UFS 10:14:02 for starters I'd probably watch top while trying to trigger the crash 10:14:20 then there's dtrace 13:07:28 Hi! IDK if anybody here could be interested, but I had some fun lately with a tarpit for web crawlers, and I run it on my freebsd webserver. Project page: https://dacav.org/projects/supercazzola/ ; The result looks like this: https://dacav.org/L/tarpit-demo 13:10:54 hey 13:11:42 my php-fpm (8.4) on freebsd 14.3 often crashs with SEGV but no core file is produced 13:12:06 does someone has trouble with php 8.4 which crashs ? And how could I have core file in order to understand why it crashs? 13:12:23 ulimit for core is unlimited and kern.corefile is set to a location where the user can write the core file 13:15:07 dacav: as i can see you run lighttpd/1.4.82 on your server. Do you run it with ktls enabled? 13:16:23 Pauli1: not that I know of 13:17:07 dacav: moment, i will show somewaht ... 13:17:47 OK. If that matters, I use lighttpd from pkg 13:17:55 dacav: https://coe.chickenkiller.com/disposal/finger.png 13:18:13 uhm... butchered picture? 13:18:49 Because I have the same strange thing with my box when lighttpd runs with ktls 13:19:18 That picture is from your site 13:19:34 https://dacav.org/pics/neo.jpeg 13:19:38 This one 13:19:58 Right. I never noticed this problem before 13:21:06 So i'm not alone with that. ;) 13:21:16 That's great! :D 13:21:25 Are you sure it is due to ktls? 13:21:48 * dacav didn't even know of ktls before this conversation 13:22:35 It seems so because the is corrupt 13:22:42 sysctl kern.ipc.tls.enable 13:22:55 sysctl kern.ipc.tls.stats 13:24:35 I can't reproduce the problem btw 13:24:44 How do I? 13:25:11 ssl.openssl.ssl-conf-cmd += ("Options" => "-KTLS" ) in lighttpd.conf will "solve" that but .... 13:25:37 Oh, you can't reproduce the problem ? 13:25:47 Nope 13:26:15 That's sounds good. So maybe the problem is here only 13:26:31 I open the picture in firefox 13:26:44 I just opened it on firefox (well, librewolf) and even curled it 13:26:48 what if you curl it? 13:26:50 And got the result 13:28:02 Same lynx https://dacav.org/pics/neo.jpeg 13:29:50 Pauli1: could it be a matter of latency? From your IP you look kinda distant 13:29:54 the server is in London 13:30:19 I'm Germany, near by. ;) 13:30:47 Oh, OK. Then maybe I took someone else's IP 13:33:37 I curl it with another Server and the picture looks fine. Seems the error, mistake, whatever is here on my machine 13:33:45 uhm uhm 13:33:53 Let me try to enable ktls from my client side 13:34:53 nope 13:35:01 (assuming curl makes use of that) 13:36:23 I have no clue what it can be. sendfile, lighttpd on ZFS ... 13:36:44 What ever I've to try and try ... ;) 13:39:32 One question, do run FreeBSD 14 or 15 13:39:39 on server freebsd15 13:39:40 14.3 here 13:39:43 Ah 13:39:47 client-side it is 14.3 13:40:17 Thanks 13:40:22 Any time :) 13:40:45 Feel free to ask for details if you need (if I don't answer just /query me) 13:40:50 (I will eventually answer) 13:43:30 Okay :) 14:03:36 for the life of me i can't seem to get rclone to mount smb in a jail :/ 14:03:43 i don't remember having issues like this with jails before 14:18:25 Anyone manage to the new MIT kerberos in base working with freebsd15? It does not seem to be compatible with cyrus-sasl-gssapi 14:22:44 Macer: can you use a nullfs mount in the jail? 14:22:50 mount_fusefs: /dev/fuse on /mnt/test: Operation not permitted 14:22:54 rtj: possibly 14:23:19 i know rclone works on the host 14:23:29 i've been messing around with jail.conf and devfs.rules nonstop for the past hour 14:23:33 trying to sort out why rclone just won't work 14:27:02 https://pastebin.com/a0MT7Jty 14:27:06 not really sure what i'm doing wrong here :/ 14:28:00 I've been trying to trim the fat on the void box so I can zfs send its fs elsewhere and play with BSD for a while, and boy fucking howdy do Discord, Slack and Signal Desktop use most of the space. Also: xbps never clears up after itself either 14:29:25 ah well... let me shut it down and take a break from it lol 14:29:45 trying to get to a point where i get past the learning curve to start using freebsd for a jail/vm server vs proxmox 14:29:54 but it's things like fighting this... :) 14:30:58 oh wait.. think i missed something 14:32:54 * Macer facepalms 14:33:20 i guess it's allow.mount.fusefs not allow.mount.fuse .. argh! i forgot the "fs" lol 14:34:58 ok. that worked. now i'll take a break. i still have to sort out where to put rclone so i can use it in fstab.. i know it's different in freebsd 15:24:22 If you die in Linuxulator, you die in real life 15:31:22 haha 15:31:36 well right now i'm trying to sort out how i'm supposed to rename rclone to act as a mount helper for fstab 15:31:53 -t rclone -t fuse.rclone -t rclonefs all say invalid fs 15:32:09 the helper does seem to act as a helper when rclone is linked to mount.rclone or rclonefs 15:34:08 wow.. i just remembered.. i put that on my abandoned blog lol... https://crazy.macer.life/freebsd-jails-rclone-mounting/ 15:38:47 and it still doesn't work. that was with 14.. i doubt much has changed since then... well a lot did but not this 15:43:12 ah ok. so it seems i found it impossible to mount using rclone IN the jail and had to resort to mounting it into the jail from the host 17:50:00 Hi all, is it possible to put FreeBSD on a chromebook? I keep getting kernel panics with ubuntu, would love some stability. 17:57:45 hello 17:57:55 how can i upgrade from 14.2 to latest version? 18:00:22 https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/ 18:01:27 pretty sure you can upgrade from 14.2 to 15.0 directly. Conservatively, upgrade to 14.3 latest and then 15.0 18:07:44 Is it possible to put freebsd on a chromebook if I have access to the UEFI to boot into whatever I want? 18:39:24 Good morning everyone! I've asked this in #freebsd-irc, not realising it was the overflow channel. I'm trying to compile world from source, but i'm getting an error while compiling bootstrap. I get an error at _bootstrap-tools-link-[`, namely `Cannot find host tool '['`. What am i missing ? 19:06:59 violette: are you running make with any special options or have you modified any Makefiles? 19:09:05 my first thought is that there's either a malformed option or maybe a malformed environment variable - my second thought is maybe you're running a different `make` than /usr/bin/make? 19:09:56 This is at around line 2830 in /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 if you wanna take a look and see if any variable names jump out at you 19:11:23 Host tool '[' is "/bin/[" and that seems odd that /bin would be missing. And how would anything work if /bin was missing? 19:11:36 I think it more likely that the build environment is somehow just completely broken. 19:12:04 I wonder if $PATH is completely clobbered or something 19:12:09 I would restart from square one. I personally would create a pristine jail and build in there to ensure that the build system is in a known good state. 19:13:30 lol I'd forgotten that `[` is an actual binary and was assuming something wasn't being parsed properly 19:13:36 but yeah what rwp said - start in a fresh environment 19:16:04 This feels like a case where there is a simple error message about not finding the '[' command and we could chase down that detail but having that happen is really an indicator that something waaayyy earlier has gone very wrong. Because [ is a builtin to almost all shells since a few years. 19:16:47 yeah great call 19:30:07 hi all, any ideas about running any of the bsd family on a chromebook? 19:32:29 no idea 19:32:37 Guest95: are you a FreeBSD user ? 19:33:22 no, but i am thinking strongly about it. I skimmed through the michael lucas books 19:34:18 it's good OS, feel free to try 19:34:21 https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/track/bsd-illumos-bhyve-openzfs/ 19:35:27 my only concern that i would need to learn more about is docker/kubernetes. I guess you can use instead jails, saltstack, nomad, pot, bastille? 19:35:34 polarian is going to give a talk, nice 19:35:45 Guest95: check out podman too 19:35:49 Guest95: and Sylve 19:35:58 ok 19:36:43 fairly recent development and I believe you _should_ be able to run a lot of Docker containers natively now 19:37:01 that is cool, but what about something like kubernetes? 19:37:03 nprice: have you tried ? 19:37:19 I just run jails tbh 19:37:31 OK, same here 19:37:39 I have a bunch of hacky scripts that make them act like ephemeral Docker containers 19:37:42 but how do you scale everything like on a cluster such as kubernetes? 19:38:10 not much point on a single system 19:40:25 because i would love the stability from BSD but also the scaling like kubernetes 19:40:54 without running multiple systems there's really no scaling that kubernetes will do for you that you can't get out of a single container 19:41:50 right, you would need multiple systems set up, but how would you do that on BSD? 19:42:09 I'm not sure there's a great answer to that right now 19:42:27 would be standing up multiple systems with jails and front them with an nginx load balancer or something 19:42:48 you can certainly do it but there's gonna be a lot more manual "plumbing" for you to handle than you would running k8s 19:42:57 yea that is what i was afraid of, that would be the only thing keeping me on linux but then there are downsides to that which freebsd would solve 19:43:11 Guest95: one solutions could be running 3 vm with (bhyve) and install linux and kubenretes om them? 19:44:30 hmm interesting so the main os is BSD but then run linux VMs on them? 19:44:54 seems like it might be slow if you do that 19:45:45 Guest95: itś depends if itś for learning (homelab) they it would be okey, but not for production then i propbly to slow.. 19:45:58 right, this would be a prod system 19:47:33 hmm dont know iif you can give a your bhvyve direct-access to disks if that maybe will be better performance.. *brainstorming* :D 19:47:48 i appreciate the brainstorming 19:50:52 but try it out? I mean kubernetes node in AWS /GCP are virtual-machines :) 19:50:53 you might be surprised about how lightweight bhyve is even for full-hardware virtualization 19:51:02 Guest95: so you have to run Linux for your kubenretes, no worries, FreeBSD is not any real competitor 19:52:48 I should setup 3vms installing linux with k8s, and test it out.. 19:54:10 usually, you need k8 for your shareholders, if your business can scale, they will be pleased OC 19:54:56 but Netflix doesn't care 19:55:31 but maybe they are hiding it ...? 20:01:32 a giant pile of shell scripts can get you surprisingly far lol 20:04:10 can you explain further mzar what you mean or how they are doing it? 20:05:23 I don't know TBH 20:05:48 no worries 20:06:00 k8 is history, now everyone is focused on these ollamas 20:06:19 lol true 20:06:35 you think it is a bubble that will pop? 20:06:37 irc is history, now everyone is focused on Microsoft Teams 20:06:49 :') 20:07:04 does anyone else move distfiles to a place not on /usr/ports/distfiles? I do that but when I attempt to builkd it chokes on $DISTFILES for some reason... worked around it by changint /use/ports/distfiles to a symlink 20:07:23 yes, ollamas will take over bitcoin miners 20:07:23 There's definitely a level of bubble involved but I think a lot of the technology has proven too useful that it'll simply go away 20:07:27 WWRKDIRPREFIX still works ok though 20:07:58 yea agreed, but i feel like everyone will just switch to the best model available at the time and the best one wins 20:08:23 shbrngdo: WRKDIRPREFIX or WWRKDIRPREFIX ? 20:09:13 shbrngdo: how goes it ? are you still running FreeBSD ? 20:12:53 shbrngdo: WRKDIRPREFIX= /var/ports and DISTDIR= /var/ports/distfiles works excellent for me 20:29:14 hm. i was going to use freeipa as a dc .. but i guess they don't have anything for freebsd 20:29:33 only fedora and rh it seems 20:40:24 How to use rsync to backups in zip files? 20:46:57 X-Y problem 20:47:11 er, I'm wrong 20:47:23 as far as I know rsync cannot be used to make backups to zip files 20:51:59 but one can use tar(1) to backut to zip files 20:52:12 s/backut/backup 20:52:53 zip_: are you doing backups with tar ? 20:53:12 One day I'll switch away from IRCCloud and use a client which lets me turn off handle notifications 20:53:28 lol 20:53:48 I'm doing backups with Time Machine and backblaze but I'd probably use restic once I kick the Mac to the kerb 20:54:19 Oh I also burn things like photos and music to blu ray because immutable backup storage is good actually 20:54:59 * mzar is creating zip files using libarchive and tar on daily basis 21:03:23 LOL 21:03:33 there's always option b. change your nick :) 21:04:32 does anybody know why samba is packaged with different major versions? i guess that's because upgrades to samba can break things a special kind of way? 21:05:32 i've had to cycle it a couple times and it seems like removing / installing newer works but i was just curious why it has samba416 samba419 and samba420 instead of just samba 21:07:08 i see it packaged that way in a lot of places - i assume there are client-specific incompatibilities or whatnot, but it would be nice to have "samba" just point to whatever is the latest 21:07:34 or something along those lines similar to how we do with php and golang and nodejs 21:38:09 I’ve never seen it that way other than in FreeBSD for minor versions. I could see samba 3 and 4 being separated though. 21:57:51 nprice: samba.org people publish security updates for 3 different minor versions so… 21:59:31 kind of like mediawiki I guess 22:04:07 Hi I am trying to setup mdo(1) on a fresh install of 15.0. I have mac_do kldload'd and sysctl security.mac.do.rules="uid=1001>uid=0" but I still get the error when running mdo from my user: mdo: setcred(): Operation not permitted 22:04:46 I can't find a setup guide, and I thought I did everything the manpage said. so I am a bit stuck 22:14:19 how to make a dir drwxrwxrwt? 22:14:35 $ ls -l / 22:14:35 drwxrwxrwt 2 root wheel 512 Jun 6 2025 tmp 22:21:22 Chip1972: by setting the sticky(7) bit 22:21:54 how, in mnbame 22:22:45 how, in name of Christ? 22:23:56 ops 22:24:16 how? in name of Christ. 22:28:31 with chmod(1) the mode takes 4 octeds the manpage has the details: https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=chmod&apropos=0&sektion=1&manpath=FreeBSD+15.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html 22:32:39 God bless you... could you print it? 22:34:12 when you tell me the hostname of your cups server 22:34:23 and your printer is not on fire 22:36:45 Amen 22:38:07 * satanist wounder if this is meant to be an insult 22:40:49 (19:25:07) nologin: Chip1972, man chmod; $ chmod 1777 22:42:07 Saved by an angel... 22:42:34 Chip1972: we'd prefer if you didn't insult people for being satanists. 22:47:30 my name is satanist, but this misinterpretation is intended and for me to laugh 22:48:40 how to change nick? 22:48:53 Chip1972: /nick newnamehere 22:50:04 22:55:22 mysterious 23:43:33 so i'm trying to use samba to provision a new domain (controller) 23:43:39 and i'm getting some sort of python error 23:47:34 https://pastebin.com/iNUc5fuF 23:47:51 hm. 23:55:05 deimosBSD you think is better to upgrade 14.3 first then 15.0?