00:15:39 I don't want to get sucked into the "compile everything" mentality that I got when I used gentoo 00:24:39 JetpackJackson: the joys of freebsd is you can selectively compile what you need 00:24:47 I compile security vulns as they can be slow to update 00:25:35 I guess 00:25:58 I just hate rust compile times 00:30:34 How much space do I need for a poudriere build jail if I decide to go that route? Rather than just doing 'make config' in a ports tree 00:34:25 JetpackJackson: for one port its not really word setting up poudriere, but for the most part the space requirement is low 00:34:34 afaik it spawns the jails on demand 00:34:54 Alright 00:35:28 Im planning on doing the build in a VM and my laptop has a bunch of really chonky school projects on it 00:36:14 I should try using bhyve to virtialize the os we used in my os class 00:38:40 does anyone have an idea how I can setup the webcam? 00:41:21 sixpiece: is it recognized? 00:41:49 yes it is recognized 00:41:58 it came build in with my laptop as well 00:42:46 I mean it's recognized in the sense that it knows what it is but it appears their might not be a driver for it or whatever recognized via shell not by like going into firefox and then zoom.us and starting a meeting 00:43:43 check dmesg 00:43:55 look for the device 00:44:09 also there is a command to check but I forgot it 00:44:17 I think its under the wifi or audio section of the handbook 00:44:45 it lists the devices + its driver 00:44:47 iirc 00:46:58 JetpackJackson: nothing wrong with compiling all the things portmaster does a good job doing that 00:47:13 JetpackJackson: just dont be a weirdo and watch it compile heh 00:47:14 poudriere is good for port dev tho 00:47:18 or if you compile a lot of ports 00:47:24 cpet: I watch things compile 00:47:31 I watched buildworld 00:47:32 weirdo 00:47:36 for most of the 6 hours 00:47:47 i have a scrip that just says Compilg X - Done 00:47:55 boring 00:48:01 dont you like looking like a hacker >:) 00:48:09 thats not how you look like a hacker 00:48:23 lol 00:48:34 nah I was kidding 00:48:38 I just like how it looks 00:48:40 bullshit you were 00:48:48 -_- 00:48:52 some people like to do it i dont 00:48:58 tmux new compile args 00:49:01 go one with day 00:49:06 wait for an email saying your sht broke 00:49:17 when I follow the instructions webcam -l does not show up in the list 00:49:18 the more text on my terminal, the more enjoyment I get :P 00:49:32 sixpiece: likely upsupported 00:49:33 sixpiece: did you run webcamd 00:49:43 if you can extract the device info from dmesg it could be useful :) 00:49:50 I would check dmesg lists it first 00:49:52 thats step 1 00:49:55 jesus he watches dmesg as well 00:50:02 cpet: dmesg is useful ffs 00:50:06 hah 00:50:12 everything you need is usually in dmesg 00:50:19 my msg buf is full of log in vain shit 00:50:26 cpet yes I tried to run webcamd it doesn't work 00:50:32 maybe restarting will help? 00:50:36 sixpiece: which webcam is this ? 00:50:42 it's on my laptopp 00:50:49 again which webcam is this 00:51:04 if you dont know your hardware well 00:51:27 but it theory if webcamd doent find anything you should just give up cause its probably not suported 00:51:45 you will learn thats one of the issues with freebsd top of the line isn't good 00:52:11 which is why im surprised this new mini PC worked fine with freebsd with the exception of the ethernet card which required the driver from ports 00:52:20 other than that and the issue with the cable works like a champ 00:52:32 im not a fan on intels E core and P core crap but hey 00:52:47 cpet: I would still suggest reading dmesg as step 1 00:52:49 xD 00:53:14 [769951] TCP: [185.156.73.182]:44276 to [69.92.116.218]:15356 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input_with_port: Connection attempt to closed port 00:53:18 [770067] TCP: [88.210.63.191]:47999 to [69.92.116.218]:15459 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input_with_port: Connection attempt to closed port 00:53:21 ok 00:53:29 not that shit, the boot part lol 00:53:41 oh whatever, you handle this im off to bed 00:53:41 oh you have to be specfic man 00:53:45 ugen0.3: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=ON (500mA) 00:54:05 right so freebsd does at least see the hardware 00:54:33 cpet I don't want to paste too much and my webserver is also down having a lot of freebsd issues now but the laptop looks very promising 00:55:01 so the issues will resolve themselves but for example my freebsd server is also down 00:55:11 sixpiece: you are running webcamd as root or as a user in the group right 00:55:21 I tried as both 00:55:22 sixpiece: see if service devd restart does anything 00:55:30 well then its likley unsupported 00:55:35 I think I tried that 00:56:02 you think? 00:56:21 submit an issue to bugzilla giving the dmesg output, and the webcamd output 00:56:29 giving the laptop you are using as well might help 00:56:52 do you have cuse running ? 00:56:55 ok sounds good 00:56:57 er loaded 00:57:04 topic something like "webcamd unable to detect integrated camera on x laptop" 00:57:19 and then wait a few years :p 00:57:38 sometimes you just have to buy a logitech one 00:58:02 the issue with laptops is they are basically un by software within software 00:58:24 and msot of that software is either prop or weirdly licensed 00:59:20 I don't have a bugzilla account but I guess I will go through that process 01:00:09 https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=uvc&sektion=4&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+15.0-RELEASE+and+Ports 01:00:14 i dont see your card here 01:02:40 sixpiece: are you in the webcamd user ? 01:02:51 cpet: I used to watch lol 01:02:58 JetpackJackson: jesus you as well? 01:03:24 Keyword "used to" 01:03:32 but you did 01:04:20 do you guys get popcorn and watch it like you would Halloween? 01:04:31 run off when you see compiler errors ? 01:05:45 Nah I would sit and wait in case of error 01:05:47 sixpiece: id username to find out 01:05:59 JetpackJackson: i pipe it to mail and then just wait for a email 01:06:18 Yo foo your shit is borked, fix it and fir it now! 01:06:33 I should figure out how that works 01:06:43 Unixy mail stuff always seems cool 01:06:52 Even though I use Thunderbird lmao 01:06:54 only way to go 01:07:00 old school by using sendmail 01:07:07 and learning m4 01:07:11 which is confusing as hell 01:07:11 Oh m4 01:07:18 Haven't heard that in ages 01:07:35 What man page do I read for mail stuff 01:07:44 man mail? 01:07:46 I actually enjoy the fbsd man pages 01:07:50 Epic thanks 01:07:54 apropos mail 01:08:03 google mail freebsd 01:08:23 chatgpt why is the nastalgic use of mail on unix still popular 01:08:42 Lol 01:09:13 See I pay for mail but now I wanna host my own mail server 01:09:23 JetpackJackson: it easier to just use opensmtpd its one line tog et email going 01:09:46 JetpackJackson: i woudnt bother email is such a pain to setup these days 01:09:54 you have to setup DKIM DMARC SPF 01:09:56 I had configs for notmuch and neomutt and stuff 01:10:00 cpet: true 01:10:14 sometimes even request a whitelisting on the big guys 01:10:22 and if you have a shity ISP like you do 01:10:28 i really doubt port 25 is even open 01:10:49 So it'll send mail to my email right? 01:10:50 so you would have to do some magic to forward to a different port 01:11:11 i personally wouldnt bother but i guess in regards to learning 01:11:17 Or is there like some local mail program that reads some sort of email file 01:11:31 Nah I don't need to host my own email lol 01:11:35 It's too much 01:11:55 you can use fetchmail if its still around or getmail 01:12:17 or you can setup sendmail or opensmtpd to proxy to your ISP's email server 01:12:53 I think I used smtp something or other 01:13:01 i cant use any of those with proton mail 01:13:12 Have you tried hydroxide? 01:13:15 there fancy bridge doesnt work on linux (that well) 01:13:19 I used it for a bit 01:13:28 Oh wait idk if it works on bsd 01:13:32 Oops 01:13:37 Linux brained moment 01:13:49 im sure its possible 01:13:56 What email client do you use for mail 01:14:08 the issue with LInux is most dev will make the program only run on Linux vs making it portable 01:14:30 a lot of times sending patches will get a we only support linux so i just dont use it 01:14:40 this is the case with Enlightenment 01:14:44 Ah 01:15:07 Maybe I should set up notmuch again 01:15:19 Or configure Thunderbird to use mbox or smth 01:15:20 Idk 01:15:36 theres way to many programs that do the same crap as the older ones do 01:15:52 Im sleepy and I get sleepy-brained computer ideas 01:15:54 Wdym 01:16:02 Like mail and stuff? 01:16:06 redefning the tree doesnt really help perfect exmaple is sudo-r its not even a year old and already has some pretty nasty CVE's 01:16:17 Yeah 01:16:24 I just use doas 01:16:35 i use doas on openbsd sudo on freebsd 01:21:02 cpet yes I am sorry I was working on setting up fetchmail and mail to be able to send the request to bugzilla 01:21:07 cpet: oh interesting 01:21:25 cpet I am going to go to the grocery to get food before it closes 01:21:46 I don't have anything to eat and I need time there's ice on teh car etc.. 01:22:40 thank you cpet as well be back in around an hour or so if you're still available mostly everything on the laptop is working great and I think it will be just checking the details obviously this has saved the computer 01:23:08 and I would like to make it perform at its fullest if possible and I will need help to get my server up and running again as well 01:23:17 see you in around an hour 01:28:57 ok 01:35:05 o\ 01:36:49 hi 01:38:05 off-topic but it's fckin sunday: https://i.ibb.co/dJtXj3Xz/test.jpg <-- can someone please tell me why this doesn't work, but works fine wtihout the square root? that's obviously wolfram alpha since it wasn't in the capture 01:40:18 heh mathway just says solution graph 02:14:16 wife: "im going out in 5 minutes, make sure ur redy" . /me sets timer for 25 minutes <-- this is tonight's experiment 02:14:19 i got graphs 2 02:16:04 good luck 02:51:08 Matt|home: i see too many mistakes with that 02:52:23 i would just get ready and play the PS5 until shes ready as its to unpredictable on how long she will take, you arent going to win so why bother 02:57:10 ls 02:57:16 ls -a 03:26:48 I have to say "pkg" on 15 feels much snappier. Could be the 10G fiber line I'm now on but whatever, I'm happier! Well done folks 03:58:58 Probably the fast internet helps. 04:39:27 lots of changes were done with pkg 04:39:37 too bad we dont have fiber here 04:40:39 crb: could always join the 15+ email question on why we have clang in base and its not used with ports heh 04:41:40 i have both gcc13 and clang19 installed 04:52:09 exit 04:57:17 cpet: that depends on the program in the ports 05:02:27 voy4g3r2: yeap 05:09:05 how to import legacy pool before fstab? 05:09:19 zfs does not use fstab 05:09:49 zfs detects the fs is zfs and mounts it 05:10:43 mountpoint=none 05:11:45 zfs import yada yada 05:12:00 you use zpool to import a pool 05:12:44 how to import legacy pool before fstab? 05:12:54 zfs does not use fstab 05:14:50 fstab 05:14:50 # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# 05:14:50 /dev/ada0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 05:14:50 zroot/usr /usr zfs rw 0 0 05:15:08 well that could be why it doesnt work 05:15:14 cause that not how its done 05:15:34 # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# 05:15:34 /dev/gpt/efiboot0 /boot/efi msdosfs rw 2 2 05:15:37 /dev/nda0p3 none swap sw 0 0 05:15:40 /dev/nda1p3 none swap sw 0 0 05:15:49 do you see any fstab mount options in there ? 05:16:12 NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM 05:16:12 tank ONLINE 0 0 0 05:16:12 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 05:16:12 nda0p4 ONLINE 0 0 0 05:16:12 nda1p4 ONLINE 0 0 0 05:17:28 I need to import legacy pool before fstab 05:17:48 lets just keep repating it 05:17:57 why? 05:18:00 why before fstab? 05:18:23 set a mount point ad i am sure it will get mounted 05:18:46 zfs does it own thing as long as there are mount set it will mount them 05:19:17 think someones else was having some import issues he fx them by changing the mounts 05:19:17 Chip1972, Why do you need to import the pool before fstab? If you put the dataset's name in fstab are you getting errors because the pool seems not to exist? 05:19:20 because the boot crash and goto shell, because cant find zroot/usr 05:19:42 figure out why it crashed 05:19:46 have you already added zfs_enable="YES" to rc.conf? 05:19:57 yes 05:20:35 in the single user shell do you see the pool when you run `zpool list`? 05:21:00 my understanding of zfs is that mountpoint=none cannot be mounted, mountpoint=legacy can be mounted using mount -t zfs 05:21:22 yeap 05:21:48 however if the pool is in a inconsistent state it wount mount either 05:22:45 how using 'mount -t zfs' before fstab? 05:23:25 you don't; fstab uses the same mechanism as mount -t zfs 05:23:28 in theory single user mode only mounts / 05:23:39 so if you dont mount / the system wont even boot 05:23:44 so your before ftab makes no sense 05:24:34 how run ANY command before fstab? 05:24:56 ... that's advanced administrator stuff, you shouldn't need to do that under normal circumstances 05:25:07 does it show mountpoint=none or mountpoint=legacy when you do `zfs get mountpoint zroot/usr` 05:25:14 if it is mountpoint=none then the dataset cannot be mounted 05:25:23 Chip1972: single-user mode 05:26:12 ek: its ok man 05:26:13 I mounted with boot iso 05:26:49 ek, Chip is unable to successfully start a system because /usr from a ZFS pool is not mountable 05:27:14 should still be able to single user boot 05:27:41 now if he messed up his pool well its a simple format and reinstall youre .. 05:28:36 how run ANY command before fstab? like 'zpool import zroot'... 05:28:41 dewd 05:28:45 3 people have told you 05:28:54 stop repating the same thing over and over 05:29:16 you don't. 05:29:26 Trying to catch up here. But, why is single-user mode not acceptable? Commands for mount should work given the correct commands are provided. 05:29:35 it is acceptable 05:29:42 i think Chip1972 is a bot really heh 05:30:02 ek, single user mode should be acceptable, in order to complete troubleshooting tasks 05:30:07 well I can always follow MelMalik advice 05:30:29 how run "echo hello world" command before fstab? 05:30:50 one does not do that. 05:31:00 do what ? 05:31:11 can you describe what did before you encountered the problem 05:31:20 correction: can you describe what you did before you encountered the problem 05:31:27 MelMalik: some people are just a lost cause really 05:31:53 did the system once boot successfully, and now doesn't, and what did you change in between those two states? 05:32:42 ek: :( 05:33:31 I copied /usr to zroot/usr mounted in mnt/usr with compression=zstd 05:34:05 what does one do to crash the system to the point of it failing 05:34:09 sounds like HW to me 05:36:04 the system boot without "zroot/usr /usr zfs rw 0 0" in fstab 05:39:38 /etc/rc.conf run before fstab? 05:40:45 right, so you added that line to fstab 05:41:31 /etc/rc.conf is read before fstab, otherwise `zfs_enable="YES"` wouldn't do anything useful 05:41:53 Why do you have any zroot mounting happening in fstab? Are you using an actual zroot setup? You shouldn't need anything in fstab for zroot mounts. 05:42:07 ek, This isn't zroot, it's /usr on ZFS with / on UFS. 05:42:21 Treat the word «zroot» here as an opaque string. 05:42:35 ek: some people are just a lost cause man 05:43:20 how to add 'zpool import zroot' to /etc/rc.conf? 05:43:25 you DON'T. 05:43:35 that's not how this is done 05:43:50 Chip1972: Well, I'm still very confused, but you could add that command to /etc/rc.local? 05:44:02 ek, would be too late for /etc/fstab, as /etc/rc.local is run after mounts 05:44:17 I mean, there has to be a better answer to all of this (again, a lot to scroll through here). 05:44:49 What is /usr (as mounted by ZFS afterwards) doing that would require pre-rc.conf? 05:45:04 Is this a full /usr directory that isn't being mounted? 05:45:11 Or is this a /usr/home thing? 05:45:32 ek, Correct. This is the full /usr directory that isn't being mounted because the pool isn't imported when rc runs mount -a 05:45:42 full /usr directory 05:46:35 Chip came in with an XY problem. I did not want to front load that because not only would they not understand, if they did understand they'd be quite rightly insulted. When I come across an X-Y problem I go straight to trying to backtrack and figure out what the X is, without initially mentioning that I think it's X-Y. 05:47:16 Okay. So, this is not a root on ZFS system? Just ZFS being used outside of UFS for /usr only? 05:47:45 The X is «I'm trying to move my /usr directory to a ZFS pool (root remains on UFS however) but the system is failing to boot because the zfs pool isn't imported by the time /etc/fstab is processed.» 05:48:55 how 'zpool import zroot' before rc runs mount -a 05:49:03 So, I'm not quite sure this is a possible scenario as UFS will be used for booting which would require /usr (base libs and such) to be available before the ZFS FS is available. 05:49:43 Chip1972: Not possible. You'll need to either leave /usr on UFS for the system to properly boot, or migrate to a root-on-ZFS system. 05:50:21 i like ek's "not possible" 05:50:22 However, you *CAN* move certain things from /usr to a ZFS mountpount/dataset as long as it isn't required by base to boot. 05:51:15 For example, if you're just trying to place /usr/somedir into a ZFS ENV, that would be fine. Or /usr/home. But, /usr/lib, /usr/libexec, /usr/local/anything-at-all will need to remain available on UFS for boot. 05:51:17 i worked with /usr/local 05:53:09 so I lost two weeks for nothing 05:53:41 Chip1972: As a FBSD standard, most *local* is not considered "base". So, /usr/local will likely be fine to be mounted after boot. However, /usr itself (/usr/bin, /usr/sbin, etc...) will be require to boot. 05:54:21 Chip1972: Unfortunately, it sounds that way. Sorry. :( 05:57:44 its possibke to link /usr to /zroot/usr? 05:58:24 no 06:06:03 Chip1972: /usr cannot be excluded from the boot filesystem. It simply will not work with FBSD. 06:06:34 If your boot FS is UFS, /usr must remain as part of the / boot UFS FS. It cannot be separated. 06:07:12 However, /usr/chip1972 *CAN* be divided from /uar as a separate FS via ZFS. 06:07:30 But, /usr as a whole cannot. 06:10:12 if zroot is imported normally, so /zroot/usr is available for boot 06:12:10 If you're using root on ZFS, yes. 06:12:19 I was told you are not? 06:13:22 I will try here 06:13:57 But, /usr isn't a separate mount by default with root on ZFS. /usr is part of / which is mounted by zroot/ROOT/default 06:14:49 While I applaud your effort to get this to work, I don't think it'll be possible given your current setup. 06:15:02 I wish you the best of luck, though! 06:16:18 my understanding is that the zfs tools don't require anything from /usr. to make what chip is happening happen I would hypothetically want to start modifying /etc/rc itself. I've not touched that part of the boot process in a long time though 06:16:27 er, to make what chip wants to make happen happen 06:16:31 ek: ? 06:17:57 Well, if the base system doesn't exist during boot (Ex: /usr) it simply isn't going to be bootable. And, there is no way to have ZFS kick in and mount a pool before the base system is booted. 06:18:38 That's just my logic, though. Perhaps there is a magic workaround somewhere under the rainbow out there. 06:18:51 If there is, I certainly can't fathom it. 06:19:20 no magic required. if the zfs tools require something from /usr, they won't work, and this whole endeavor is doomed to fail; if they don't, they will work. 06:20:30 some silliness with `ldd` suggests that at least /sbin/zpool and /sbin/zfs do not require anything from /usr, if the only problem is libraries 06:20:31 you can mount modules in the loader 06:21:21 MelMalik: Yes. That is understandable. But, there is no way to ZFS import/mount before the OS is loaded. The OS itself requires /usr. 06:21:22 however, the ZFS fault management daemon is in /usr/sbin 06:21:48 So, /usr will not be available to boot the OS successfully in order to use /sbin tools. 06:22:05 most tools are avail in rescue 06:23:05 This is a chicken/egg problem. In this case, the egg is coming before the chicken. I cannot think of a way to boot FBSD without /usr in the available boot FS. 06:25:19 im not following this whole freebsd cant boot without /usr 06:26:20 Academic question: has anyone here - don't answer this one, ek - ever run separate /usr, both / and /usr on UFS? 06:26:52 yeap 06:27:02 back when zfs wasnt so cool 06:27:04 My understanding is that in olden times, enough was on /-except-/usr to mount /usr, if it was on a different volume. That may not be true with FreeBSD today, but as I said, academic question, not of practical import here. 06:27:16 i always liked having seprate slices for things 06:36:13 o\ 06:36:37 still uses zsf? 06:36:43 ilooked into writing my own uh 06:36:55 brain work no bad today 06:37:02 zsf - the fs part 06:37:11 minus the z part** 06:37:13 you mean zfs ? 06:37:41 wow... zroot just vanished.... 06:37:59 im going to rephrase what i say and pretend sobriety exists: one of my projects was looking into writing my own file system, and i wasn't sure what the benefits of zfs were at the time over other systems 06:38:06 not a singl typeo :D 06:38:22 iirc redundancy was what maked it popular 06:40:10 00:38 < Matt|home> not a singl typeo :D 06:41:08 MelMalik: In the past, having different mount points was somewhat standard (as it still is today), but they weren't terrible separate from the mounting file system. You can still easy specify different mount points today. Should be a problem as long as everything is available at boot time. 06:41:10 yeah don't mind me , 60mg of morphine and im feelin pretty goodbetter~ just tired. but ya does fbsd still use zfs? 06:41:48 yeap 06:42:12 Matt|home: There are many things that ZFS offers to make it a good FS. Redundancy is certainly a plus, but not the only thing. 06:42:26 any particular reason/ ? i had a hard time dealing with openbsd a few months ago trying to get a headless setup and the fs was a huge problem -_- 06:42:41 whats wrong with ffs ? 06:42:59 I thought this was a good article. Especially coming from XDA: https://www.xda-developers.com/reasons-zfs-is-the-best-filesystem-for-nas/ 06:43:23 oh it was just a problem, i forget the details but iric it had to do with transfering stuff via flash drive. fat32 was the only comptaible system 06:44:33 that wasn't the only time ive had probelms with fs cmopatibilty across devices frankly speaking.. so i really should read more up on them, never got a chance to last time. can't tell you the number of times i had to wipe a damn flash drive reformat it and pray it worked that time -_- 06:45:09 thank u ek 06:45:19 ill read it when i can 06:47:56 super off topic but anyone else really like philly cheesesteaks? it's been a while since i had a great one and today i was pleasantly surprised with something halfway decnt. fam hates it for whatever reason ;_; 06:49:55 Matt|home: Just had a Philly Cheesesteak the other day during a big snow. Was amazing. 06:50:14 If you like meat, a Philly Cheesesteak is a great sandwich. 06:50:20 <3 personla opinion: yellow mustard = requirement 06:50:54 I'm somewhat partial to wiz, honestly. 06:51:03 wiz? 06:51:09 I'd be okay with mustard as well. 06:51:28 dijon mustard 06:51:39 wiz = Cheez Whiz. 06:51:44 dijok's great but i liove yellow 4 cheese. oh ew ;_; 06:51:51 ew.. well im glad u enjoy but ew lol 06:52:04 Fake cheese sauce. It's a staple of a "real" Philly Cheesesteak. 06:52:26 are you one of those people who make yuk sounds when you dont like things ? 06:52:31 i got a hankering to make my own now.. beef and chicken are stupid expensive 06:52:34 Matt|home: You'd be surprised how good it is! Everything is worth a try. 06:52:52 eh, im ok with trying new things. just p stubborn bout foods 06:52:53 fake cheese is bad cheese 06:53:26 sadly fam is not :p i like beef & other meat belogs on ground, they like sushi and seafood and stuff 06:53:30 I agree. A Philly is the only thing I ever eat it on. If "wiz" is an option, I'm gettin' it. 06:53:44 cheese wiz is nasty as fuck 06:54:05 i've had it a long time ago i think, i honestly don't remember what it is tasted 06:54:09 Again, I agree. I'd never eat it on anything other than a Philly. 06:54:15 remeber guys so we dont upset the topic people add freebsd every now and then after the non topic stuff 06:54:21 but i mean it's canned cheese and i eat that canned parm when $$ factors in so ya 06:54:34 It's basically like a salty Kraft singles "cheese". 06:54:45 eww kraft singles arent even cheese 06:54:46 u brought up the philly tho ;_; 06:54:47 wtf ek 06:55:18 Matt|home: just saying 06:55:19 I use Kraft singles all the time when I grill my FBSD USB sticks. 06:55:27 there we go man 06:55:42 * cpet hands ek a beer 06:56:04 Matt|home: Actually, you brought up the Philly Cheesesteak sandwiches. lol 06:56:06 i buy authentic cheddar 06:56:21 i'll take ur word for it, 06:56:28 if you continue to have reading comprehension issues youll summon o0x1eef 06:56:40 we dont want that ;/ 06:56:47 uh 06:56:48 I just eat cheese. You know, like a 'Merican. 06:56:54