01:24:01 Macer: It was something to do with the machine not releasing the existing DHCP lease, and coming back up with the drive in a weird state. 02:20:07 If I get an Ethernet to WiFi adapter, would that connection be affected by https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve#Q:_Why_can.27t_I_network_VMs_over_a_wireless_host_interface.3F ? 02:26:13 JetpackJackson: what are trying to do ? 02:26:42 the vm is supposed to use the host as a proxy for internet stuff 02:27:49 the host can use WIFI/cable to connect... the vm doesnt need to use wifi 03:02:57 Right but my host only has WiFi and I can't use host WiFi for guest internet 03:03:46 So if I can somehow make the Ethernet adapter show the WiFi connection as a wired one, would it work for VMs? 03:13:06 hernan604: have you updated yet ? 03:22:47 JetpackJackson: wifi protocol (802.11) can't do bridged connections, only NAT, so if you need to have VMs you'll be out of luck on that. Then there's workarounds (which I have not tested) involving virtual interfaces and portforwarding to services on the VM. 03:24:15 Ah. Shucks. At least I can USB tether with my phone for now then, cause that works 03:24:34 Thanks for the explanation 03:51:45 vortexx: Is there something definitive to read about that? Second time I've seen someone asking about this recently and I'd love to find a definitive answer as to why it doesn't work. 03:53:09 what virtualization platform is the guy using? 03:53:22 I can do bridged on wifi iface perfactly fine in vbox 04:35:27 bhyve 04:35:45 virtualbox is a whole different beast 04:35:45 Hi FreeBSD'ers. 04:36:15 hi 04:37:42 i managed to get vm-bhyve and bastille working 04:37:51 but now I forgot what I did to make it work 04:46:52 + 04:49:40 ++ 06:15:40 interesting how theres an active community in regards to CDE 08:06:50 Trying out 14.3-RELEASE, but struggling to get my AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT to work with amdgpu and X. drm-510-kmod freezes the system on kldload amdgpu and drm-61-kmod results in a kernel panic. I have not used FreeBSD since ~2010, so any pointers are welcome. 08:09:20 Probably what is happening is that the binary kernel module is from ports and it is out of sync with the kernel which is in base. That's a continuing problem with FreeBSD. Recently there has been an effort to produce them more in sync. But those being out of sync sounds like your problem. 08:10:26 Cheers, will dig up build instructions and get cracking. 08:12:50 Quick check, stepping up to 16.0-CURRENT or 15.0-STABLE will likely not help the situation, correct? 08:13:31 I have a system that uses the amd radeon module on 14.3-RELEASE. I have installed drm-61-kmod-6.1.128.1403000_6 and am looking to see the associated version of the radeon module. Because it's working for me. 08:13:56 I heard someone else with the same problem on 15 I think yesterday so no probably won't help. 08:14:18 I have had that problem myself with the radeon module before and that's why I know about it. 08:14:51 Got it. I saw hints about it online, but mostly posts from a few years back and related to them being out of sync close to release. 08:15:11 Building from source is hardly scary though, just requires a wee bit of reading. 08:15:22 i always build drm-kmod from sources 08:15:45 I also think that now by default the FreeBSD-kmods repository is now included and the plan is that it will always be in sync with the current kernel. But sometimes there are build failures. 08:16:11 For example right now chromium failed to build and so isn't available until that build failure is debbugged, fixed, and the net build run completed. 08:16:52 Sometimes switching from Quarterly to Latest works because Latest was able to build when Quarterly failed. And sometimes the reverse. It all depends. 08:17:50 It looks like drm-61-kmod build okay though: https://www.freshports.org/graphics/drm-61-kmod/ 08:18:16 So maybe I have missed the diagnosis and that is not the problem. 08:18:45 Could also be that things are borked for my card in source of course. But I have booted a FreeBSD about a year ago from a live CD on the same machine, so in that case it is a regression. 08:19:46 Will report back after a bit more digging. 08:20:19 My other desktop machine is an HP t740 using the amdgpu raven module and it is 14.3-RELEASE and it is running X okay right now for me. 08:21:40 Looks like that one installed drm-61-kmod-6.1.128.1403000_7 and gpu-firmware-kmod-20241114,1 for reference. 08:21:50 ACK 08:26:47 I was trying to avoid the "works for me" when I have an older installation and you are trying to install fresh. Because one of the things that happen is if it isn't available in the repository but I already have an older version installed then it might work for me with the older version and not on a fresh install. 08:26:55 Such as the chromium problem right now. I have the previous build but the current build of it has failed. https://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ 08:27:40 But at the same time encourage that it can work because it's working for me. Maybe what I said made some sense. It's too late here. I should crash. Good night all! 08:32:01 TL;DR: FreeBSD 15.0 pkgbase repo signing keys are hosted on AWS KMS controlled by Release Engineering. Backup keys are held by the Security Officer. 08:32:23 that feels a bit surprising 08:32:24 Sweet dreams! Booting into FreeBSD now to get building. Will probably reinstall from scratch just to get everything into a clean state for easier debugging. 09:32:35 No dice and have to handle some other matters. Built from source and I get the same kernel panic, so I suspect this is my specific card having issues rather than being the kernel and kernel module diverging. 09:33:12 hi\ 09:33:14 hi 09:33:36 upgrading to 15.0-RELEASE from 14.3 p5 :) 09:35:10 fingers crossed! 09:36:00 what is world/base-dbg world/lib32-dbg ???? 13:26:38 I had to drop my laptop memory down to 4GB 13:26:43 I didn't realise firefox uses like 2GB of memory now 13:26:49 I dont even have many tabs open, this is insane 13:27:18 theres already a hefty amount of page swapping 13:55:49 I've found that Firefox memory usage consistently increases. Now, what part of that is page memory leaks and what part of that is Firefox itself, I don't the fuck know. But yea 14:03:36 I haven't checked recently, but I distinctly remember that 3 years or so ago, Firefox would show up in top(1) as using more VM than my computer had RAM+swap. 14:05:56 It always shows up as using hundreds of gigabytes of virtual memory for us. 14:56:09 polarian: firefox definitely chews up virtual memory, `about:memory` has been illuminating for me recently. On a intel lunar lake laptop I have it is solely responsible for pushing disk I/O in a way that slows down the whole machine v_v 15:00:21 Posterdati: those are debug symbols for world/base and world/lib32 15:44:15 https://bpa.st/XSOQ 15:44:17 I wonder what caused this 15:50:51 polarian, i9xx is shared memory video. . . have you booted that machine with a memtest86 ISO? 15:51:10 s/video/video\ controller 15:52:20 CrtxReavr: I just swapped out the dimm 15:52:23 lol 15:52:38 That fix it? 15:52:38 good chance it could also have been due to out of memory 15:52:54 CrtxReavr: no I mean, this occured within maybe 15 mins of swapping dimms 15:53:01 I took my good set to test another laptop 15:53:06 stuck its 4GB stick into my main laptop 15:53:15 Whenever I see "Fence" in logs, I think of that Red Hat clustering thing. 15:53:26 with firefox open 4GB is not a lot of memory 15:53:46 considering the gpu I assume needs to share a certain amount (not sure how to see how much it uses) I wouldn't be surprised if firefox is starving it 15:53:55 Maybe hit craigslist and find a better laptop? That thing must be old AF. 15:54:13 I daily drive a E6430 flashed with libreboot 15:54:17 with freebsd 15:54:19 xorg 15:54:21 i3 15:54:26 same dotfiles as I have used for many years 15:55:06 issue with older laptops is finding high capacity memory is difficult, and £££ 15:55:25 2-4GB dimms are rather cheap, but 8GB are much more expensive, and 16GB are gold dust 15:56:51 I've always found that old memory always costs disproportionally more than newer memory does. 15:57:23 Also harder to trust old (used) memory. 16:12:16 hello 16:12:37 i'm having issues, trying to setup a debian vm with vm-bhyve 16:13:04 i'm probably doing something wrong because i can't get the network working 16:13:57 what did you do 16:19:42 i'm restarting my server, so i can share my cfg files 16:24:20 did you create a bridge with `vm switch` ? 16:24:26 yeah 16:24:54 i tried couple things, like creating and using a vm switch, or using the bridge im currently using for my VNET jails 16:25:03 some info about my current setup 16:25:08 https://paste.c3p1.net/?8570450c45e2bbcc#2s4y2eEbBHcn9oSh32zbCjJqTcyeNJodRK2LX98mhY3K 16:27:46 hrm 16:28:45 do packets come onto the bridge (tcpdump) from the vm? 16:32:30 nope 16:51:45 oh, i think its working 17:23:52 yay 17:24:25 i managed a debian install, but there was a grub issue on the reboot. i'm currently trying to install from network opensuse, that was my initial goal 17:54:51 hm. that's odd.. zfs-2.4.0-rc4-FreeBSD_g099f69ff5 (after installing 15.0-RELEASE 17:55:01 did zfs just not make it in time for RELEASE? 18:14:18 cpet: did you ever get orca slicer to build? Trying to build it and got cmake to configure it (using prusa port as a guide) and now it's trying to pull Linux hidapi stuff 18:15:05 Although, I guess I can just install it on my Linux PC 18:21:55 I tried prusa but its very different and relies on x11 so niri can't do it (xwayland crashes in niri on freebsd for some reason) so I would have to try KDE or something but my testing laptop is underpowered 18:22:16 Idk but I did get the media server running with FreeBSD no issue 19:26:06 $ pkg info |grep zfs 19:26:07 FreeBSD-zfs-15.0 ZFS filesystem support 19:26:14 Macer: eh 20:09:50 JetpackJackson: i gave up when I realized will I ever use this and said no 20:09:54 JetpackJackson: :P 20:10:03 Ah 20:10:05 Fair