00:42:09 <v01d> what's up world
01:04:04 <V_PauAmma_V> The ceiling.
01:05:57 <mjp> the firmament
01:07:48 <v01d> mine is leaking
01:08:05 <v01d> it rain inside
01:12:22 <JetpackJackson> v01d: nothing much
01:13:20 <v01d> yeah me too
01:14:51 <JetpackJackson> I mean I did get bhyve working (with help) so that was cool
01:14:57 <JetpackJackson> Also busy IRL too
01:16:17 <v01d> nice what a rolling on you're bhyve
01:16:53 <v01d> ?
01:21:24 <cpet> slackware, openbsd, netbsd, windows 11, cachy os, and Solaris
01:23:54 <scottpedia> cpet: zup
01:30:44 <v01d> Slackware?
01:31:02 <scottpedia> cpet: hey man
01:33:22 <JetpackJackson> v01d: just arch and alpine so far
01:33:50 <v01d> nice
01:34:37 <v01d> I did know Slackware was still up
01:34:41 <v01d> not
01:35:01 <v01d> how is alpine
01:35:05 <v01d> ?
01:36:33 <JetpackJackson> It's nice!
01:36:58 <JetpackJackson> Oh I should do a chimera VM so I can keep up on the packages I maintain for them
01:44:37 <JetpackJackson> Is there a way to set a shared folder like in qemu? In my qemu chimera VM I have a folder configured so that I run 'mount -t virtiofs shared chimera' and it mounts my cports repo in ~/shared
01:46:12 <v01d> man... goguma keep disconnecting itself I have to figure out how to set soju
01:46:20 <v01d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_T-HBQH2tI
01:54:23 <cpet> ircing from your phone I see
02:02:27 <v01d> cost:: D
02:03:07 <v01d> cpet: :D
02:03:46 <v01d> ok wait I'll connect to Weechat on my bsd
02:13:21 <v01d> well it seem I'll have to stick with my phone for now I have an issue I can't resolve for now cause a service upon wich I depend is currently down
02:22:52 <JetpackJackson> Man going thru old hardware makes me happy and sad at the same time
02:23:03 <JetpackJackson> Like we just dug out these:
02:23:15 <JetpackJackson> https://share.katzenmue.de:9270/file_share/06927b60-984c-72e8-baaa-fd008e92fdf2/20251126_211120.jpg
02:23:34 <JetpackJackson> But the drivers for them don't exist anymore so the modular parts don't work to switch the mappings :(
02:26:47 <JetpackJackson> Oh.... This would have saved me time earlier: https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve#Q:_Why_can.27t_I_network_VMs_over_a_wireless_host_interface.3F
02:29:40 <JetpackJackson> But back to the shared folder thing, is there a way I can configure that for a guest?
02:30:02 <cpet> virtio_9p
02:31:35 <cpet> that same page has a howto on how to do that
02:31:42 <cpet> however works on 15.0
02:31:43 <JetpackJackson> Oh
02:31:50 <JetpackJackson> Oops thank you
02:31:51 <JetpackJackson> I'll try that
02:32:38 <rtprio> what is the repo switch from 14 to 15 to 16 in pkgbase?
02:32:51 <cpet> repo switch ?
02:33:30 <rtprio> url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_release_3",  what does base_release_3 even mean
02:34:15 <rtprio> or if i'm in pkgbase in 14.3, how do i upgrade to 15
02:34:16 <cpet> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/
02:34:25 <cpet> doesnt show a _3
02:34:40 <cpet> freebsd-update
02:35:35 <rtprio> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64/base_release_3/
02:36:12 <cpet> pkgbage isnt really supported in 14.3
02:36:41 <rtprio> aww nuts
02:36:55 <cpet> the focus is on 15.0
02:37:04 <cpet> plus 15.0 is due out on Dec 2nd
02:37:13 <rtprio> so do i fudge the ABI and yolo it
02:39:18 <rtprio> i guess i could roll it back, upgrade to 15 and then pkgbaseify
02:40:13 <cpet> pkgbase is just freebsd packaged into pkg packages
02:40:23 <cpet> you really arent missing out in anything that is critical
02:40:28 <cpet> that cant wait until the release
02:41:11 <rtprio> i know what pkgbase is
02:42:36 <cpet> you could create a 14 jail
02:42:48 <cpet> and then use pkgsify in it and see if it "works"
02:42:53 <cpet> i dont think it will but hey
02:43:36 <rtprio> well, it worked
02:43:50 <rtprio> for 14.3
02:43:56 <rtprio> but what i'm asking is how i update to 15
02:44:08 <cpet> google is hard isnt it
02:44:32 <cpet> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/
02:45:00 <cpet> freebsd-update -r 15.0-RELEASE upgrade
02:45:15 <cpet> howevr 15.0-RELEASE isnt out yet so
02:45:24 <cpet> it will remove your system rather than install it
02:48:09 <rtprio> freebsd-update doesn't work in pkgbase, unless some miracle occured yesterday
02:48:35 <cpet> pkg upgrade
02:48:41 <cpet> after enabling pkgbase
02:49:05 <rtprio> that doesn't switch to 15
02:49:57 <rtprio> Processing candidates (517 candidates): 100%
02:49:57 <rtprio> Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
02:50:00 <rtprio> Your packages are up to date.
02:50:45 <rtprio> pkg -o ABI=FreeBSD:15:amd64 update -f && pkg -o ABI=FreeBSD:15:amd64 upgrade -f
02:50:53 <cpet> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/usr.sbin/pkg/FreeBSD.conf.latest?h=releng/15.0
02:50:58 <cpet> add the bottom line
02:51:56 <rtprio> it's already there jackass, it's _already_ using pkgbase
02:52:27 <cpet> who the fuck are you calling a jack ass when im the only one here trying to help you
03:02:34 <JetpackJackson> I'm gonna have to try the 9p shares tmrw for my VMS. I'm really liking bhyve. Its so clean and sensible
03:04:38 <JetpackJackson> Uhm I have no comment on the stuff going on right now
03:06:03 <hodapp> ...VMS?
03:06:06 <hodapp> what year is it?
03:06:19 <cpet> hodapp: you can still play with openvms
03:06:58 <cpet> ssh menu⊙tso
03:07:06 <cpet> openvms multics
03:07:07 <JetpackJackson> vms
03:07:18 <JetpackJackson> Sorry phone auto capitalization
03:07:25 <cpet> think BSD is in there as well
03:08:01 <JetpackJackson> s/my VMS/my bhyve virtual machines
03:08:20 <hodapp> cpet: whooooaaaaaa
03:08:45 <cpet> may be slow as the server has a load of like 64
03:09:03 <JetpackJackson> Oh interesting
03:09:12 <JetpackJackson> I should play around with that tmrw
03:09:21 <JetpackJackson> And maybe a Solaris vm
03:09:22 <JetpackJackson> Idk
03:09:39 <JetpackJackson> Brain likes retro/old computery stuff
03:09:43 <cpet> Solaris runs slow as hell on x86 HW but you can download it from oracle
03:09:54 <cpet> runs fine in bhyve
03:09:55 <JetpackJackson> I tried to use 9front as a daily driver
03:10:06 <JetpackJackson> Slash tried to see myself using it daily
03:10:17 <JetpackJackson> Could not
03:11:47 <hodapp> cpet: are these actual running hardware, or emulated?
03:12:02 <cpet> a few are HW most are emulated
03:13:14 <hodapp> played startrek on openvms. died in one move.
03:13:31 <cpet> i had a router that ran openvms
03:16:30 <LxGHTNxNG> man
03:22:40 <JetpackJackson> Is there a such thing as being nostalgic for a time period you weren't alive for?
03:24:57 <JetpackJackson> I feel like going and installing obscure systems in virtual machines now
03:27:37 <V_PauAmma_V> For me, there is: the Zanclean flood.
03:31:45 <hodapp> JetpackJackson: hell, people are nostalgic for shit that never even happened
03:34:33 <JetpackJackson> Oh
03:34:33 <rwp> JetpackJackson, I think it is valid.  For example look at all of the cooking channels on Youtube for 18th century cooking!  That certainly seems valid.  And tasty!  So why not computing too?
03:34:44 <JetpackJackson> Ah true
03:35:00 <JetpackJackson> That's a great example cause ive been really wanting to get into cooking
03:40:28 <JetpackJackson> Good night all :3
03:49:25 <v01d> is this general chanel or am i in the wrong one
04:02:00 <LxGHTNxNG> V_PauAmma_V: what's nostalgic about the Med getting flooded for you?
04:02:07 <v01d> not on the phone
04:02:29 <LxGHTNxNG> v01d: this is the channel for talk about, and helping each other with, FreeBSD
04:02:44 <v01d> yeah i know
04:03:12 <v01d> why are you telling me this
04:04:21 <LxGHTNxNG> because you asked ( v01d) is this general chanel or am i in the wrong one
04:04:41 <v01d> oh yeah forgot this one
04:04:50 <v01d> yeah i know thanks
04:04:55 <LxGHTNxNG> if you're looking for general chat you might try #freebsd-social
04:05:01 <v01d> figure it out
04:05:10 <v01d> ok
04:05:35 <v01d> #freebsd-social
04:07:43 <V_PauAmma_V> LxGHTNxNG, it must have been an awesome sight. (From a safe distance, like several miles inland, and with a heavy-duty noise-reducting headset.
04:10:35 <LxGHTNxNG> You'd need to be above the to-be coastline of Gibraltar.
04:13:14 <V_PauAmma_V> Yeah. See above, "several miles inland".
04:18:32 <cpet> JetpackJackson: dont think you really need justification to do whatever it is you want
05:14:46 <Afterglow> Has anyone ever encountered this error: freebsd-update: cannot create /dev/stdout: No such file or directory
05:15:00 <Afterglow> Cannot seem to find what's happening here.
05:16:19 <llua> is devfs mounted?
05:21:45 <Afterglow> yes: devfs on /dev (devfs)
05:29:57 <Afterglow> hmm, unmounting fdescfs from /dev/fd fixed the issue
11:52:19 <zip> say, is there a need for the 5 second poweroff wait with NVMe? it feels like a kinda spinning-rust kinda measure
12:01:33 <JetpackJackson> cpet: alright
12:17:42 <Macer>  raidz_expansion
12:18:00 <Macer> i upgraded my pool. now to create a new vdev and see how difficult it will be to expand it
12:18:18 <Macer> hopefully without ruining it :)
12:47:30 <Macer> hm. seems like running smartctl -t long <device> will take quite some time for 8TB disks
12:48:59 <Macer> cmdwatch smartctl -l selftest <device> should be the right way to show the status right?
12:54:52 <JetpackJackson> Hmm the chimera VM crashed right after it started loading the kernel and such via limine... Strange
12:56:26 <JetpackJackson> I'll see if I can find an older ISO that uses GRUB and see if that boots
12:56:56 <JetpackJackson> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=288488
13:02:25 <Alver> Urghl. Since an update, suddenly EDITOR for root is set to... I dunno what this contraption is. How do I change it back to vi(m)?
13:03:01 <Alver> I put it in .profile but doesn't fix it.
13:04:00 <Alver> Oh, it appears to be "edit".
14:01:15 <vkarlsen> That's ee
14:19:22 <nwe> can someone recomend a good slack-client (at the moment I using slack via chrome.. and  chrome eating alot of memory)...
14:22:06 <bylzz> nwe: I use weechat so naturally I use wee-slack
14:23:25 <nwe> oh! can I still use slack with irc??
14:23:37 <nwe> haha read it wrong :P
14:23:41 <nwe> read weechat :P
14:23:56 <Macer> it is weechat lol
14:24:16 <nwe> ^^
14:24:36 <Macer> https://github.com/wee-slack/wee-slack
14:25:27 <Macer> https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix-rs <- there's this too for matrix but i never had good luck with the cross signing / encryption with it. not sure if that's all sorted. i kind of gave up on matrix.
14:26:53 <nwe> maybe time to change from irssi to weechat..
14:28:04 <Macer> imo weechat is the best console client but sure takes a lot of work to fine tune it
14:28:36 <Macer> i thought irssi was depcrecated
14:28:46 <vkarlsen> Then I'll stick to irssi. It was painful enough to come off ircII.
14:29:07 <Macer> vkarlsen: i miss ircii. it had character :)
14:29:16 <vkarlsen> Macer: Indeed :)
14:32:22 <nwe> brb
14:36:14 <remiliascarlet> bylzz: So they finally fixed Wee-Slack again? Last time I used it (last year), Slack decided to break it for whatever reason, and wasn't able to use it ever since.
15:10:49 <bylzz> remiliascarlet: it works for me
15:14:44 <JetpackJackson> woohoo got 9p sharing working with my arch vm! now to find out why my chimera vm doesnt have internet but arch does
15:20:55 <Macer> hm. wonder if fbsd has gptids pop up right after you rename them. i vaguely remember them not being there if you changed the name
15:23:04 <Macer> i'm waiting on long smart tests to finish on 4 disks so i can create a 4 disk raidz2 vdev to add to a pool that i'm going to use expansion for until it reaches 12 8TB disks
15:27:46 <JetpackJackson> Oh I just realized I dont necessarily *need* a chimera vm, I can do cports without it
16:11:58 <JetpackJackson> Drat it needs bubblewrap. Guess I'll move the cports into
16:12:05 <JetpackJackson> The arch vm
16:12:11 <JetpackJackson> Sorry sent too early
16:47:44 <tk> How do I permit a connection between two FIBs?
16:48:13 <tk> as in, I have something listening on a port but it's in FIB 1 and I want traffic which is coming over a FIB 0 interface to be able to reach it
17:16:31 <JetpackJackson> I got borg backup working so I can extract my Linux backup into my BSD system woohoo
17:17:32 <mzar> nice, but you can directly copy from Linux filesystem, as far as you have ext4 deployed
17:22:56 <JetpackJackson> Yeah I do
17:23:04 <JetpackJackson> Oh neat
17:23:40 <JetpackJackson> Was initially using rsync but it was kinda slow lol. WiFi moment
17:40:40 <JetpackJackson> I'd still like to use borg for backups cause rsync can't handle deletes so Ill have to mount the borg repo after mounting the ext4 drive if I want to access the files directly
17:45:03 <JetpackJackson> Happy that it works though
18:08:14 <cpet> tk: net.fibs=2 in loader.conf then use pf using rtable
18:10:11 <mzar> net.fibs is runtime tunable
18:10:48 <tk> yeah I already had the fibs configured, just needed the hint about pf
18:10:56 <tk> looks like ipfw also has setfib
18:11:05 <mzar> yes, it has
18:11:38 <cpet> could also play with setfib
18:12:40 <mzar> PF has rtable, not setfib
18:12:56 <mzar> it's the same
18:47:38 <JetpackJackson> Has anyone been able to upgrade an Ubuntu chroot to latest Ubuntu? I'm realizing I need to use linuxulator for GUI apps instead of bhyve
20:12:02 <Chip1972> what is difference between ZPOOL and ZFS?
20:15:09 <ridcully> Chip1972: do you mean the lowercase commands?
20:16:05 <divansantana> why would pkg install chromium result in no pkg being found? (standard amd64 latest install)
20:16:07 <Chip1972> ridcully: yes
20:17:50 <ridcully> zpool manages the pools and zfs the filesystem on the pools
20:28:10 <Chip1972> ridcully: seriously... what is difference? I am studying FBSD for weeks and cant find a place to learn about it.
20:48:18 <rwp> Chip1972, It appears that chromium failed in the most recent build.  That's why it is not available at this moment.
20:48:23 <rwp> https://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/
20:50:32 <rwp> That probably also applies to ungoogled-chromium too.  I suggest installing firefox which is available.  Try again in a few days.  Watch the build for updates.
20:54:47 <rwp> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy21/data/150releng-amd64-quarterly/63b58f9533a2/logs/chromium-142.0.7444.175.log
20:54:50 <rwp> "ld.lld: error: undefined symbol: __rustc::__rust_alloc_error_handler_should_panic"
21:33:35 <JetpackJackson> Oh we have a build status page
21:33:39 <JetpackJackson> Neato
21:38:10 <divansantana> rwp: thank you
21:42:49 <iio7> WTF? Latest update of packages has broken mpv? ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libavcodec.so.60: version LIBAVCODEC_60 required by /usr/local/bin/mpv not defined
21:52:45 <mzar> try: pkg upgrade -f ffmpeg
22:33:13 <cpet> JetpackJackson: which GUI apps ?
22:36:25 <JetpackJackson> Orca slicer still, wine worked but was really janky
22:36:38 <cpet> if the bhyve works
22:36:43 <cpet> why still mess with it ?
22:36:59 <cpet> or use the one in ports which is known to wokr in FreeBSD
22:38:34 <cpet> sometimes in the freebsd world you have to just use whats avail
22:38:43 <cpet> I like iptraf but that is impossible to port to freebsd
22:38:52 <cpet> but trafshow works just as well
22:43:08 <cpet> or learn meseon and cmake and port orca slicer
23:13:10 <JetpackJackson> I think orca has stuff that prusa slicer doesn't
23:13:46 <JetpackJackson> I can't run GUI apps in bhyve, sway yells about no GPU
23:14:47 <JetpackJackson> I would port but ill have to wait till I can run bsd on a more powerful machine
23:18:12 <cpet> getting your webcam to work is easier now than it was
23:20:07 <JetpackJackson> In general or for looking at a printer camera?
23:22:23 <cpet> a normal logitech web cam
23:23:50 <cpet> never got into the whole 3d printer thing
23:24:33 <cpet> i remeber when I was in college and I got an award to finding the most differences and the award was printed using a 3d printer and it looked like utter garbage so never cared much to have one :P
23:32:14 <JetpackJackson> Ah printers are way better now
23:32:25 <JetpackJackson> That could have been reprap era
23:35:11 <cpet> this was in 2016
23:42:32 <JetpackJackson> Hmm
23:42:36 <JetpackJackson> I guess not then
23:42:52 <JetpackJackson> I mean prints can be awful no matter the machine
23:43:05 <JetpackJackson> You do have to put some care into that
23:43:31 <JetpackJackson> I guess I'll try prusa for now
23:43:45 <JetpackJackson> And hopefully in the future I can dual boot on my nice laptop
23:43:49 <JetpackJackson> Or get a framework
23:44:52 <cpet> framework has little cpu choices
23:45:04 <cpet> and its soldered on
23:45:09 <cpet> right there i closed the tab
23:46:29 <JetpackJackson> Oh
23:46:44 <JetpackJackson> I saw a post on the forum about bsd on the laptops
23:47:21 <JetpackJackson> https://community.frame.work/t/freebsd-on-the-framework-laptop/14823/81
23:47:28 <cpet> never cared much for laptops
23:47:33 <JetpackJackson> Oh
23:47:39 <cpet> i had a mac book pro which was a ncie laptop but never used it
23:47:51 <JetpackJackson> What do you do if you're going to a workplace
23:48:01 <cpet> i dont work so bleh
23:48:02 <cpet> heh
23:48:06 <JetpackJackson> Ah
23:48:28 <JetpackJackson> I dont want to use a work laptop for coding if I can help it
23:48:53 <JetpackJackson> Idk I guess I should see what job I get first
23:49:09 <cpet> if I was ever given a work PC i would either leave it at work or deny it if they have a desktop
23:49:15 <JetpackJackson> Idk of any other laptops that are more repairable
23:49:40 <cpet> but then agian that mentality is probably the reason why I dont have a job now
23:49:41 <cpet> heh
23:50:26 <JetpackJackson> Ah
23:50:45 <JetpackJackson> I mean I'd use a work phone for work apps
23:50:56 <JetpackJackson> Idk if I'd code on a work machine though
23:50:58 <JetpackJackson> Idk
23:51:27 <cpet> kind of why I wouldn't use it
23:52:11 <cpet> im not attached to technology like most people are
23:52:52 <cpet> well i got all this to work so I can do homework after turkey day meal
23:53:17 <cpet> webcam is around 10 years old so could be why it was so easy to setup
23:53:40 <JetpackJackson> Oh nice
23:57:10 <Chip1972> what is difference between ZPOOL and ZFS?