00:06:36 ah 00:07:19 Missing .git at the end 00:07:42 Has anyone used bhyvemgr? Haven't gotten any live isos to boot other than alpine and I'm wondering if its a PEBKAC situation 00:17:58 mariuss: were you upgrading freebsd 14.3 to 15.0 ? 00:20:10 Were you upgrading Freebsd 14.3 to 15.0 ? 00:22:31 Yes! 14.3-p5 to 15.0-RC3 00:23:58 I used Xorg -configure to create a new /etc/Xorg/xorg.conf. However, I now get yet another error: no screens found. 00:25:01 more precisely: open /dev/dri/card0: operation not supported by device 00:25:49 are you on Baremetal or running Freebsd as a VM ? 00:26:22 bare metal. An older HP all-in-one 00:26:34 ok 00:28:40 freebsd isnt great as a wifi client let alone an access point, much better to just get proper dedicated hardware like UniFi/OpenWRT supported hardware etc. 00:31:31 back.. 00:31:57 are you running Freebsd on VM or on Baremetal ? 00:32:23 bare metal 00:32:48 pastebin.. /etc/rc.conf 00:33:26 and wanted to run Gnome or KDE ? 00:36:21 I think I had KDE installed before the upgrade 00:37:17 Now as far as the pastebin. Let me see how to do this. I'm on a different machine for the chat 00:37:50 oh cool RC4 released 00:37:50 pciconf -lv | grep -B4 VGA. 00:37:57 hopefully RELEASE is still slated for the 28th :) 00:38:25 the RCs sure come fast 00:38:43 and have to check .xinitrc file 00:40:24 # bectl list 00:45:25 and grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log 00:50:52 mariuss: ok, Good Luck !! 00:51:03 https://gist.github.com/Schamschula/8a90f71ec6ff0d04a53d4a48703943b0 00:56:37 hm 00:56:49 if i install the samba420 pkg it doesn't remove 416? 00:59:35 i'm trying to sort out how you would upgrade version specific packages 00:59:41 is there some sort of pkg flag for that? 01:00:38 like samba has 416 (deprecated) 419 and 420 but i don't know am i supposed to remove / install or is there a cleaner way of going from 416 to 420? 01:01:03 You have to first do a pkg delete on samba416 and then a pkg install for samba420 01:01:28 ah ok. i sure hope something like that doesn't break things. i have it joined to a domain 01:01:57 i guess i can probably just use beadm if all else fails rollback? 01:04:26 well.. i just threw caution to the wind and did pkg remove samba416;pkg install samba420 and i guess it seems to still work 01:04:42 tbf i'm curious why samba is separated like that 01:05:35 maybe it should have a plain net/samba pkg that just follows upgrades that aren't major version specific 01:07:25 mariuss: thanks for info.. hmm.. have to verify are these already installed/updated ? # pkg update; pkg upgrade gpu-firmware-kmod drm-kmod xf86-video-ati 01:09:49 and then have to verify that your current user is the part of video or wheel group and which error message you receive on $ startx command 01:11:18 xf86-video-ati was missing. However, that didn't change the error 01:13:58 which error message do you receive on startx command ? 01:14:51 Same as in the gist 01:16:05 # bectl list 01:20:16 Uploaded as a comment to the gist 01:29:55 When I'm asking about bhyve stuff am I interrupting 01:30:31 # xorg -configure 01:31:32 issue is in this line.. i think kld_list="radeonkms" have to trace out more.. 01:33:24 pastebin that result of # xorg -configure command.. 01:34:18 I ran xorg -configure to fix an earlier error 01:35:11 ... 01:35:14 . 01:36:32 Sorry: my armrest! 01:38:07 How do I capture the output from Xorg -configure? 01:38:07 have to check which drivers does it auto choose in section "Device" 01:39:04 it wil create a new file .. vim /root/xorg.conf.new 01:40:12 As I mentioned, I've already done that Also copied the resulting file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf 01:41:03 i always figured xorg was being obsoleted 01:41:09 i also wanted to see after giving xorg -configure command which list does it show under video drivers.. 01:41:44 Driver "modestetting" 01:42:24 I think I keep worrying about dual boot stuff and having my future BSD system be ready for a non Linux/BSD centered world if that makes sense 01:42:27 Aka my anxiety 01:42:35 The BusID seems correct "PCI:O:1:0" 01:43:55 only modesetting ? 2nd.. we can change kld_list="radeonkms" into kld_list="amdgpu" in /etc/rc.conf file and reboot 01:46:38 I love FreeBSD so im upset that I can't get these bhyve VMS to work or things like that 01:47:32 Changing kld_list="amdgpu" and rebooting made no difference: same error 01:47:47 JetpackJackson: what exactly is wrong with bhyve 01:47:55 mariuss: is your card supported ? 01:47:59 or install gnome # pkg install gnome gdm and vim /etc/fstab and proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 and for video/normal user, $ echo "exec gnome-session" > ~/.initrc 01:48:57 cpet: can't get fedora or cachyos live isos to boot (can send error message in a bit) and the alpine one boots but has no internet 01:49:10 cpet: it worked fine this morning under 14.3, before I updated to 14.3-p5 and updated the packages 01:49:36 JetpackJackson: find it hard to beleive when I ran slackware, cachyos in bhyve 01:49:41 Idk if its PEBKAC or cause I'm using bhyvemgr or if I have the wrong isos or smth missing in a config file 01:49:49 JetpackJackson: you need to copy over the templates and modify them 01:49:55 What templates 01:49:57 oh bhyvem,gr is a pos 01:50:03 Oh 01:50:06 I just wanted a gui 01:50:18 And I tried to get vvirt-manager to work with bhyve ans couldnt 01:50:20 vm-bhyve comes with templates 01:50:28 So I feel really dumb and upset 01:50:31 Oh 01:50:56 you can just edit those and add in graphics=yes to get a VNC 01:51:01 and login using tigervnc 01:51:05 Oh 01:51:13 Alright I'll try that 01:51:32 or if you have another HD do what I did to get windows to install in a vm and install linux on a seperate HD 01:51:59 I guess if I ever get a framework I could do that 01:52:02 since i only need windows for 2 months 01:52:13 didint care about installing to a seperate HD as I have like 9 in this machine 01:52:48 Holy cow 01:53:24 mariuss: did you install all the firmwares and does the terminal change when you load the driver ? 01:53:48 OK lemme brush my teeth and stuff and then I'll clean up my install (rm bhyvemgr, clean up RC conf) and then see if the stuff works 01:54:09 why? 01:54:15 bhyvemgr is like 100 megs 01:54:23 its 2025 people have like 4tb drives these days 01:54:49 tThe upgrade from 14.3 to 15.0-RC3 installed loads of firmware. I didn't memorize all that was installed. 01:55:08 thought you install to 14.3 p5 01:55:14 now you updated to 15.0-rc3 01:56:12 Initially 14.3-p5. After sddm failed to load the GUI I was encouraged to update to 15.o-RC 01:57:00 so when you do a dmesg 01:57:06 do you see your card loaded ? 01:57:12 or better yet pciconf -lv 01:57:24 Fortunately, this machine is not my daily driver, just a machine to test the desktop. 01:58:04 See ny gist https://gist.github.com/Schamschula/8a90f71ec6ff0d04a53d4a48703943b0 01:58:28 what does id username say 01:59:14 It lists video 01:59:46 do you only have one card ? 02:00:04 Yes, its an all-in-one machine 02:00:13 so why are you messing with busid ? 02:01:05 pastebin what /var/log/X11.log says 02:01:21 Xorg.0.log 02:01:36 I wasn't. Earlier, somehow /etc/X11/xorg.conf was missing, and hence startx could not find it 02:02:17 chris@beastie:/tmp % ls /etc/X11/ 02:02:18 chris@beastie:/tmp % 02:02:42 x just works 02:02:54 you probably are missing one of the xf86-video-amdgpu 02:03:01 that doesnt get install with xorg for some reason 02:04:06 after xorg -configure you have move xorg.conf.new file to /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf .. if it wasn't found.. 02:04:25 you dont need xorg.conf to get x working 02:04:32 k 02:05:03 the onyl thign I have is a custom conf to force X to use my gfx card rather the CPU based one 02:05:06 nothing more 02:05:13 this has been the case with xorg for a very long time 02:05:23 doing xorg -configure isnt even recomended any more 02:06:20 Historically, the X.org server was configured with files in /usr/local/etc/X11/. This is still supported for edge cases, but conflicts with dynamic autoconfiguration. 02:06:22 mariuss: did you changed back kld_list="amgpu" to kld_list="radeonkms" in /etc/rc.conf ? btw.. it was working with radeonkms earlier.. 02:06:23 Do not create configuration for the X.org server in xorg.conf or run Xorg -configure unless automatic configuration fails. 02:06:26 straight from handbook 02:07:01 now you may add this to xorg.conf.d 02:07:08 Section "Device" Identifier "Card0" Driver "radeon" 02:07:10 EndSection 02:07:13 and see if it works 02:07:14 * kld_list="amdgpu" 02:07:33 er amdgpu 02:07:48 https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/ 02:08:01 one more thing.. what this command says: # kldload radeonkms 02:08:33 if you cant change the wording to use updated drivers 02:08:37 really god help you heh 02:08:49 xorg.conf.d? 02:10:29 :( 02:11:30 Installing x86-video-amdgpu did change the out for the log file. However, the same error persists. 02:11:38 mariuss: # kldload radeonkms 02:11:47 I did remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file 02:12:01 what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say 02:12:14 cpet: to make sure configs don't mess up the fresh setup 02:12:32 JetpackJackson: they install things to a different place 02:12:34 Yes, I already changed kld_list to "amdgpu" 02:13:42 kldload radeonkms: module already loaded 02:14:09 #kldload amdgpu same message for it as well ? 02:14:42 Yes, same message 02:15:34 $ xorg and then check logs of /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. same messages are showing ? 02:16:59 tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log for more info.. 02:18:04 See updated log file in my gist 02:22:26 try install xf86-video-ati 02:23:03 and remove amdgpu as according to man radeon.4 you card is supported in the radeon driver 02:25:52 xf86-video-ati was already installed 02:28:22 Now setting kld_list to amdgpu doesn't make sense 02:29:06 your card is old so 02:29:14 2014 old 02:29:34 and that error is as simple as your card not being supported 02:29:49 so you may have to use the older drm 5.x 02:31:27 How do I do that? 02:32:22 drm-515-kmod 02:32:31 shoudl remove the older one 02:32:36 see if that works 02:35:27 Drat: boot now hangs on Loading kernel modules: radeonkms 02:38:46 boot to single then remove radeonkms 02:38:56 press space bar when you see the boot menu 02:39:05 and at the prompt type in boot -s 02:39:20 or select it 02:39:27 i dont like to use that boot menu so I remove or disbale it 02:39:49 cpet: OK fedora gets me can't load kernel 02:39:59 Alpine is not doing any thing 02:40:11 Also I have to force kill VM console each time 02:40:13 i sware you people really need to learn to show logs, error message or something to work with 02:40:21 this vague errors dont do anyone any good 02:41:34 Sorry 02:41:37 I'm sorry 02:41:57 I commented out radeonkms 02:42:18 at this point would probably be quicker if I just logged in hah 02:42:37 but we all know this is 2003 and that wont happen so 02:42:42 isnt* 02:44:03 Lol. It reminds me of an earlier time where I telneted from the local SGI office to my linux box and then on to one od the SGI Indigos in the computer lab. 02:45:07 One sec gotta reboot 02:46:06 I can reboot, but no longer have a kernel video module 02:47:53 cpet: termbin.com/vvpy 02:49:24 that doesnt tell me anything 02:49:59 cp /usr/local/share/vm-bhyve/*.conf /path/to/vm/dir/.templates 02:50:34 Where are the VMS installed by default 02:50:55 go have fun with google 02:51:05 What should kld_list be set to ? 02:51:28 I'm sorry 02:51:32 I'm an idiot 02:51:56 Found it.. 02:52:05 I had defined it myself in RC conf 02:52:07 Im sorry 02:52:19 . 03:12:27 Well, amdgpu also hangs the boot with "BIOS signature incorrect" 03:13:05 OK I got garbled text on the console now and I'm not sure what im supposed to do to get tigervnc working for it. I'm tired and my brain is stupid and I need to go to bed and stop yapping here when I need to figure out my problems myself instead of bothering you all when I haven't even read the most basic stuff ever. 03:13:22 https://share.katzenmue.de:9270/file_share/06926704-66b8-78b0-9e59-e391f09565bd/20251125_220400.jpg 03:13:34 https://share.katzenmue.de:9270/file_share/06926705-2770-75d8-b895-f1bfe38fbda9/20251125_220833.jpg 03:13:52 I guess I'll end this experiment and get some sleep. 03:14:20 Crap im sorry mariuss 03:14:41 Old computers... 03:14:57 Im sorry 03:15:11 I'm being an idiot in here and ruining everything 03:15:52 Fortunately, my other FreeBSD boxen are servers, w/o this video driver mess. 03:18:58 I have a cat on my lap and I'm trying to relax re: the stress. Im sorry I let it bleed into here. It was stupid 03:19:01 mariuss: oh I see 03:21:36 I had amdgpu cause me some gender of kernel panic, on a fork 03:58:12 yakubin: the problem is that the repo is read only can't build anything from it 04:24:36 back 04:24:51 mariuss: did you found any solution for it ? 04:37:37 tomorrow will check out this issue again.. :) 04:46:19 mariuss: amdgpu if radeonkms hangs 04:46:37 JetpackJackson: edit the config file and add in debug=yes 04:46:53 and then find out where the vms are located at and read the error from debug.log 04:46:57 paste that in pastebin 04:50:00 JetpackJackson: vm info vmname should tell you where it's located in 04:54:54 i use zfs so I chose to put my vms in beer/vms 04:55:02 cause why not name your pool beer 05:07:31 cpet: i always leaned towards brainbank myself.. but beer works 05:07:43 and make the comment.. the only place a wrinkle is good.. is the brain 05:11:18 voy4g3r2: tank or beer 05:11:27 tank as that is what zfs root was originally named 05:11:43 for some reason I dont like zroot 05:12:11 https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gaynr/index.html 05:33:07 yes the sun people were a cheeky bunch 05:33:14 I only like zroot for FBSD because it's the default so it takes very littler effort if this go awry. No overthinking having to re-examine recommended commands for recovery. 05:33:22 Name doesn't matter one bit. 05:34:12 no it does not, just adds personality to the whole situation. my homelab is family members and tattoo themes.. its just a thing 05:34:38 but when i get to generic services, like postgresql.. that is the name of the jails hostname.. because it is simple to remember 05:35:42 jail names are jail# 05:35:46 Fair enough. 07:38:35 With meetings working, the next thing to tackle here I think will be Steam. 07:39:25 I'm also kind of itching to convert a system to pkgbase so I can update it to 15. I might give it a try on a sacrificial test system. 07:39:43 pkgbase isnt an issue 07:39:54 its when people do weird things when it gets to be an issue 07:40:41 mason: there is a good amount of effort for getting steam working by shkhln 07:41:01 wine plays sc1 fine 07:42:02 I have base sitting in my phone but I can't build it 07:42:23 base sitting in your phone but cant build it 07:42:32 last i herd freebsd doesnt work on a mobile phone 07:43:00 ~/freebsd $ ls COPYRIGHT boot lib mnt rescue sys var base.txz dev libexec net root tmp bin etc media proc sbin usr ~/freebsd $ 07:43:20 yeah not compatible 07:43:38 man that suck! 07:43:41 ls doesnt mean anything now a uname -a will 07:43:47 kenrap: Is that the steam-utils package or whatever it's called? I was thinking of trying it in Wine first, but I'm game for whatever offers a good experience. 07:43:50 I know 07:44:19 linux-steam-utils I guess 07:44:52 you cant run much games using that 07:44:59 mason: https://github.com/shkhln/linuxulator-steam-utils 07:45:09 Mm, was just reading that. 07:45:16 the whole ecosystem of gaming when steam was a thing 07:45:21 pretty mcuh messed it all up 07:45:57 however the game "I" play work in wine 07:46:11 sc2, warcraft 2 etc.. 07:46:13 would it be fucking nice to have base just like that on your phone mann 07:46:34 haha 07:46:39 i hate th ecosystem of phone 07:46:43 fuck me 07:46:49 the fact that these kids spend more time on there phone 07:47:11 It's possible to get FreeBSD booting on a phone, but as far being able to make calls is another thing. 07:47:19 99.9% of the people who call I answer with a fuck do you want and they hang up 07:48:06 kenrap: graphene os works fine 07:48:15 if you have a pixel phone 07:48:20 qemu I heard but real slow 07:48:56 cpet: great minds think alike. That's what I use on a pixel 9 pro 07:49:23 yeah I like my pixel it runs a beta version of 16 07:49:31 and I like that it can use a cli 07:49:52 would it possible to wrap the freebsd manpages website 07:50:17 to have it like an app 07:50:28 yeah 07:50:31 I think mine just upgrade( to 16. I noticed the UI changes, espeically with the icons and battery symbol being more colorful. 07:50:39 not sure why you would want to do that but yeah 07:50:41 *upgraded 07:51:15 https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi 07:52:08 why would you want to view manpages on a shity 7" screen when you can view it at a higher res 07:52:46 convinience and portability 07:52:59 so you have to read man pages on a train ? 07:53:08 yeah 07:53:45 and have easy quick ✋ access 07:54:00 ssh into a systen and do man x 07:54:26 just like that in your pocket 07:54:40 i hate my phone and widh it utter death 07:54:53 lol why 07:54:57 ill be damned if ill read man pages on it 07:55:06 haha 07:55:55 you give it too much importance 07:56:16 its just a portable computer 07:56:35 no i dont half the time its tossed on my bed and hidden under the covers 07:56:52 I would only read man pages on my phone if I needed to. Like if my machines were borked in some way and I needed to quickly reference something. 07:57:06 i have a dual monitor setup 07:57:15 but why hate it 07:57:17 why in the name of jebs would I use my phone for anything really hah 07:58:13 I like android device 07:58:43 im guessing your no where near your 40's or have used a computer in the days when a 14.4 baud modem was the shit 07:58:44 I always liked gadget 07:59:48 When I was a kid a liked gameboy cellphone toy mini game gadget 08:00:06 what does that even mean 08:00:27 now you put an android device in my hand I'm like a kid 08:00:49 you can do everything with that 08:01:20 I mean my cellphone is more powerful then my computer 08:01:30 (gameboy would've implied you're at least a millennial) 08:01:31 bull shit it is 08:01:55 you are telling me my pixel 7 is more pwoerful than my ryzen 7 with 64gig of ram 08:01:58 come on now 08:02:09 color and advanced 08:02:27 i stopped liking phones when it invaded our lives 08:02:32 social media is garbage 08:02:57 the fact that I can run a cli and ssh into my computer at home is the only real reaosn why I have one 08:03:13 other then that ill be using voip with a suto response that say fuck off 08:03:46 (and when phones are constantly spying and phoning back home your data to whomever) 08:03:56 kenrap: thats another issue 08:04:07 and thats pretty much any OS 08:04:14 windows, mac os call home 08:04:31 all you have to do is watch using wireshark 08:04:50 people don't know how to use it 08:05:05 Yeah, telemetry is what's cool these days for mainstream OSes. 08:05:40 and most phones are garbage 08:06:30 I'm talking about the technology in it self 08:07:36 what Google Facebook meta and shit do with it yeah that's bullshit 08:09:13 I'm going to have 1 TB storage 16 gb ram Gos in my pockets real soon 08:09:39 haha 08:09:54 play doom on it 08:10:42 I play conker bad fur day on my Samsung s24 08:10:47 He can just download a gameboy color emulator and play pokemon gold on it. 08:10:59 hahaha 08:11:07 you kill it 08:11:14 i kind of like the idea of playing a game on my 32" LCD's 08:11:19 rather a small screen 08:15:55 https://f-droid.org/packages/com.mobilerpgpack.phone 08:16:48 https://f-droid.org/packages/dev.serwin.AnarchRE 08:17:20 seeing how most of us dont irc on our phone 08:18:09 i mean at the end of the day it comes down to each there own really 08:18:30 i personally dislike my phone and only have it for personal needs rather anything else 08:18:52 i really should get ride of it and just use voip 08:19:00 I have Weechat installed on my freebsd but it's not set yet 08:20:52 yeah if you don't use it 08:21:13 and it as no use for you 08:21:23 i use it as a GPS 08:21:32 old man gets lost need to find my way back 08:21:41 :( 08:22:01 🤣 08:22:43 so it's useful for that at least 08:22:48 now my car has a gps but its old 08:22:57 and im not paying 99.99 for the update 08:23:53 man that I hate it the invasion of car with ai sensor bluetooth 08:24:31 garbage computer program 08:24:37 honestly sometimes its easier to just press the onstar button than to deal with gps 08:25:05 remeber than AI is taking our jobs away 08:25:28 Because ai is dumb 08:25:38 its not dumb as all 08:25:49 I have asked AI to help me fix many programming issues 08:26:30 like 08:26:33 ? 08:26:45 it can help 08:27:02 but it can't replace us 08:27:16 tell that to IBM, MS, Apple 08:27:20 list goes on 08:27:46 yeah they just feeding their cash bubble 08:29:37 says the person who warships phones 08:29:52 its only data training and algorithm 08:30:04 I don't worship phones 08:30:14 yeah you do 08:30:22 I appreciate the technology for what it is 08:30:48 but you dont appreciate AI 08:30:51 llm too is cool 08:31:00 I use it 08:31:03 too 08:31:16 i used AI to fix an issue I was having with my firewall and suricata 08:31:39 that's nice 08:32:02 not really the inner working of suricata is weird 08:34:40 if I compare the help I get with llm and the one I get with a human being, the human being is more efficient given he his competent 08:35:38 I found that to have a solution to a problem with llm can long and painfull 08:36:04 not with humans 08:36:25 seeing how I spend more time blocking AI bot than I Do maintaining my actual web server 08:38:51 also reading documentation made by us is more helpful then asking llm and doing research on DuckDuckGo more quick than asking llm 08:39:14 yes time is always an issue 08:40:48 they are fare from Sentient 08:41:06 very very very very far away 08:41:09 lol 08:42:42 and the worst of it is the amount of energy they take for so little outcomes for sure they have to sell the moon to the world 08:45:06 Basically time is precious for us and is more valued when invested in real actual exchange and real studying 08:45:34 asking ai is a waste of time 08:45:42 its only a precious as we make it 08:46:19 in reality it doesn't worth much 08:46:30 the vois isnt worth much 08:46:33 void 08:46:55 if you compare the actual experience you get 08:47:06 its just empty space 08:48:05 it doesn't bring much result 08:48:31 its not so surprising 08:49:04 doesn't have so much capacity for all the power it gets 08:49:17 the power 08:49:24 and waist 08:50:53 if we compare llm with smartphone smartphone is something llm not that much. 08:51:04 at least its my view 08:51:59