00:07:17 into the center of the stack insiiide 00:12:25 https://share.katzenmue.de:9270/file_share/0691bb9e-0b51-7598-be2d-cf97e510d9e2/20251117_190758.jpg 00:12:30 Hmm task failed successfully moment 00:13:51 capturing success logged error output 00:14:17 Yeah 00:14:41 The RTW doesn't show up in ifconfig, it only shows in the bsdinstall tui 00:26:12 https://share.katzenmue.de:9270/file_share/0691bbd1-b6a8-7738-9661-b7de496b5a33/20251117_192445.jpg 00:31:14 old lenovo hw-probe: https://bsd-hardware.info/?probe=497a7e92e4 00:38:50 https://share.katzenmue.de:9270/file_share/0691bc00-f25f-7b44-9161-f8f5e96841f0/20251117_193833.jpg 00:38:50 Volume up but nothing from beep 00:56:23 Houston we have WiFi!!! 00:56:36 https://share.katzenmue.de:9270/file_share/0691bc43-9917-7f04-85d1-bd67fc1014e2/20251117_195544.jpg 00:57:39 JetpackJackson: roger that 00:58:21 I used the handbook and some forum posts to get it working (mainly the the handbook) 00:58:39 godspeed JetpackJackson 00:58:59 :3 00:59:13 Brb gotta feed the cats 00:59:45 that's A-ffirm JetpackJackson 00:59:58 I did https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/network/#basic-wireless-configuration but used rtw880 in place of the example 01:01:42 honestly i haven't configured WIFI on fbsd myself but from what backlog I can see it's a pain for a lot of people 01:02:37 Yeah that's what I've seen too 01:04:43 Audio is gonna be my next task 02:27:23 I got sound to work using my headset this is awesome 02:27:29 Luanti works too 02:27:35 I love it 02:53:05 https://share.katzenmue.de:9270/file_share/0691bdf8-439a-71fc-90a4-5ad71acea050/20251117_213817.jpg 02:53:19 https://share.katzenmue.de:9270/file_share/0691bdf9-1bd9-7b9c-a217-65a6ec1a1d2f/20251117_214900.jpg 03:05:38 ant-x, You say that like there was any doubt! :-) 03:09:36 Huh weird my Xf86audio* keys only register as such when I press alt plus the key, instead of fn... 03:09:55 I wonder if that's why I can't change the audio volume with a niri keybind 03:10:04 That's a tomorrow tinker 03:10:07 :3 03:10:22 I'm so happy I got audio and niri and WiFi working 03:10:39 i spent a lot of time today trying to write an rc.d/my_program service script for a little program i wrote. I wanted the program to launch as a specific user that had the permissions required to access a directory (I more or less got this working - still not sure if I did it right). My program binds to a socket @ :80 but i could not figure out for the life of me how to do that without running 03:10:42 as root 03:11:28 I am definitely not the person to ask about that, I have not tried to write a service yet 03:12:19 i enable mac_portacl module and gave the user permissions like this: `sysctl security.mac.portacl.rules="uid:1002:tcp:80,uid:1002:tcp:443"` but it still wouldn't let me bind to the port 03:13:48 It seems like it shouldn't be as hard as it has been for me - for some reason though i just can't get it 03:24:42 Hmm maybe sleep on it and come back to it in the morning? (Depending on your timezone ofc) 03:25:59 yeah i'm reading up on an article covering rc scripting and looking over the manpages 03:27:42 Well that's good, the man pages are really good from what I've read so far 03:28:18 yeah I'm in the process of getting to now freebsd coming from linux for the last couple years and the manpages here are to die for 03:28:24 know* 03:33:45 Oh nice 03:34:02 This is like my first/second day of trying out FreeBSD lol 03:35:08 nice, I'm thoroughly enjoying it myself 03:40:21 Same here 03:44:43 when i will terminate to install linux on my boxes? i need docker and good mehaniker 03:49:09 Maybe I should add this laptop to the wiki page for laptops 03:52:37 I should run another probe now that I configured the WiFi and sound 04:46:09 why is the command 'pwd' but the man page says current working directory, not present working directory? either update the man page to replace current with present, or change the command to cwd, no? 04:49:17 maybe the p is for print.. so print working directory 04:55:02 It most certainly is an abbreviation for "Print Working Directory". 05:07:15 ah ok tyvm 08:52:49 just got a checksum mismatch msg to /var/log/messages from zfs on nda0p3.eli. is my drive bad or? 08:54:25 have you scrubed your pool? 08:54:59 nah it just happened. should i? it's a 1 drive stripe fwiw 08:56:27 There is no RAID? It's just a single device? Then likely that will indicate data loss. 08:56:44 I would start a scrub. Then it might resolve itself or it might not. 08:58:11 ok scrub done. so does that mean the drive is going bad or is that normal? 08:58:55 We don't have enough information to say yet either way. It's still something to watch for and to gather more information. 08:59:08 Did the scrub show a clean read of everything? Or did it report errors? 08:59:47 What type of device is this? What does the SMART data say? Run a SMART selftest and look at the result of it. 09:02:27 zpool status says one or more devices has experienced an unrecoverable error. an attempt was made to correct the error. applications are unaffected. scan: scrub repaired 0B with 0 errors 09:02:31 errosr: no known data errors 09:02:45 but cksum column has 2 for nda0p3.eli 09:06:39 Hmm... I would probably "zpool clear" the error since it thinks the scrub had no errors. Then I would run a smartctl -t short /dev/nda0p3 and then after waiting for it to be done run smartctl -l selftest /dev/nda0p3 and see what it says. 09:19:20 smartctl commands fail saying unable to detect device type 09:19:32 specify device type with -d option 09:22:06 it's a nvme ssd fwiw 09:30:47 rwp, "You say that like there was any doubt" > Yeah, there is often doubt on my side, and the syntax with nested ssh calls is difficult, and target server of the outer invocation does not matter becauuse ssh -W performs the connection. 09:30:54 Oh, NVMe, no support for SMART there. 09:31:25 ant-x, Right. But *I* knew it would work. :-) 09:31:59 Good for you! 09:32:13 If you move the option from the command line into the ~/.ssh/config file then the server name will matter because it will be used to select that stanza from the config file. 09:32:32 Just an alias. 09:33:08 And how am I to keep the reverse tunnel open -- in a screen session? 09:33:33 I use autossh to manage it. It's available as a pkg. 09:34:47 It's really late here so I will be saying Good Night until tomorrow. 09:35:57 rwp, thans, and good night. I wondered if an reverse tunnel could be opepened in an init script or a @boot cronjob (if the FreeBSD cron supports @boot). 09:39:45 Hello, all. My old machine has an Intel Pentium 4 CPU, according to sysctl. Does FreeBSD have tools to let me now the exact model of the CPU, to save physical disassembly? 09:43:22 lscpu 09:43:46 usually just printed in dmesg output 09:54:09 sysctl hw.model 11:30:25 carneous, dmesg only says it is Interl (R) Pentium (R) 4, but I need to know the exact model to know how to throttle it (if at all possible). 11:30:32 deconfed, lscpu -- thank you. 12:42:20 I should see if I can put more ram into the lenovo 12:47:05 Hi 12:47:09 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/cloudflare-outage-under-investigation-as-twitter-downdetector-go-down-company-confirms-global-network-issue-clone 12:47:17 Cloudflare is now going donw 12:47:22 *down 12:48:16 Look like the rate of hacking and outages is increasing these days.. 12:53:03 Yo I can put more ram into it 12:53:05 Nice 12:53:21 I should figure out how to use this thing as a sort of thin client 12:55:10 Yeah, We've got local elections in .dk, and the russians have targeted "us" 'cause of the support for .ua 12:55:25 Thought it might be that, but turns out it quite more than that. 12:56:25 yeah worldwide mafias is doing very huge work these days.. 12:58:02 Can't help but notice the similarities in lists of companies that have laid off people in favor of using AI, and companies that recently have faced outtages.... Not saying it's 1:1, but.... 12:59:12 AI needs huge resources 12:59:29 Also more hack able 13:05:03 we are playing with fire if we believe in a thing as stupid as "AI" 13:05:42 it's not that humans are all born without any sort of potential 13:06:44 but by teaching the chimps the theory of evolution, they are going to only look back at inferior species and refuse to evolve any further 13:07:27 The "I" in AI is a groce overestimate :) 13:07:45 Great marketing, though. 13:07:57 Re-naming Artificial Neural Networks to make people think it's some sort of sentient servant or something. 13:09:00 Artificial Large Language Model doesn't sound as convincing 13:10:06 Just heard at the ${OFFICE} - DownFlare, CloudFail(ure) 13:10:38 They had many problems the past months 13:11:10 also they affected in the outage (hack) of data centers in India 13:11:19 it's such idiocy to believe that ML can produce something that is both "intelligent" and "math-proficient" 13:11:54 it's very very difficult to teach an ML model to do math although techinically it runs on a computer 13:12:49 but these investors seem to be very much buying into that c**p 13:18:36 I see there is a release branch for 15.0 now! only a few more weeks until its released! 13:18:47 Can't access 60% of websites now due to that 13:19:48 :/ 13:20:07 dont run cloudflare kids! 13:20:09 wait 13:20:14 JetpackJackson: are you the same from XMPP? 13:20:26 Yeah 13:20:32 Didn't know you were here lol 13:20:39 It's making easy for hackers to get down most of web by just hacking one serivce 13:20:48 I literally talk about BSD endlessly, where do you think I would be :P 13:21:01 Lol true 13:21:11 JetpackJackson: whats brings you here 13:21:15 Retrofan: its worse than that 13:21:28 CF decrypts (and likely stores) all TLS packets 13:21:32 polarian: wanted to try FreeBSD lol 13:21:37 well, welcome! 13:21:40 It's fun, I'm enjoying it 13:21:42 Thank you 13:21:48 heh leaked data XD 13:22:24 cloudflare sucks 13:22:36 So everyone who uses cloudflare, think of all those financial transactions cloudflare can see 13:22:41 they literally know everything about you :) 13:22:56 my infrastructure is proudly hosted without CF 13:23:07 Nice 13:23:20 also I feel cloudflare has become big out of the fear of DDOS 13:23:27 but big botnets have taken out cloudflare before xD 13:23:42 I am using CF to prevent another hack of my server :( 13:24:08 Retrofan: sarcasm? 13:24:09 https://www.reddit.com/r/CloudFlare/comments/1p0abms/the_entire_internet_lol/ (: 13:24:56 No 13:25:05 no worries, FreeBSD is still cloud-free 13:25:18 I don't know how to stop hacks of my servers 13:25:21 they are huge 13:25:55 have you been pwned ? 13:25:59 and I am using linode which they got attacked few days ago 13:26:02 JetpackJackson: if you want to hang out with some BSD folks (across all 3) checkout #bsdcafe which is now bridged to the bsdcafe matrix 13:26:05 its a cool community 13:26:30 mzar: would explain why the ports take weeks to hit repos 13:26:32 lol 13:26:35 Oh cool, thanks! 13:26:54 I think hackers are targeting India and west Asia 13:27:02 polarian: they hit just in time ;-p 13:27:03 mage: yeah looks about right 13:27:34 many AI datacenters are there 13:27:44 where ? 13:28:05 you have to fence them Retrofan 13:29:11 and in 8 Nov most of Indian datacenters was down 13:29:12 now, when LLMs are idling , we are saving about 1.5% of the global electricty 13:29:22 Yeah good 13:29:26 and saving water 13:29:35 prbobably too 13:30:06 Retrofan: cf is a phacking traitor 13:30:39 it opens the backdoor for google to crawl the site but lock the thing down for the rest of us 13:31:40 it's "technology" is of no big deal. any site admin with any technical skillset knows how to make something like that. 13:31:46 its8 13:31:48 its* 13:51:06 OMG Cloudflare. I need to think it better. Cloudflare is down so my sites are down. It can be a simple fix only if I was able to access the dashboard and disable the protection. But hey, dashboard is down (: 13:51:44 I guess I can turn off the protection via API, but guess where are those API keys? My fault. 13:58:04 Capio|Yaazkal: https://enigma.m2m.pm/cf.png 13:58:27 armin: oops 14:07:26 A big shout out to the folks at Fastly for providing a fast and reliable connection for me to download FreeBSD with today 14:14:03 Hi there, have anyone tried www/ladybird browser ? 14:17:13 zip, indeed. I for one am long accustomed to fast, reliable, and unlimited interenet (although it may change any time), and have forgotten it is not everywhere the case. 14:23:02 ant-x: first internet i had was a 14.4 modem connection later upgraded to 33.6 and then 56k 14:23:23 downloading freebsd then going to bed then gambling if it finished or not 14:23:28 was always a pain :) 14:25:27 hmm has anyone here used platformio on freebsd? i can compile a blink example for the nano but not a hackpack code that uses a library. i used trombik's toolchain github repo to get it to work so im confused why platformio is only sort of half working? like i can compile the code fine on linux so i know its compileable 14:26:49 god, memories of downloading 100mb worth of slackware floppy disk images over dial-up 14:27:18 JetpackJackson: just because it compiles doesn't mean it works 14:27:20 zip: :) 14:27:24 cpet, mine was formally and nominally 56 kbs, but in practice it hardly reached 30-40. 14:27:29 Capio|Yaazkal: The API would also be down 14:27:43 cpet, download managers to the rescue, e.g. Reget. 14:27:46 cpet: true 14:27:53 ant-x: DSL was the same way if you had a noisy line DSL sucked 14:27:55 I guess I'll figure out bhyve today 14:28:25 ive only played with Arduino IDE 14:28:47 JetpackJackson: could use the linux version with linux emu or the windows client with wine 14:29:05 installing a VM for 1 program seems over board to me 14:29:41 Alright 14:31:06 cpet, yet people seem to be routinely running single program in containers. 14:31:08 actually it's python so as long as all the modules are installed it should work with little mods 14:31:22 ant-x: and interestly enough docker has no maintainer :) 14:31:53 Wow! 14:32:13 why use docker when you can use OCI 14:33:12 JetpackJackson: does this run on top of VSCode ? 14:33:29 Idk I'm just using the cli 14:34:56 It's built on top of Microsoft's Visual Studio Code – free, open source, and MIT licensed editor 14:35:01 oh screw that then hah 15:07:22 Oh the arduino IDE 15:08:50 oh, the entire net went down .... 15:31:34 cpet: I have DSL :) 15:31:40 works fine, better than the coax in the area 15:31:43 but im lucky :) 15:31:51 well lucky DSL wise, not with the fibre postcode lottery 15:32:24 nerozero: nah just cloudflare 15:33:04 @polarian, look logs 20 min ago 15:33:32 > Hi there, have anyone tried www/ladybird browser ? 15:33:33 CloudFlare having a bad day. 15:33:34 ? 15:34:07 CrtxReavr, yeah, 3 hours down 15:34:45 https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/ 15:35:09 polarian, like 30-50 people disconnected in 2 sec 15:35:54 cloudflare ruined normies lives today 15:36:24 Odysee was down too 15:37:38 so did docker 15:38:39 I was thrilled to not be stuck on DSL anymore. I paid for "fiber" and it was 50 megabit VDSL to an exchange in the neighborhood. 15:39:38 well, it was 50 megabits *after* arguing with the ISP for multiple weeks that when their modem was showing me right in the logs that it was only getting a 10 megabit pipe down, it was a problem on their end, not on mine 15:40:24 but they refused to investigate until they sent a tech out. the tech did 15 seconds of tests and then corrected the error on their end. 15:40:30 ph@ck CrtxReavr CF 15:40:54 it's turning the internet into "an App" 15:41:30 hodapp: a tale as old as time 15:41:54 imagine doing exactly the same thing as AWS cloudfront but running it as the business of a company 15:42:08 lame is the right word 15:42:10 but luckily have actual fiber now! and I left the coax line in place, in case I gotta switch 15:42:20 Then again I have seen some of the reports normal users send in to friends in the buissnes 15:53:12 coax corrodes. . . it's just a matter of when, not if the ability to carry a viable signal will degrade. 16:05:25 CrtxReavr: what kind of time-scale are we talking, though? 16:06:03 Let's see. . . 16:07:12 I had cable internet between 2000 & 2020. . . had to get the coax between the curb and the side of the house replaced at least twice. 16:07:38 Plus, there was multple service calls where they could just cut ~10cm off the ends and re-crimp. 16:08:02 cd .. 16:08:09 I do remember adsl over string 16:08:13 https://www.revk.uk/2017/12/its-official-adsl-works-over-wet-string.html 16:08:27 ah, there it went my cd.. 16:09:01 Could be worse, it wasn't sudo... 16:09:50 I still very much remember my worst typo ever. . . and it wasn't even as root. 16:10:35 I was in my homedir, and I meant to type something like 'rm abc*' but instead typed 'rm abc *'. 16:14:51 I just remember this down that big on CloudFlare since using it (many years). But unfortunatelly I can't thing of an strategy if this happens again. I mean, I have domain registered, DNS and proxy with them. Maybe registering the domain elsewere and having the change to change NS server if it happens again. Unless there is no way. 16:15:05 s/thing/think 16:27:55 hodapp, this photo amuses me: https://trioptimum.com/~crtxreavr/tmp/3gen.jpg 16:28:21 It represents four generations of Internet connectivity in my neighborhood. 16:29:51 From left to right, POTS (sorta) for dial-up & iDSL, Time-Warner/Spectrum cable, & Google Fiber. 16:31:31 CrtxReavr: supposedly(tm) we will get AT&T Fiber around here soon. I haven't gotten any clue on whether they're running their own fiber (which seems unlikely) or reusing the existing fiber that the other big ISP already owns (which also seems unlikely) 16:31:47 or using coax and going "LOOK IT'S FIBER" 16:33:35 CrtxReavr - is (your?) dog about to comment about your neighborhood's internet connectivity? 16:34:27 my cat has definitely sampled the internet connectivity sometimes 16:34:31 by chewing on cables mostly 16:34:45 comment about or "comment" on? 16:35:12 yes :-) 17:13:35 Hmm I think I can use platformio to download libraries that I can then put into /usr/local per https://wiki.freebsd.org/Arduino 17:29:47 daddoo, I don't think she (the dog) ever chewed on network cables, but she went through a phase where she chewed the shit out of several power adapters. 17:30:51 ouch 17:49:09 This might be a dumb question, but how do I run programs in a rocky Linux chroot? Like I can't seem to install things in the chroot to run 17:58:20 you need enough of an operating system for it to work 18:01:55 I thought that's what the rocky Linux package did 18:02:41 Like I did chroot /compat/linux /bin/bash and theres barely anything there 18:05:14 hm. you've got your linux proc and sys filesystems mounted? 18:06:59 oh hang on – I'm misunderstanding your problem a little. You've got bash running fine but it's other software you need now? 18:25:32 Correct 18:25:43 Like I can't even find a package manager lol 18:25:47 In the chroot 18:26:58 For Rocky Linux 18:38:10 Hmm I got an Ubuntu jammy chroot working 18:38:17 So thats nice 18:38:27 I wonder if Theres a way to use arch instead 19:25:25 JetpackJackson: create a Linux jail 19:25:30 JetpackJackson: https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails 19:37:55 Is there a debootstrap script for arch? 19:38:53 nope 19:38:59 Darn 19:39:21 Well at least I got platformio working on the Ubuntu chroot 19:39:32 if you are picky on the linux distro then install in bhyve if youre like me and just want x to run debian it is 19:40:43 Oh 19:40:44 Ok 19:41:11 as I think ports only has redhat9 as the default linux emu in ports 19:41:50 cent os 7 or redhat 9 19:42:28 I just realized its pronounced "beehive" and not "bye-vuh"... 19:42:33 Ah 19:42:50 Idk if this laptop is beefy enough for virtualization 19:43:46 seeing how you basically compile the OS when you install arch 19:43:51 i dont think that would work 19:44:12 linux.mk does mention rocky linux as well 19:44:50 heh cent os 7 is deprecated so the only option is rh9 19:45:59 I thought Arch was all binaries. Gentoo is compiled. 19:46:23 Yeah arch is binary except for the AUR 19:47:06 void linux is both, its similar to FreeBSD in that manner. you can build the world and all packages, or just download binaries from a mirror 19:47:24 void linux is 11.3 silly little guys in a trenchcoat 19:47:43 ive used it for a long time now, heh 19:48:07 i remeber i compiled the kernel as I installed it 19:48:16 but this was 2005ish 19:49:25 the only linux I use is endeaver and virtualbox to run windows 11 for school as bhyve had issues with tpm 19:49:44 to run this fingerprint comparing app 19:49:44 ah, tpm. bleh 19:49:59 which later runs in wine 19:50:13 but since I have 2 extra 1 tb ssd's i install that on one 19:50:18 Hmm why did my disk usage suddenly increase 19:50:42 jails are big 19:51:05 Yazi?? Why does yazi pull in all of noto-fonts and zoxide? 19:51:14 Those are optional deps 19:51:35 interesting how my first computer had a 2GB drive 19:51:45 these days you can get a 4tb drive for about 100 bucks 19:51:56 and people still get annoyed when an extra 100 megs of packages are installed 19:51:57 heh 19:52:10 In this case its 6gb 19:52:42 tank/ROOT/default 820G 15G 805G 2% / 19:52:50 On arch it depends on just gcc-libs and nerd-fonts-symbols 19:52:50 i will never fill up those 820G 19:53:20 but its a z2 with 4 disk so disk io is nice and speedy 19:54:13 JetpackJackson: you could compile your port using portmaster and change the options 19:56:41 I should share my pool size when I get home :D 19:56:43 AUXTOOLS can be disabled 19:57:57 but on a side note if you are runing freebsd in cli learn the cli dont use something that compares to midnight commander 20:12:00 cpet: oh ok 20:16:31 JetpackJackson: sadly with pkg's you can't please everyone but thats the nice thing about poudriere and portmaster 20:16:35 just takes longer 20:59:14 Hmm OK the thing is that nerd-fonts installs all the fonts but I just want symbols 20:59:21 Idk I'll play with it later 21:07:04 JetpackJackson: what exactly are the symbols ? 21:38:52 cpet: font symbols 21:39:13 Hmm how can I tell poudriere to get the quarterly branch 21:39:44 use separate ports tree 21:40:21 Im only setting up one tree 21:40:29 OK 21:41:07 so switch the branch 21:41:11 How 21:41:51 https://git-scm.com/docs/git-switch 21:41:56 deconfed, "lscpu". Thanks, my lscpu dump is here: . powerd fails to start with: "no cpufreq(4) support -- aborting: No such file or directory" . The man page for cpufreq is in section 4 and documents a C API, listing several frequence drivers, including p4tcc -- Pentium 4 Thermal Control Circuitry. How can I make sure whether my CPU supports this (or any other throttling method), and if it does, how can I use it in FreeBSD? 21:42:59 ant-x: that's 32-bit CPU 21:43:06 Yes. 21:43:30 mzar: I mean via poudriere but ill try that 21:44:04 pourdiere is only a factory JetpackJackson 21:45:48 my shift is over, Good Night 21:46:29 g'night, mzar. 21:54:39 ant-x: if it was supported than probably best version to test would be =< 10.0-RELEASE 21:56:27 Ouch. At this stage, I'd rather get a better fan and cut down its powersupply with a series resistor for added silence. 21:57:03 When a new FreeBSD release is coming out, how are the administrator informed which parts of their hardware are no longer supported? 21:58:44 If FreeBSD supported my CPU circa version 10, why would 14 not support it, if still has a i386 build? 22:01:04 Release notes. 22:02:11 ha.. that's hard to answer, the only answer that comes to mind is: panta rhei 22:02:34 maybe you can try booting NetBSD ? 22:03:11 Sure I can, only I don't like switching OSes as sight of problems -- teach me bad habits, and drains my energy. 22:03:34 mzar, why did you mentioned NetBSD in particular? 22:04:45 A totally different question: if I got me a free third-level domain name, and a static IP on my router, what are my next steps in establishing a web server -- set up some name server, such as bind? 22:05:10 ant-x: I thing the right answer is: you neglected it, instead of running FreeBSD on this laptop and reporting issues you skipped this part and guys removed, or rather changed the lines of code your equipment was realying on 22:05:21 so it's your fault 22:05:40 s/thing/think 22:05:52 When did this happend, I assmebled and started this ancient computer just a few days ago! 22:05:54 yeap 22:06:01 hello cpet 22:06:33 you have to proceed with this troubleshooting further, my shift is over, bye 22:06:43 It nice to hear, however, that the devs may be paying head to the users of FreeBSD on old hardware. 22:07:10 g'night. 22:07:26 you cant expect software to work for everything forever 22:08:08 especially when you can run 32bit apps on 64bit as well as compile 32 bit apps on 64 bit 22:09:43 Ports reminds me of when I ran gentoo 22:09:54 gentoo got ports from freebsd 22:10:00 Indeed. But I had the impressions *nix was often used to bring old hardware back to life. This can't last forever, of course. 22:10:06 think the poriginal dev had some issues and created gentoo 22:10:09 or some damn thing ? 22:10:23 ant-x: thats why we have netbsd 22:10:44 cpet, is NetBSD more compatible with old hardware? 22:10:50 yeap 22:11:08 Thanks, mzar and cpet for bringing NetBSD to my attention. 22:11:44 Chancec are I'll migrate my stuff to NetBSD in good time. 22:12:21 we use netbsd's bmake as well as blocklistd and some other stuff so 22:12:48 programs originally developed on/for NetBSD? 22:12:57 yeap 22:13:15 the BSD's actually share quit a bit of code 22:13:21 a lot of wifi drivers come from openbsd 22:13:40 Still do, after no many years since the forking out from BSD? 22:15:03 i have a copy of 386bsd on my ftp thats interesting to read 22:15:32 Hmm I might need to make a portfor the symbols font and then modify yazi to use it 22:16:24 cpet, read the source? 22:16:34 yeah 22:16:38 Idk I'll think about it. I dont want to get too crazy with configuring ports cause I did that with gentoo 22:16:50 What is the lightest and smallest name server available on FreeBSD? 22:17:32 as in authoritative DNS server, I mean. 22:18:05 ant-x: nsd 22:18:40 Interesting. From the docs it seems that bind was the original FreeBSD name server. 22:18:57 once upon a time it was included 22:19:05 now its been replaced by unbound 22:19:08 which never works for me 22:19:38 due to my old school mindset I still install bind-tools 22:20:18 But is unbound meant for authoritative use? 22:20:28 no its just a resolver 22:20:53 but unbound is on my list like pulse audio is 22:20:59 kill it with fire and dont use it 22:22:09 now I am unsure if you remove unbound will it affect resolinvg with resolv.conf as I think thats done with libc 22:22:22 but I dont want to brake my system so I kept it if not I would of removed it from base 22:23:13 apparently you can 22:25:01 ant-x: most people use 3rd party DNS that makes unbound useless in my opinion, my ISP moved form there own DNS to google's but they still allow old DNS for biz users 22:25:32 And nsd is authoritative only. It is required for hosting one's own domain. Do I understand correctly that a recusive name server is not required for that, as the client will be using their own recursive DNS servers to get the my IP from my domain? 22:25:58 no 22:26:24