00:23:54 hate to say it but it just seems like some faulty hardware that fbsd isn't able to work with 00:47:40 Macer: ya i think its time to give up and go back to linux 00:48:18 debian worked perfect 00:53:01 yeah... i coudln't find a way to save my life to get fbsd working on my ancient A10 and it had similar types of issues... just bad hardware for it heh 00:56:51 I finally figured out that the USB ethernet mode on the pi zero w only works with a cdcem interface, not cdce. No idea why. Oh well, it has bash on it now and I'm saved from using ppp over a 115200 baud connection 00:57:36 so I don't get a serial port, RIP 00:58:20 question now is whether it's quite beefy enough to run unbound and an advert blocklist, which is what it was doing before in its previous life as a pi.hole instance 00:58:33 (very badly, needed rebooting regularly...) 01:01:59 ......then again I didn't need to do that on the host side. I wonder if it's mandatory on the gadget side, or if it's needed on exactly one side. it'd be handy to have a serial port in addition to ethernet, but not mandatory. I suppose I could run telnet on the local IP only, so I don't have to wait forever for the wee sucker to do the cryptography maths 01:02:31 oh god, I'm so sorry ether_net, I understand your pain all too well with the spurious pings 02:17:37 nomia: or could file a bug 02:17:40 but hell of a issue 02:17:55 disk controller is fucky? 02:17:57 hw is totally fun in general too 02:18:08 part of it is manufs being so uptight 02:18:17 no idea who saw it 12:50:28 interestingly I couldn't get cdc_eem to play nice with linux. seeing as this is a low-power device with low bandwidth requirements I'm half tempted to just set 'er up with ppp 12:50:57 something I have not had to configure since approximately 2002 12:56:00 I was hand-rolling site-to-site VPNs with PPP over ssh until around 2010 I think. 13:02:19 I had a little slackware machine that must have had about 1GB of hard drive and 128 or 256mb of RAM, and someone had given me a couple of old network cards 13:03:22 so my first network was a 10base2 ethernet connection between a window 98 desktop and a parallel port ethernet adapter, and then the slackware machine would dial-on-demand for the internet. That way I could be on irc or talkers while my parents were on the computer 13:03:23 CrtxReavr: that's pretty hardcore lol 13:04:01 eventually the magic smoke went out of the parallel port adapter and I got my hands on a newer pentium that could handle a pcmcia card, finally upgrading me to thin ethernet 13:04:22 or is 10base2 thin, I don't remmeber? either way 10mbps on an rj45 13:07:02 10base2 is coax 13:07:15 yup, the first one was coax 13:07:35 man, I loved the hell out of that little machine 13:08:05 my first linux install involved about three floppy disks in a loop as I slooooowly put slackware on it 13:09:24 after a while I got familiar enough that I could use a boot disk and root disk to get it up and running, and then I'd set up the hard disk from there and then leave it running at 115200 baud overnight to shift the install zip over the wire, then finish in the morning 13:09:26 this was apparently fun 13:23:21 RJ45 connector is 10baseT. 13:26:33 ah, there we go 13:26:43 I'm getting old 13:33:46 were you using arcnet too zip ? 13:33:58 nope 13:34:20 not quite that old 13:34:27 OK 14:30:07 well, I've discovered why the pi zero doesn't like to ssh, and that's because whatever the heck it's doing is nuking the entire network connection for the duration 14:30:29 also, turns out telnet has opportunistic encryption these days? neat 14:34:08 My suspicion is that it's browning out the power and that's why this thing would sometimes hard crash in its previous life as a pi hole 14:34:19 The lesson is probably that arm-based SBCs are shit 14:34:42 Especially ones from the bottom of the box of parts 14:35:08 zip: have you fried one? 14:35:46 An sbc? Not yet 14:35:57 OK 14:37:33 (telnet as such shouldn't have an encryption. blame the client maybe?) 14:37:57 (and server) 14:38:08 Yup. The FreeBSD edition has it 14:38:26 It's not much use against a spoofed server but it's better than nothing 14:38:48 In any case nobody's going to sniff a 10cm usb Ethernet cable so I'm relatively confident that telnet is appropriate here 14:39:11 Well, usb cable to a machine playing at being an Ethernet gadget 14:39:45 the encryption can be suppressed but not sure if the server in question likes that 14:40:53 It's not really material to this project , I just thought it was neat 14:41:43 Excuse me, but I just think you could help me. I forgot password on my LAN router. I would to restore that. 14:41:45 Anyway I think I'm happy to conclude that arm6 isn't even worth bothering with. It's a shame, as it'd be nice to have a useful low-power machine that only needs to be smart enough to run unbound and a blocklist 14:42:03 FreeBSD telenet client and server supported SSL IIRC 14:42:24 AFAIR telnetd is no longer part of the base system 14:42:47 Because my question is some of offtopic, you may write DM to me. 14:42:56 why so ? 14:43:08 It's a shame to just throw out old hardware, but there's really nothing out there that's as cost-effective as an mini pc that a business is replacing when it comes to bang for your buck 14:44:12 WildTuna: is your LAN router running FreeBSD and does it have a serial port and/or keyboard/display ports? 14:44:25 WildTuna: you have to fix it, reset your router, if required, or use it as is, without password 14:44:54 WildTuna: what is the FreeBSD release you are running over there ? 14:45:26 zip: D-Link. As I know it's not FreeBSD. 14:45:38 If it's a consumer router there's probably a sticker or a card with a factory password on it , unless you've changed it 14:46:05 zip: got it. I gonna check it 14:46:05 WildTuna: I bet your router got compromised, that's not forgotten password 14:46:21 WildTuna: are you a FreeBSD user ? 14:46:40 My router was turned off for a long time. 14:47:15 went back online and got compromised, it happens 14:47:20 If you're not married to the configuration you can probably Google how to reset it, but it won't know the password for your Internet uplink etc 14:47:53 you should run FreeBSD on router to avoid such clashes in the future WildTuna 14:48:41 Unless it's arm6 hardware in which case I wouldn't recommend that 15:00:19 zip: IIRC arm6 is no longer supported, only arm7 15:02:24 Mostly correct. See https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ . 15:06:42 Yeah, it's 13.5 15:35:11 opnsense is pretty neat imo 15:41:40 zip: mini-PCs are cheap sure, but they're not very robust at all 16:12:34 my router is a celeron J4125 nuc 16:12:50 seems to handle the gbit connection just fine 16:28:44 Koston: more robust than a pi, at least 16:29:14 I don't much need robust for my tinkering projects but that's something to consider as I set up the mini pc as a NAS 17:30:50 I cannot back this up with any meaningful data, but it feels like mini PC quality has gone down since Soekris / PCEngines era 17:53:21 It all depends upon the vendor of the mini-PC. I have four Zima Boards and they are very good. I have one cheap no-name mini and it overheats. 17:54:27 HP EliteDesk user here. It's very nice. 17:54:57 Used Thin clients are also quite cheap and still reliable. 18:02:46 mine's an HP EliteDesk too 18:05:58 my experience is mostly with the Intel NUCs, I guess 19:18:51 this might be a peculiar question but are there long time linux users who switched to FreeBSD recently?:D I'm curious on the reasons and potential pitfalls, i'm currently considering testing freebsd out in a VM environment 19:26:11 why would they switch ? 19:28:32 it's the same as asking if there are users who switched from FreeBSD to Linux after 20+ years of using FreeBSD - I don't know any such 19:35:27 I've been using Linux for two years after decades of using Windows and I'm now also running GhostBSD, based on FreeBSD, on one of my older PCs just because I was curious about it. I wouldn't call that switching, since my main machines all run Linux Mint though. 19:39:41 ugh. i need to put ram into the nas but i forgot i have the pvr recording something to it. 19:39:49 it's almost fbsd 15 release day 19:40:03 I guess I switched my server, one of them, to FreeBSD back ~10 years ago 19:40:08 but I use both FreeBSD & Linux 20:42:13 I've not switched so much as I've added FreeBSD to the roster of things I play with 20:59:46 after I havet installed chromium-141 how can I enable widewine support ? 20:59:54 someone planked a freebsd seed in my brain while I was sleeping a few weeks ago... what's wrong with you people? Now I am on this channel flirting with the idea to play with freebsd myself :-/ 21:04:35 nwe: https://www.freshports.org/www/foreign-cdm 21:10:07 alrighty. i put the 128GB of ECC DDR3 i had in my old 1u into the 4u fbsd nas... always good to have more ram :) 21:10:31 nxjoseph: hmm but I have installed both chromium and foreign-cdm package and compile linux-widevine-cdm, is it something more I need todo? 21:10:34 i'm totally loving the sol ipmi 21:10:38 it really helps 21:15:21 yay now itś working :) 21:18:27 does that mean you can use atsc 3.0? lol 21:32:36 Macer, Having a remote console is awesome! :-) 21:47:19 yeah it is :D 21:47:44 it was driving me crazy. like how on earth does it just get obsoleted like that? that should be something that is foreverproof 21:48:08 java... the universal language :/ 21:48:39 i'm waiting to see if arc goes over 32GB 21:48:55 i'm curious if it's 32GB min because that's what it started at and i set a max of 64GB 21:52:22 Java. Write once. Crash everywhere! :-) 21:54:35 I always see people complaining about ARC sizes but I never have any problem with it. I don't know what is different but ARC always grows and shrinks dynamically for me. It never causes me any problems. 21:55:08 Firefox on the other hand can often be a pig. It's not unusual for me to need to exit and restart firefox in order to shrink it's piggy memory size. 21:55:42 ah. i thought fbsd sort of changed the way arc was working 21:55:53 where it was some weird this or that for fbsd 15 21:56:03 50% or some amount maybe? 21:56:15 ARC is a ZFS thing. And until recently FreeBSD has been the major ZFS development platform. 21:56:48 Now that it is OpenZFS and the GNU/Linux world has discovered ZFS the major development (thrash I call it) is happening there now. But it used to be here. 21:57:36 So up until the linux folks discovered the joys of zfs none of the linux systems had an ARC. They all had similar Linux kernel file system buffer cache though and it is also adaptive there too. 21:58:21 The default is all RAM but 1 GB, or 5/8 of all RAM, whichever is more. 21:58:41 ah maybe it was proxmox that got super conservative about it 22:06:31 As far as I can tell from searching the default maximum ARC size is half of total RAM. So on my 32 GB RAM system half of that would be 16 GB as a maximum amount. Looking I see it is currently using 3.25 GB right now, because the system is basically idle. 22:14:31 nwe: afaik, the linux rc service must be running 22:47:16 Macer: "the default maximum ARC size is half of total RAM" - where is it derived from ? 23:18:38 mzar: the handbook? 23:19:05 it is all but 1GB or 5/8 of all ram according to the handbook 23:19:23 5/8 is slightly > than 1/2 though 23:20:00 hm. i'm kind of wondering why my arc setting in loader.conf isn't taking 23:23:03 oh 23:23:08 that's sysctl.conf doh