01:20:12 <kerneldove> how can i profile a rust binary to see where it's doing its work? for optimizing
01:40:05 <kerneldove> does valgrind run breddy good on freebsd?
02:07:44 <jozan> i didnt have any problem with it
03:16:14 <rtprio> kerneldove: that's more of a rust question than a freebsd one
06:34:55 <Hund> Where is the global zshenv file located in FreeBSD?
06:35:56 <ivy> Hund: /usr/local/etc/zshenv, unless you selected the option when building shells/zsh to put it in /etc
06:36:18 <luke_sb> it's usually user-bounded
06:36:38 <luke_sb> csh is set for root and i personally don't like touch that
06:36:50 <luke_sb> just do all in csh in case of root
06:37:05 <ivy> root's shell has been /bin/sh since 13.0
06:37:15 <ivy> although if you want to keep it as /bin/csh, that's obviously fine
06:37:27 <luke_sb> why have i done in csh
06:37:57 <Hund> ivy: Hm. I must have done some sort of typo. I tried that path, but it didn't work, and now.. it works. :D
06:38:10 <luke_sb> oh 13
06:38:23 <Hund> I never change the shell for root. :)
06:38:40 <luke_sb> (proud)
13:13:08 <roccosano> is it possible to set epoch date on /usr/src/release/amd64/mkisoimages.sh ?
15:18:07 <Arceus> Hey!
15:18:19 <Arceus> I want to run a secure and private system
15:18:56 <Arceus> I was thinking about using FreeBSD as my main OS and then virtualizing Arch and Windows, where I could do my main work
15:19:17 <Arceus> anyone have experience with virtualizing Arch on FreeBSD? Is it stable enough?
15:29:01 <rtprio> not sure how running a secure, private system with a windows vm keeps it secure and private
15:29:25 <rtprio> but i've virtualized both linux and windows using bhyve and both were exceedingly stable
15:31:58 <Arceus> Well by virtualising Windows I would sandbox it in a way right?
15:33:00 <Arceus> And especially on a FreeBSD system, where additionally (if I am not mistaken, I am a complete FreeBSD newbie so correct me if I am wrong) everything is containerised with jails
15:33:36 <Arceus> I need to use Windows for work at times since I work in automation and a majority of the software runs on Windows
15:52:58 <rtprio> no, everything is not containerized in jails, unless you containerize it in jails or other means
15:53:51 <rtprio> how do you plan on connecting to this windows? rdp? perhaps you should test the latiency before making any broad decisions
16:06:14 <Arceus> Well I was thinking about doing all my work on the Windows VM through for example bhyve
16:06:37 <Arceus> I'm not sure how USB and other peripheral passthrough would work though (or if it even would)
16:06:48 <Arceus> that is why I am asking beforehand for opinions
16:07:23 <Arceus> Also I would be interested to know how well RDP works on FreeBSD to Windows
16:07:34 <Arceus> if anyone has experimented beforehand
16:07:53 <rtprio> why don't you just try it and see for yourself
16:08:20 <rtprio> there's no usb passthrough or other peripherial unless you lock the entire pci id to the VM
16:10:34 <Arceus> I am planning to, but again, I am just trying to see if anyone else has done it before as well
16:10:56 <Arceus> How would I lock the PCI ID to the VM? Is it possible?
16:12:56 <rtprio> https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve/pci_passthru
16:13:22 <Arceus> thx!
16:58:47 <mason> Hrm. What is libsys? Just saw the recent advisory, and a system library seems like a move away from portability, depending on what it is. Without knowing more, it reminds me of libelogind0.
18:40:31 <phlux2> Does anyone know why my userland and kernel would be at different patch levels for 14.3-RELEASE?
19:02:53 <psychonate> Was it a fresh install or an upgrade? If upgrade, how did you upgrade?
19:12:24 <phlux> I upgraded using freebsd-upgrade from 13.3. I ended up with -p4 for my userland and -p3 for my kernel.
19:12:44 <phlux> Err, freebsd-update rather
19:12:44 <Macer> Didn’t reboot after kernel update?
19:12:51 <phlux> I did :\
19:13:03 <phlux> Now it says there are no updates, so I'm kind of at a loss
19:14:31 <Macer> freebsd-version -k and uname -a don’t match?
19:15:09 <Macer> You sure you don’t have some beadm weirdness going on?
19:15:14 <phlux> They do, but ``freebsd-version -k`` and ``freebsd-version -u`` should match, no?
19:18:09 <psychonate> I don't think the userland and kernel -p# always match when you're using binary updates. I think that depends on whether the most recent binary updated was for just the kernel, just the userland, or for both.
19:18:28 <psychonate> s/updated/update/
19:18:48 <phlux> Interesting...so it's OK that the userland and kernel are at different patch levels?
19:18:52 <Macer> Would the pkg-static thing do the trick?
19:19:35 <psychonate> I can check my older laptop in a while. I still use binary updates on it.
19:19:49 <psychonate> And it's also at 14.3 release, so I can compare.
19:19:55 <Macer> pkg-static upgrade -f is usually used for major updates though isn’t it?
19:21:54 <phlux> that just reinstall pkg-2.2.2 for me
19:21:58 <phlux> reinstalls, rather
19:22:31 <Retrofan> Hi guys
19:24:25 <sd0> phlux: freebsd-version(1): "... freebsd-update(8), which does not update the kernel version unless the kernel itself was affected by the latest patch."
19:24:57 <psychonate> Nice, there you go.
19:26:03 <phlux> Ahh, thanks y'all :)
19:28:04 <psychonate> I'm glad you asked, because I hadn't updated to -p4 yet on that old laptop, so I'll do that now.
19:31:27 <psychonate> Yeah, when I do the 'freebsd-update fetch', it shows what will be updated. For the -4 update, those files are all userland.
19:44:50 <phlux> It feels good to have a FreeBSD machine again. I'm a Linux Systems Engineer by day, so I haven't messed with FreeBSD too much since the 4.3 days :)
19:45:16 <phlux> Needed to rent a dedicated server for some personal projects and figured I'd get back to my roots.
19:53:44 <AmyMalik> :o
19:54:00 <Retrofan> I got the error!
19:54:09 <Retrofan> bge0: APE event 0x00020510 send timed out
19:54:29 <Retrofan> When just the pc starts up..
19:55:21 <Retrofan> Someone said that problem faced him on Openbsd..
19:55:28 <Retrofan> and no fix for it..
19:55:50 <Retrofan> "Argh, I gave up on it, used a completely different pc. I tried all combinations, new network cables, different switch to the modem/router, could not get anything to work. The pc itself works fine, it’s running FreeBSD with Fluxbox on just one network card, the original bge0.
19:55:51 <Retrofan> Funnily enough, the new pc still uses Broadcom nics, Everything works correctly.
19:55:54 <Retrofan> Thanks for replying though.
19:55:55 <Retrofan> "
19:56:28 <Retrofan> Very sad :(
20:01:03 <Retrofan> It's a bug..
20:12:58 <Remilia> V_PauAmma_V: ahaha, I said it was a NIC driver issue and it is
20:13:30 <Retrofan> This an unsolved bug in freebsd and openbsd
20:13:53 <Remilia> Broadcom NICs are somewhat blackboxy
20:14:46 <Retrofan> So what is the fix?
20:16:45 <Remilia> use a different NIC
20:16:56 <Retrofan> "Hello! I have installed OpenBSD on a HP Compaq Pro 6305 SFF, which has an integrated BCM5761 NIC. Although it is detected and shows up as interface bge0 (both in bsd.rd and the installed system), it doesn't seem to actually work - it does not get an ip address with dhcp and even if I assign ip addresses manually, it still doesn't work. "
20:17:31 <Retrofan> The fix "I updated both the BIOS and the NIC's firmware. It now works in both Windows and OpenBSD.
20:17:33 <Retrofan> In case someone has the same problem, here are the links to the updaters (note both of them extract a folder that contains the actual programs and the READMEs):"
20:17:52 <Retrofan> Looked like is updating
20:17:57 <Remilia> not a guaranteed fix
20:18:20 <Remilia> I try to avoid certain Intel NICs, all Broadcom NICs, and some Atheros for anything important
20:18:35 <Retrofan> He uses the same pc I use HP Compaq Pro 6305 SFF
20:19:02 <Remilia> what prevents you from trying the solution then o.o
20:19:11 <Retrofan> So I think it's the fix
20:19:31 <Retrofan> All those guys with this problem have the same PC
20:20:29 <Retrofan> I think we need to announce that on Freebsd wiki for HP Compaq Pro 6305 SFF
20:21:01 <Retrofan> Remilia: Could I run those updates on WINEHQ
20:21:11 <Retrofan> *can
20:28:16 <Remilia> I don't know
20:28:30 <Remilia> does wine allow direct hardware access?
20:32:41 <Retrofan> Remilia: I will search.. you know something, my internet is quota 140gb (which the least available) and it's too much for me. I monthly use under 9GB, so I was thinking about continue using my sim (It's more cheaper).
20:38:55 <aic> alias tun5G="ssh -C -D 127.0.0.1:40000 some-internet-ssh-server"
20:39:20 <aic> you can point your firefox to localhost port 40000 SOCKS5 proxy and all your traffic will be compressed to save gigabyte quota
20:41:03 <Retrofan> aicaic: Nice, but I am saying that 140GB is too much not too low (The most amount I ever I used was 20GB back in 2021)
20:41:42 <Retrofan> So good it will be good idea to switch to sim (cheaper)
20:42:23 <Retrofan> and they now want to remove 140GB option; to pay for more expensive ones like 200GB which the double the price
20:44:01 <Retrofan> aic: I think if done that I will use monthly only my 2gb which is the free amount in my subscription = Free internet!
20:47:40 <Retrofan> I am using Invidious which better than bloated youtube, and saves alot
21:04:59 <Retrofan> Back
21:05:37 <Retrofan> People using Winehq is a big NO
21:05:47 <Retrofan> *saying
21:13:19 <Retrofan> Also, guys try Invidious (if you didn't try it), It so customizable, no algorithm, just show the content of your subscriptions (and some other stuff).. But it's sadly now under attack from those crap called "AI", like my website :(
21:15:36 <jozan> invidious is nice yes, I use rss+mpv for youtube, this is gold
21:15:58 <Retrofan> Yeah I was think about that also
21:18:02 <Retrofan> I listen to really long videos (+2 hours) while working; so I am using it.. it saves a lot (nearly 3Gb/month)
21:18:19 <Retrofan> *uses
21:20:48 <Retrofan> I will Windows PE or Freedos for updating
21:20:51 <Retrofan> *use
21:21:13 <rtprio> why are you so concerned to save data?
21:21:36 <Retrofan> I think it's a good idea
21:21:55 <Retrofan> Which make now able to use only sim
21:22:21 <Retrofan> *me
21:22:35 <jozan> you use 5g internet?
21:22:41 <Retrofan> yeah
21:22:49 <Retrofan> It's alot
21:22:56 <Retrofan> on sim
21:24:08 <Retrofan> jozan: Just be away form bloated stuff, and you will same as I use.. This what the internet really designed for
21:26:14 <jozan> my personnal suckless war has started long ago and its going well
21:26:23 <jozan> but i do like a good fiber internet anyway
21:28:26 <rtprio> huh, the 5g providers here i believe are 'unlimited'
21:30:39 <Retrofan> 5g providers?
21:31:14 <Retrofan> I am saying I use only 5GB not my internet is 5GB (mine is 140GB)
21:33:41 <Retrofan> And I am paying a lot for nothing, so  using sim card now is better (Like paying for 15GB which I will use most them is better and cheaper, and keep the other subscription freezed until I want to run some kind of server or something needs a lot internet)
21:43:21 <wavefunction> Having a 2Gbit fiber internet connection (no limit) has, uh, ruined me. But my spouse works from home so it's necessary.
21:44:02 <jozan> wavefunction: how much does it cost in your currency?
21:44:45 <wavefunction> $95 USD / month
21:45:18 <Retrofan> Now this crazy O_o all the stuff I talked about near the smartphone that I got for few days, is now coming for me in recommendation on youtube, exactly the same I was saying
21:45:31 <wavefunction> I have dreams of going low- / off-grid for network, but cellular providers out here are garbage.
21:45:43 <jozan> i have the same 2G down / unlimited and its 50 EUR / month here
21:45:53 <Retrofan> Here is better than landline
21:46:15 <Retrofan> They are watching us XD
21:46:33 <wavefunction> jozan: Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about.
21:47:06 <Retrofan> I found many people talking about that but never believed
21:47:09 <wavefunction> Retrofan: As long as you have a NAS / local storage, go for it
21:47:19 <Retrofan> ?
21:47:26 <Retrofan> for sim?
21:48:05 <wavefunction> Retrofan: Yeah, I mean, you're not wasting anything. Being happy with smaller allotments means the providers have less of a hold over you
21:48:13 <Retrofan> Yeah I save nearly everything I need on my local storage
21:48:36 <Retrofan> I still have downloads from 2005
21:49:06 <jozan> download as much as you can and then never pay for internet anymore
21:50:12 <wavefunction> Retrofan: How big is your local storage, out of curiosity
21:53:09 <Retrofan> I think it's 2TB
21:53:31 <Retrofan> And it takes all I need
21:53:36 <wavefunction> Fantastic.
21:53:42 <wavefunction> I'm a little jealous.
21:54:08 <Retrofan> most of my files is just under 100kb
21:54:24 <Retrofan> So I store billions of them
22:25:29 <phlux> I'm kind of blown away at how much packages are used vs ports these days
22:25:33 <phlux> It used to be ports or nothing
22:26:15 <phlux> I know some things were available via pkg_add back in the day, but not everything iirc..
22:53:40 <TommyC> Lots of devoted (and more importantly, trusted) FreeBSD users building packages now-a-days.
23:40:10 <Macer> https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/issues/49
23:40:18 <Macer> so is this a thing for 15? arc support?
23:40:45 <Macer> it seems like it was merged
23:42:10 <Macer> and if so would transcoding work in jellyfin or plex?