09:46:33 hmmm 09:47:26 https://bpa.st/N2UZS 09:47:33 for some reason pf is not working within my jail? 09:47:54 it works within another one of my jails 09:47:57 this is really weird :/ 09:49:39 I am going to reinstall the jail and then see if I can reproduce this 10:09:09 polarian: different devfs ruleset on the other jail? 10:22:32 no? 10:23:46 well the error there definitely looks like /dev/pf is hidden by the ruleset 10:25:18 you dont need to expose /dev/pf to the jail 10:25:41 my other jail doesn't expose it 10:25:44 and it works just fine 10:28:26 I have "add path 'bpf* unhide" in my jail ruleset and pf works 10:29:25 the only other problem I remember having with pf in a jail is that the host hadn't loaded the kernel module yet, but since you say you have another jail that works, then I suspect that's not the problem 10:30:18 er, there should be a close quote around bpf* in that line above 11:52:59 Zerock: so it is a devfs issue but its confusing 11:53:26 so a blank devfs I believe means unhide everything and works 11:54:22 I think that's right 11:55:59 For pf to work in a vnet jail, you'd need "add path pf unhide" 11:57:46 divlamir: but for some reason I didnt with my other devfs ruleset 11:57:48 and it works 11:58:21 can you paste that ruleset? 12:06:18 wait I am fucking about with tihs 17:43:13 whats the thing to use nowadays for jail and vm management for freebsd? i tried out bastille and cbsd but something about them.. i was hoping there was an ncurses based management tool 19:26:10 Macer: For jails, I use bhyve-vm. For jails, I use iocage (although, I'm not sure how much longer that'll be around.) 19:26:24 Both are command-line management tools. 19:28:58 You mean for VMs you use bhyve-vm right? 19:29:28 I think iocage isn’t maintained anymore. 19:30:53 Still using ezjail... I considered changing to something else, but I'm worried that what I pick will just become deprecated too... 19:31:00 Bastille seemed like one of the better ones I tested out. Pretty straightforward for the most part. I think clonos is the only web manager 19:31:26 futune: I wondered the same thing. 19:32:05 iocage was typically the go to. I mean you can probably just use the jail command or just script / alias it which I think is what iocage (and most of them) do. 19:32:48 I think the jail command can get pretty convoluted. Not sure about bhyve but I seldom run VMs. 19:33:22 I would use the base jail commands, but I'm really liking thin jails and it seems like there would be a lot of overhead to consider to use thin jails with base alone 19:34:40 I’ve been considering migrating off proxmox to fbsd but I think I may have become too institutionalized . 19:35:58 for what it's worth cbsd was top of my list when I was considering a migration of jail management 19:36:11 you mentioned you tried it? How did it fall short? 19:36:22 Whoopsie-doodle! Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry. 19:37:10 cbsd is nice too but it’s kind of overkill going through it. Maybe if I could get rid of the extras like xen and strip it down to just jails and bhyve. There’s probably a really sane way to do that but I did t give it much time. 19:42:55 Macer: I migrated from Proxmox (from ESXi before that) to vm-byhve and it really wasn't much fuss. Depending on what VM's you run, it's pretty straight forward and easy. 20:34:26 inscrutable stuff: server load averages https://i.koumakan.jp/2025-09-27/1759004591.png where on Aug 14th I upgraded PHP from 8.4.10 to 8.4.12, with nothing in change logs suggesting anything related 20:34:35 I will never understand PHP 20:35:10 (MediaWiki was spending hundreds of milliseconds checking if a given thumbnail file exists, and somehow trashed ZFS ARC) 20:42:05 PHP is strange 20:50:46 I use mostly thick jail's with the included managment tools. 20:51:42 I'm right handed too. 20:56:15 ? 21:06:41 macer: i migrated from iocage to jail.conf pretty easily 21:06:58 the thin jails were a bit confusing though. snapshot and clone skullduggery 21:16:18 i took to using OccamBSD to make my jails smaller 21:19:11 I have a Thinkpad E595, and setxkbmap was showing my keyboard model as generic "pc105". Most of my function keys do nothing. I tried the "thinkpad," "thinkpad60", and "thinkpadz60" models, but still no luck with those extra function keys. I think those models are too much older than this one. Is there a quick and easy tool to, say, copy the pc105 config and add some extra keys? Just checking for an 21:19:17 easy option before I go down a rabbit hole. 21:19:43 a tool? for xkb? 21:20:13 if there is an answer for you, i'd love to know it too :) 21:20:46 I haven't looked at how xkb really works yet and the format of the files it looks at. That's what I meant by "go down a rabbit hole." But based on your answer, it sounds like I will be going down that hole. 21:38:20 It never occured to me to try and get those extra function keys working. I was just happy they did nothing in the event I accidentally pressed any of them. 21:40:34 I like to configure one of the function keys as a quick lock screen button. 21:40:51 I guess I could use some other key combo instead, but... I don't want to :) 21:44:55 Could you capture the keycode with xev and use, say, xmodmap to map it? 21:47:13 I think xkb will reset anything set with xmodmap, but I haven't had to mess with this much before, so I'm not sure. 21:49:36 When I used 'xev' with a function key that worked, I see a keycode when I press my "Fn" key, then another keycode when I also press the specific function key. But for this function key that doesn't work, 'xev' shows the keycode when I press "Fn" but does not show a keycode when I subsequently also press this other function key. 21:50:37 That's a non-starter, then 21:51:59 I think this function key may have been working with Gentoo, which is still on my other laptop drive. I may be able to boot to it and check and see if there are some xkb files I can copy to this FreeBSD install. 21:54:04 But given't that 'xev' didn't even show another key code, I'm not sure that will even work. I don't know enough about xkb quite yet. Slowly reading through docs.