05:29:46 <rwp> Me being a huge user of yank-last-arg keeps me on bash too. sh has /something/ I just don't know what it is. tcsh doesn't do it for me either. (root's shell is /bin/sh by default since 14.)
05:31:06 <rwp> I don't change root's shell but I do enable toor and change the toor shell to bash.  That allows me to keep root's shell entirely using base while I can still use a different shell from ports the rest of the time.
11:09:41 <polarian> weird question, is there anything a newbie contributor could do right now to contribute to freebsd
11:09:47 <polarian> anything that comes to mind for some people here?
11:10:50 <polarian> links welcome :)
11:16:06 <scottpedia> polarian: there is an /ideas page where you can find stuff to do.
11:16:14 <scottpedia> or you can submit your own ideas
11:16:18 <polarian> scottpedia: link?
11:16:21 <polarian> I think I have seen it before
11:16:26 <polarian> a lot of it is way too advanced for what I am able to do
11:16:37 <polarian> and also afaik they all go back years and years
11:16:38 <scottpedia> https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage
11:16:43 <polarian> is it even up to date?
11:16:54 <scottpedia> some of 'em
11:17:22 <scottpedia> how "newbie" are you?
11:25:49 <polarian> scottpedia: never contributed to kernel or userspace before :)
11:25:59 <polarian> wanted to get into it
11:26:23 <polarian> currently at EuroBSDCon and its made me wish I got into it...
11:26:37 <scottpedia> polarian: well i meant your skillset
11:27:01 <scottpedia> like you'd at least have to have experiences in c/c++ to do anything about the kernel and stuff
11:27:16 <polarian> I know C but its been quite a few years
11:27:23 <polarian> I am not too concerned about picking it up again
11:27:29 <scottpedia> okay alright
11:27:30 <polarian> I plan to do that anyways
11:27:37 <scottpedia> that sounds good
11:27:56 <scottpedia> then you are fine I think. I happen to have some ideas too.
11:28:00 <polarian> but I dont know how you go from writing high level stuff, to userspace/kernel stuff
11:28:02 <paulf> search https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/for open bugs that interest you
11:29:25 <paulf> you could also consider picking up an unmaintained port
11:30:10 <polarian> paulf: thought about it
11:30:12 <polarian> also thought about porting stuff
11:30:25 <polarian> but I have messed a lot with packaging on Linux (I know it differs on BSD but still)
11:30:47 <polarian> I am explicitly interested in getting into /src
11:30:57 <polarian> not quite sure how people do it
11:36:32 <divlamir> as suggested, look for stuff that needs work on bugs.f.o and the mailing lists and submit patches. simple
11:41:03 <divlamir> see what matches your domain and subscribe: https://lists.freebsd.org/
15:04:03 <CrtxReavr> polarian, the FreeBSD project has a strong system of coaching and mentorship for developers and contributors.
15:04:19 <polarian> CrtxReavr: yeah im allergic to people /j
15:04:27 <cyric> looking at the eurobsdcon picture, wonder why/where to they are shooting the openbsd :D
15:39:21 <LxGHTNxNG> i am also allergic to people
15:42:48 <polarian> arent we all :P
15:51:02 <LxGHTNxNG> no
17:48:29 <ivy_> polarian: find a random component of the system and write tests for it, our test coverage is pretty poor right now
18:16:40 <divlamir> Will it be possible to install the test suite with pkgbase, instead of recompiling with WITH_TESTS=yes ?
18:17:36 <ivy> divlamir: pkg install freebsd-tests
18:17:39 <kevans_> yes, tests are pretty much in the FreeBSD-tests package
18:17:41 <kevans_> bah
18:17:54 * kevans_ returns to his too-slow gopher hole
18:18:41 <ivy> divlamir: there's already a tests.txz set though, no need to recompile: https://download.freebsd.org/releases/powerpc/powerpc64le/14.3-RELEASE/
18:18:48 <ivy> i think the installer even offers to install it?
18:19:24 <divlamir> ok, yeah maybe, don't remember
20:42:04 <skered> 32-bit in 15 WILL BE removed right?
20:42:19 <skered> Or maybe it already happened in 14?
20:42:33 <darwin> i want 16-bit, 8-bit back
20:42:39 <darwin> should at least be extra options
20:42:44 <darwin> don't care if it's part of base
20:42:55 <ivy> skered: i386 will be removed in 15.0, 32-bit runtime libraries will still be provided
20:43:31 <skered> What's 32 bit status for 14?  It's down a tier but we still have pkg repos?
20:44:17 <skered> I was just going to thru a 13.5 machien and noticed the dep/15 message.
20:44:18 <skered> WARNING: 32-bit kernels are deprecated and may be removed in FreeBSD 15.0.
20:44:40 <ivy> i386 is tier 2 in 14: https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ which means support is provided on a best-effort basis
20:45:01 <skered> Ok that's what I thought.  Guess why this is still 13.5.
20:45:16 <skered> I was confused by the "may be".
20:45:27 <ivy> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#_tier_2_developmental_and_niche_architectures has more details on that
20:45:39 <ivy> this hasn't changed since 13, i386 was tier 2 there as well
20:46:09 <skered> umm maybe I'll get this to 14 then.. I thought 13 was 1.
20:48:25 <mzar> there were multiple regressions introduced to CURRENT recently, some of them was fixed or reverted, but some not
20:49:02 <mzar> so head up, if you want to run recent CURRENT
20:52:00 <skered> No need to worry.  That's why we have backups and test machines.
20:52:58 <mzar> OK
20:53:06 <skered> hah.
20:53:18 <rtprio> mzar: what sorts of regressions?
20:53:38 <mzar> multiple
20:54:20 <mzar> less people are now running CURRENT, we need packages for testers, but repos are empty
20:55:12 <ivy> 16.0 packages for amd64 should be available now
20:55:13 <mzar> so regressions are reported with delay, and when multiple regressions are involved, it's hard to fix them
20:56:34 <mzar> pkg: Repository FreeBSD-ports-kmods has a wrong packagesite, need to re-create database
20:58:36 <mzar> oh.. only kmods, thanks for the info ivy
21:05:08 <ivy> i don't know why kmods isn't there, i will ask bapt when he's around
21:05:22 <ivy> kmods is not very useful on -CURRENT though because __FreeBSD_version is constantly changing
21:10:47 <mzar> yep, useless, but was added
21:11:21 <mzar> we need brave committer who will remove -kmods repo from main branch
21:12:59 <mzar> ...from /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf on CURRENT
22:10:02 <skered> Are boot fscks checks logged any where?
22:10:13 <skered> Mainly ones that are because of a forced check